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Schools closed until February? (part 3)

  • 04-10-2020 10:56pm
    #1
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,496 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    ...no, not on September the 3rd (although for all I know they might have), it's the 3rd thread...
    1st thread
    2nd thread
    3rd thread

    Threadbans carry over

    Shouldn't need to say this, but unfortunately too many of you seem to ignore a very basic principle when posting - remain civil to each other, otherwise you will have posting privileges removed

    Mod:

    Can we not have the roundabout question of putting teachers on PUP every 10 pages or so please.

    You know the answer to the question so why bother asking it.

    What do you think should be done for midterms 393 votes

    One week closure
    57% 226 votes
    One week closure, one week online learning
    14% 56 votes
    Two week closure
    8% 33 votes
    Other
    19% 78 votes


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  • #2
    daheff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,898 ✭✭✭daheff


    From what I've heard Covid is spreading because of gatherings of people at homes, not from kids mixing in schools.

    So for if that's the problem, them make people stay at home and leave the kids in schools as a first step. If virus numbers still don't drop then we can assume that it's from schools and then close them too.


  • #3
    Scoondal
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scoondal


    Yes, teachers can work as supermarket staff have worked since March. When did shoppers start wearing face masks ?


  • #4
    Higgins5473
    Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    Beasty wrote: »
    ...no, not on September the 3rd (although for all I know they might have), it's the 3rd thread...
    1st thread
    2nd thread
    3rd thread

    Threadbans carry over

    Shouldn't need to say this, but unfortunately too many of you seem to ignore a very basic principle when posting - remain civil to each other, otherwise you will have posting privileges removed

    Is your thread title a very poor attempt at wit or humour? Hard to understand what else it could be.

    This is a very serious debate on schools and the spread of a deadly virus.


  • #5
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Scoondal wrote: »
    Yes, teachers can work as supermarket staff have worked since March. When did shoppers start wearing face masks ?

    Grand, reduced numbers in schools. Perfect.


  • #6
    Always number 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭Always number 1


    My 6 year old will be devastated if the schools close again. He's always been a happy-go-lucky little fella and while he wasn't exactly Mr Diligent when it came to homeschooling* he didnt let the lockdown get to him. He just got on with it and accepted it for what it was but it was only when he went back to school and had a spring in his step that we realised it had been missing.

    On the occasions we've had no choice but to bring him to a shop he keeps his distance, he sanitises everywhere he goes and puts his little face mask on him on the bus because he knows he needs to do this to keep people like his grandparents safe. I can cope with him falling behind on some of the academic stuff but I dont want his mental health to suffer because some plebs cant follow simple instructions

    *In fairness to him, as we were both working from home we didnt exactly push it too much


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  • #7
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    daheff wrote: »
    From what I've heard Covid is spreading because of gatherings of people at homes, not from kids mixing in schools.

    So for if that's the problem, them make people stay at home and leave the kids in schools as a first step. If virus numbers still don't drop then we can assume that it's from schools and then close them too.

    But there's been a Dublin lockdown for 2 weeks with households limited to one extra home.. So would you not say we have already tried your approach? And we don't need to close schools, just reduce numbers in and out.


  • #8
    jrosen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭jrosen


    Anywhere where people are mixing will increase the chance of spread. It was a given that once schools opened back up we would see increases. But I think that was the point of having social resections. The hope that people would still hand wash/social distance/limit their contacts in order to keep numbers lower.

    I dont think that has happened. I personally know of people who have gone on with their lives as usual. Family visiting grandparents weekly, expecting babysitting. Communion parties, birthday parties, sleep overs, even a student going on a school trip while their parent awaited a test result. Unfortunately there have been large cohorts of society who have ignored the guidelines and we will all pay for it.


  • #9
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    But there's been a Dublin lockdown for 2 weeks with households limited to one extra home.. So would you not say we have already tried your approach? And we don't need to close schools, just reduce numbers in and out.

    Cases aren't increasing amymore in Dublin since level 3 was introduced 2 weeks ago even though schools still open.

    What does that tell you?


  • #10
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,738 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Is this like "no food" pubs opening in August....?


  • #11
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Cases aren't increasing amymore in Dublin since level 3 was introduced 2 weeks ago even though schools still open.

    What does that tell you?

    What does that picture tell you? And nphet are also saying things are getting worse. Like am I meant to ignore govt advice here? If starts to spike just as schools started back, ie last week of August like. Can't be a coincidence. Don't get me wrong, I thought it would be far far worse so I'm delighted it's not, but there is a link surely.


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  • #12
    ...Ghost...
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    What does that picture tell you? And nphet are also saying things are getting worse. Like am I meant to ignore govt advice here? If starts to spike just as schools started back, ie last week of August like. Can't be a coincidence. Don't get me wrong, I thought it would be far far worse so I'm delighted it's not, but there is a link surely.

    Tinfoil hats are a great defense against facts. Some people will have us believe children are immune and teachers live in a different spacetime continuum to the rest of us.

    Stay Free



  • #13
    Immortal Starlight
    Registered Users Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Immortal Starlight


    Can I ask what is everyone’s opinion on letting a secondary school student go back to a school after the weekend where a covid case has been diagnosed. The case is not in the students year so they are expected to be present at school. What would you do if it was your decision to make?


  • #14
    The_Brood
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    jrosen wrote: »
    Anywhere where people are mixing will increase the chance of spread. It was a given that once schools opened back up we would see increases. But I think that was the point of having social resections. The hope that people would still hand wash/social distance/limit their contacts in order to keep numbers lower.

    I dont think that has happened. I personally know of people who have gone on with their lives as usual. Family visiting grandparents weekly, expecting babysitting. Communion parties, birthday parties, sleep overs, even a student going on a school trip while their parent awaited a test result. Unfortunately there have been large cohorts of society who have ignored the guidelines and we will all pay for it.

    I mean this may be true, but that was always going to happen 100%. If anyone thought that near the totality of the Irish population would follow the rules (as would have been required to make the measures work) that is embarrassing - but for the government to gamble (and lose) our collective futures and well-being is criminal and there need to be consequences for this stupidity.

    You can't hope for a China-style lockdown without having heavy enforcement in place. You need guardai, military, everyone armed and forcing people to comply. That is how you make an enforced lockdown work. It is criminally stupid to expect that pamphlets and twitter posts will somehow make everyone comply. The problem is not that the majority of people don't know or don't care. It's that for the significant minority that don't, absolutely nothing short of arrests - and more brutal methods - will get them to comply.

    Don't like it? The alternative to all that is Sweden/Belarus. Let Covid take its course, but do not ruin society and people's futures. What happens happens and that's that. At least give some a chance.

    Yet the government has decided on neither. It will ruin our lives and our future, but it will not enforce the severity of measures needed to make sure everyone complies and the virus is successfully contained.

    This is simple common sense and they have failed at it. Criminal.


  • #15
    Oranage2
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    Immortal Starlight wrote: »
    Can I ask what is everyone’s opinion on letting a secondary school student go back to a school after the weekend where a covid case has been diagnosed. The case is not in the students year so they are expected to be present at school. What would you do if it was your decision to make?

    Russian roulette, it might be fine this time but eventually it won't be. The tracking is slow due to limitations and you don't know which parents are sending their kids in with what condition.

    As for your situation, you've no choice really, the law says he/she should go, best you can do is tell them to wear a Mask and social distance whenever they can


  • #16
    SusanC10
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    I had thought that if the Country got to the point where Level 5 was needed that the situation would warrant a closure of schools.

    What is going to happen now ?
    Will they keep them open as they are right now?


  • #17
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    SusanC10 wrote: »
    I had thought that if the Country got to the point where Level 5 was needed that the situation would warrant a closure of schools.

    What is going to happen now ?
    Will they keep them open as they are right now?

    Who knows what these idiots will do at this stage


  • #18
    Love2love
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭Love2love


    Immortal Starlight wrote: »
    Can I ask what is everyone’s opinion on letting a secondary school student go back to a school after the weekend where a covid case has been diagnosed. The case is not in the students year so they are expected to be present at school. What would you do if it was your decision to make?

    There was a case identified in my son’s school (secondary) and he was identified as a close contact along with 10 others. All close contacts came back as negative thankfully and they’ll be able to return after their 14 days this Friday. They could still develop symptoms up to then but the school have been marvellous in dealing with it.

    Got the call from my daughters school last night (primary) and although not on her pod - HSE decided to close the entire class for 2 weeks and they’ve to be tested on day 7. Another class is also closed so I’m assuming siblings. Apparently 8 members of the staffing team are also affected. The reaction of both the school and the HSE have been great and instilled more confidence in me heading into the winter.


  • #19
    SusanC10
    Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    Love2love wrote: »
    There was a case identified in my son’s school (secondary) and he was identified as a close contact along with 10 others. All close contacts came back as negative thankfully and they’ll be able to return after their 14 days this Friday. They could still develop symptoms up to then but the school have been marvellous in dealing with it.

    Got the call from my daughters school last night (primary) and although not on her pod - HSE decided to close the entire class for 2 weeks and they’ve to be tested on day 7. Another class is also closed so I’m assuming siblings. Apparently 8 members of the staffing team are also affected. The reaction of both the school and the HSE have been great and instilled more confidence in me heading into the winter.

    The HSE/Public Health response to cases in schools seems to vary by location.
    Do you mind me asking which HSE area you are in ?


  • #20
    wirelessdude01
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    Love2love wrote: »
    There was a case identified in my son’s school (secondary) and he was identified as a close contact along with 10 others. All close contacts came back as negative thankfully and they’ll be able to return after their 14 days this Friday. They could still develop symptoms up to then but the school have been marvellous in dealing with it.

    Got the call from my daughters school last night (primary) and although not on her pod - HSE decided to close the entire class for 2 weeks and they’ve to be tested on day 7. Another class is also closed so I’m assuming siblings. Apparently 8 members of the staffing team are also affected. The reaction of both the school and the HSE have been great and instilled more confidence in me heading into the winter.

    Also how the hell can 8 members of staff be impacted by juat two siblings at primaryl level?


  • #21
    irishblessing
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    Immortal Starlight wrote: »
    Can I ask what is everyone’s opinion on letting a secondary school student go back to a school after the weekend where a covid case has been diagnosed. The case is not in the students year so they are expected to be present at school. What would you do if it was your decision to make?

    We have decided that if there's a case in our kids' school, we are pulling them out. We are in a global pandemic in which the government and DES have spectacularly let down our teachers and students and families by not providing a national plan b - a hybrid remote learning plan with options.

    So if we pull our kids because we have made the decision that their health and safety and that of ours is the priority then we are entitled to do that and I don't give a shít what anyone, especially the useless education heads have to say about it. Report to Tulsa all they like. They have a huge backlog for homeschool applications anyway. We won't have consequences and our kids won't be removed from our home so who cares. Just think about it, what would actually happen-nothing. Imagine the headlines: "Tulsa recommends sanctions and attempts to interfere in loving family because they chose to protect their children among positive cases of COVID in their school...." :pac::pac::pac:

    On a related note, I have begun to see lots of comments on my social media feeds from p'd off Irish families because there are no remote learning plans in the face of at risk students & families, illness, quarantines, and closures. One said that their school was closed down and no backup plan in place. Parents have copped on hugely now. And if there's a level 5 lockdown but schools remain open where kids "10 and older contract and spread the virus at least as well as adults do (Mike Ryan, WHO & CDC)" then it's really going to hit the fan. The government thought that their not so brilliant optics of a bs plan to ram all the students back in school without earlier, better, safer plans with a plan b back up will actually be their downfall. It was easy to see this all coming. Wtf is their excuse.


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  • #22
    Love2love
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    East Coast ARea Dublin (ECAD) I have been contacted from HSE in Cork to advise though so I assumed it was a whole Ireland approach type of thing


  • #23
    Love2love
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭Love2love


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Also how the hell can 8 members of staff be impacted by juat two siblings at primaryl level?

    2 teachers, 2 SNAs and learning and remedial support classes. I questioned the same myself but naturally they couldn’t give me more detail.


  • #24
    daheff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,898 ✭✭✭daheff


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    But there's been a Dublin lockdown for 2 weeks with households limited to one extra home.. So would you not say we have already tried your approach? And we don't need to close schools, just reduce numbers in and out.

    level 5 has no home visits....so no we haven't tried that approach yet.


    in any case, people seem to be wantonly ignoring that restriction.


  • #25
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    I wonder is plan b in motion if schools do get shut...... Oh yeah they didn't make one.


  • #26
    hello2020
    Registered Users Posts: 240 ✭✭hello2020


    irishblessing wrote: »
    We have decided that if there's a case in our kids' school, we are pulling them out. We are in a global pandemic in which the government and DES have spectacularly let down our teachers and students and families by not providing a national plan b - a hybrid remote learning plan with options.

    So if we pull our kids because we have made the decision that their health and safety and that of ours is the priority then we are entitled to do that and I don't give a shít what anyone, especially the useless education heads have to say about it. Report to Tulsa all they like. They have a huge backlog for homeschool applications anyway. We won't have consequences and our kids won't be removed from our home so who cares. Just think about it, what would actually happen-nothing. Imagine the headlines: "Tulsa recommends sanctions and attempts to interfere in loving family because they chose to protect their children among positive cases of COVID in their school...." :pac::pac::pac:

    On a related note, I have begun to see lots of comments on my social media feeds from p'd off Irish families because there are no remote learning plans in the face of at risk students & families, illness, quarantines, and closures. One said that their school was closed down and no backup plan in place. Parents have copped on hugely now. And if there's a level 5 lockdown but schools remain open where kids "10 and older contract and spread the virus at least as well as adults do (Mike Ryan, WHO & CDC)" then it's really going to hit the fan. The government thought that their not so brilliant optics of a bs plan to ram all the students back in school without earlier, better, safer plans with a plan b back up will actually be their downfall. It was easy to see this all coming. Wtf is their excuse.

    same with us..can not justify myself to put kids in danger while adults are working from home and taking all sorts of precautions..

    i have no answer for my kids when they innocently ask, why I am wearing a mask when dropping them to school while they are running around with kids from different households with no masks on, sharing washrooms, classroom..


  • #27
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    hello2020 wrote: »
    same with us..can not justify myself to put kids in danger while adults are working from home and taking all sorts of precautions..

    i have no answer for my kids when they innocently ask, why I am wearing a mask when dropping them to school while they are running around with kids from different households with no masks on, sharing washrooms, classroom..

    My kids are also part of a relatively small group of children going in with masks every day. Mine also asked why others aren't wearing masks. I told them that very smart leaders of other major health groups have looked at the evidence and it shows that children around your age should wear them in crowded situations that you're in for a long time. Unfortunately our health service in Ireland is choosing to ignore these recommendations and only advises from age 13. I told them we their parents have decided to take those studies on board and are going with the safest option. We said maybe other parents only heard about what the HSE recommends and some don't believe it's a serious virus... but we have to do what we believe is best for you and this is our decision.

    They get it and they feel quite happy and protected and loved which I'm happy enough with. They have both said no one gives them stick for it either, another bonus. Forgot to add but one of my kids sort of explained it to another non-mask wearing child who asked and that child told their parent they want to wear a mask and now they do too! Others are either incurious or just accepting.

    It just seems ridiculous though that we have to explain this discrepancy they all notice.


  • #28
    JDD
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    I was having a chat with my husband about this last night.

    My gut feeling is that we will not go to Level 5 this evening, or indeed this week.

    The government may raise Dublin & Donegal to Level 4 and the rest of the country to Level 3, but that might be difficult to justify now that the Level 3.75 in Dublin appears to be working (infections in Dublin seem to be dropping).

    So perhaps they will raise the whole country to Level 4. The only drawback from this is that there is a level of economic pain with Level 4, and if it doesn't work we will have to go to Level 5 anyway, thus prolonging and increasing the economic pain. The timing of it would also be an issue. My view is that the government are going to bring in a complete lockdown of a period of four weeks at some stage before Christmas - so that there is breathing room in Christmas week to have celebrations and house gatherings. The infections will inevitably shoot up over Christmas week, but if we have a strict lockdown for the four weeks preceding it, we should have enough hospital capacity to cope over January.

    The issue for the schools is complex. So if we do have a strict four week lockdown and keep the schools open, it will become very very obvious if schools are significantly assisting the spread. If we get two weeks in, and infections are still shooting skywards, I can't see how they will have any option but to close to schools.

    And if they do close the schools, they will be admitting that fully open schools significantly assist in spreading the virus. Once that is clear, it will become very difficult to justify reopening the schools at Levels 1-4.

    Then where are we? Back to the idea of half-open schools (and presumably closed creches and after-schools/childminders) with half home-schooling. I'm sure some economic boffins smarter than me can work out the severe economic knock on effects of 600,000 workers, who are also parents, having to work part time for the next...what...six months? A year?

    I don't think it was smart to keep schools open in the Level 5 category. Level 5 was always going to be a short period of time. Better to close the schools and say that that it was the overall lockdown that worked, than keep the schools open and have to close them if it turns out that they were the breeding grounds after all.


  • #29
    SusanC10
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    Our 5th Class daughter wears a mask at school. There are 2 others in the class of 26 kids wearing one too.

    We explained why to her before schools opened and also told her that she may be alone in wearing one. She gets it.


  • #30
    SusanC10
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    I am wondering if it would be best to do a short, sharp shock of Level 5 for 4 weeks with schools closed and see how that goes.


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  • #31
    JDD
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    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Our 5th Class daughter wears a mask at school. There are 2 others in the class of 26 kids wearing one too.

    We explained why to her before schools opened and also told her that she may be alone in wearing one. She gets it.

    I haven't asked my kids to wear one up to now. The older one probably would, the younger one hates them, and when the schools went back I suppose I wanted everything to be as normal for them as possible. There is a few other kids in the class that wear masks for at least a portion of the day.

    I'm thinking I'll send them in with their masks tomorrow. I think they'd get it too and with the increase in cases, it is probably the right thing. Even if they only wear them for a portion of the time, it has to be better than not wearing one at all.


  • #32
    TexasTornado
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    SusanC10 wrote: »
    I am wondering if it would be best to do a short, sharp shock of Level 5 for 4 weeks with schools closed and see how that goes.

    We have to do something drastic alright. Our present trajectory is unsustainable


  • #33
    SusanC10
    Registered Users Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    JDD wrote: »
    I haven't asked my kids to wear one up to now. The older one probably would, the younger one hates them, and when the schools went back I suppose I wanted everything to be as normal for them as possible. There is a few other kids in the class that wear masks for at least a portion of the day.

    I'm thinking I'll send them in with their masks tomorrow. I think they'd get it too and with the increase in cases, it is probably the right thing. Even if they only wear them for a portion of the time, it has to be better than not wearing one at all.

    We only have 2 kids and the older one is in Secondary so mask is mandatory there. So it was easy for us to treat both kids the same. And she is 11. The WHO recommend masks for 12+ and 6+ in some settings.


  • #34
    JimmyVik
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    SusanC10 wrote: »
    I am wondering if it would be best to do a short, sharp shock of Level 5 for 4 weeks with schools closed and see how that goes.




    What. And prove schools are spreading it? Not a chance :)


    I know a teacher who shares a house with two other teacher.
    One of those teachers is a close contact (student in their class with a positive test). They are now awaiting a covid test.


    So the other two teachers were in touch with whoever they have to contact this morning asking should they get a test and stay home from work as they live with the teacher awaiting the test.


    Answer was go into school as normal. You dont need a test. If the teacher you live with has a positive test, then ring us back. Otherwise, go to work.



    Would this would not happen in any other setting.


  • #35
    niamh247
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭niamh247


    JimmyVik wrote: »
    What. And prove schools are spreading it? Not a chance :)


    I know a teacher who shares a house with two other teacher.
    One of those teachers is a close contact (student in their class with a positive test). They are now awaiting a covid test.


    So the other two teachers were in touch with whoever they have to contact this morning asking should they get a test and stay home from work as they live with the teacher awaiting the test.


    Answer was go into school as normal. You dont need a test. If the teacher you live with has a positive test, then ring us back. Otherwise, go to work.



    Would this would not happen in any other setting.

    Someone in govt who thinks schools are essential services similar to garda etc, need to get educated about what essential means.


  • #36
    niamh247
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭niamh247


    daheff wrote: »
    From what I've heard Covid is spreading because of gatherings of people at homes, not from kids mixing in schools.

    So for if that's the problem, them make people stay at home and leave the kids in schools as a first step. If virus numbers still don't drop then we can assume that it's from schools and then close them too.

    So because we "heard" something or "assumed" something, we want to put it to test by sending kids to schools and see if they get infected? That's called guinea pig test.


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  • #37
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    JimmyVik wrote: »
    What. And prove schools are spreading it? Not a chance :)


    I know a teacher who shares a house with two other teacher.
    One of those teachers is a close contact (student in their class with a positive test). They are now awaiting a covid test.


    So the other two teachers were in touch with whoever they have to contact this morning asking should they get a test and stay home from work as they live with the teacher awaiting the test.


    Answer was go into school as normal. You dont need a test. If the teacher you live with has a positive test, then ring us back. Otherwise, go to work.



    Would this would not happen in any other setting.

    To be fair that’s the set up for all workplaces. They are not a close contact unless their housemate tests positive.

    But I agree it’s completely insane


  • #38
    niamh247
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭niamh247


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Cases aren't increasing amymore in Dublin since level 3 was introduced 2 weeks ago even though schools still open.

    What does that tell you?

    That's not evidence to say schools are not spreading. On the other hand, why do you think putting 30 kids in a room for 6 hours won't spread it? Do the kids leave virus at the gate while entering into school?


  • #39
    hello2020
    Registered Users Posts: 240 ✭✭hello2020


    niamh247 wrote: »
    So because we "heard" something or "assumed" something, we want to put it to test by sending kids to schools and see if they get infected? That's called guinea pig test.

    This !! kids are treated like "guinea pigs".


  • #40
    JimmyVik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,367 ✭✭✭JimmyVik


    niamh247 wrote: »
    That's not evidence to say schools are not spreading. On the other hand, why do you think putting 30 kids in a room for 6 hours won't spread it? Do the kids leave virus at the gate while entering into school?


    Whats the difference between putting 30 people in a room in a school and in a factory or as pub?


    Only thing I can think of is that the school room is a smaller area by a huge margin.


  • #41
    ...Ghost...
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    JimmyVik wrote: »
    Whats the difference between putting 30 people in a room in a school and in a factory or as pub?


    Only thing I can think of is that the school room is a smaller area by a huge margin.

    You correctly state that 1 room is larger than the other. In fact, a factory floor, even a small one is many times larger than the largest classroom.

    The factory floor has adults working there, who will be more conscious on average of the virus and will be more hygienic as a result. The factory floor has a minimum 2 meter distance rule and staff are provided with PPE.

    The classroom is full of kids who are not as consciously aware as adults. They are pretty much shoulder to shoulder and are not provided with PPE, or expected to use any. The minimum distance is half that of every other setting and even that is not adhered to because in most cases, the room is not big enough.

    I would happily spend a full day in one of those rooms and not a moment in the other. Any guesses as to which one is which?

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  • #42
    SusanC10
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    Irish Times reporting that NPHETs letter states that moving to Level 5 now is the only way to keep schools open.

    (Linking not working for me atm)


  • #43
    freak scence
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    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Irish Times reporting that NPHETs letter states that moving to Level 5 now is the only way to keep schools open.

    (Linking not working for me atm)

    its the schools that have caused this spike one month later as everyone said it , and we were warned so **** nphet , https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/when-covid-subsided-israel-reopened-its-schools-it-didn-t-go-well-1.4321658


  • #44
    ShineOn7
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    Level 5 restrictions were just updated on the Government website
    I just noticed that the Level 5 restrictions that are listed here were updated today.

    This morning under "Schools, creches and higher and adult education" it stated

    Open with protective measures in place.

    But now it states:
    Recommendations based on situation and evidence at time.
    You can see an archived version from yesterday on the Wayback Machine here
    So it looks like Level 5 may involve school closures.


  • #45
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Level 5 restrictions were just updated on the Government website

    That document was available in two different places. One place was updated early last week but the other one wasn't.


  • #46
    SusanC10
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    SusanC10 wrote: »
    Irish Times reporting that NPHETs letter states that moving to Level 5 now is the only way to keep schools open.

    (Linking not working for me atm)

    This is the Link

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/moving-to-level-5-is-only-way-to-control-covid-19-and-keep-schools-open-nphet-1.4372401


  • #47
    TexasTornado
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    Schools are obviously a problem and so is the cover up.

    I feel desperate for school teachers, school bus drivers etc...who are basically being treated like dirt compared to other sectors.


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    schools staying open is ridiculous. My nephew goes to school near the border with Lifford and Strabane. A friend of his in the class lives in the North but goes to school in the South. Northern Ireland is not in Level 5. There was a child in a neighbouring school that tested positive 2 weeks ago and the class was sent home. Another child in a playschool in a village in the same area tested positive, and the pod was sent home.

    No masks are being worn at any school. There were 3500 news cases in Northern Ireland in the last week, and over a quarter of those were in the Derry Strabane area.

    I heard from a friend over in Greyabbey, county Antrim last week, that a husband and wife he knows decided to stay home and isolate since last March. They got their groceries delivered and didnt visit other houses etc. Their son went back to school in September and was sent home because another child in the class tested positive, now the whole family are infected after having been extra careful since last March.


  • #49
    Mrsmum
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    I don't know what to say about people after today. People are stupid. Before lunch I got a text from school to say Covid case in my son's class but he's not a close contact. My son then came home for his lunch and told me the young person involved is a neighbour of ours. So I'm looking out at their house all afternoon and both the mam's and the dad's cars are not there. Are they not supposed to be restricting their movements ? Btw the dad is also a teacher. So an hour ago I am walking the dog and who passes me by only either the boy himself or his older bother. I can't tell them apart. Even if it's the brother, again where is he off to with a rucksack on his back ? And now the primary school brother has just cycled in their driveway having been in school all day. What the hell. I feel like going over to the house and screaming at them, only the parents are still not there. Or have I got it all wrong or something.


  • #50
    freak scence
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    TexasTornado wrote: »
    Schools are obviously a problem and so is the cover up.

    I feel desperate for school teachers, school bus drivers etc...who are basically being treated like dirt compared to other sectors.

    ha other sectors haven't had a chance to prove themselves and have been shut ,as we were all told schools were the priority look where it has landed us now.


  • #51
    wirelessdude01
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    Mrsmum wrote: »
    I don't know what to say about people after today. People are stupid. Before lunch I got a text from school to say Covid case in my son's class but he's not a close contact. My son then came home for his lunch and told me the young person involved is a neighbour of ours. So I'm looking out at their house all afternoon and both the mam's and the dad's cars are not there. Are they not supposed to be restricting their movements ? Btw the dad is also a teacher. So an hour ago I am walking the dog and who passes me by only either the boy himself or his older bother. I can't tell them apart. Even if it's the brother, again where is he off to with a rucksack on his back ? And now the primary school brother has just cycled in their driveway having been in school all day. What the hell. I feel like going over to the house and screaming at them, only the parents are still not there. Or have I got it all wrong or something.

    FFS


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