Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

j8wk2feszrnpao · 04-10-2020 10:38PM

fin12 wrote: »

Who would actually want to take this rushed vaccine? I’m not going near it till at least 1000s have got it before I even contemplate to take it and see what the actual side effects from it are.

1000s have gotten it from one of the pharmaceutical giants. But testing will go on for a number of months.

freak scence · 04-10-2020 10:39PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

At last we are seeing a move in the right direction to fight this virus. Not sure is it Tony coming back and getting people to cop on or the realisation that if we don’t act now we are fuc*ed.

The faster we lock down the sooner we can open again and the more lives we save.

One things is for sure after the weekend and reading some posts here we have to have serious sanctions for anyone gathering in protests and risking the whole community spreading the virus, going against expert advice and just being absolute lunatics in general. We serious need to mobilise the army if there is any actual truth behind these keyboard warriors claims.

Today is a positive though we might have a decent Christmas yet if we can get this virus under control.

myarse what will have changed from the march lockdown , schools are open

martingriff · 04-10-2020 10:39PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

This is going to decimate the economy. The hospitality and tourism industries are finished.
Small to medium retail businesses will struggle to reopen and the big chains will start pulling out one by one.

This is going to cost an astronomical amount, and I’m not just talking about financially.
I’m actually in shock tonight. Wouldn’t be surprised to see riots and protests and wouldn’t blame people for going to them either.

If the government think they’ll get the same support and adherence to lockdown round 2 they’re extremely mistaken. It just isn’t going to happen so they’re basically destroying the economy for nothing.

I have never been a fan of MM or Fianna Fáil but I do feel a bit of sympathy that he essentially inherited a poisoned chalice from Leo and this is going to destroy his political career.
The tribunal and enquiry into our response to this virus in a few years will be damning for those in power, and the people will never forget.

All sense seems to have gone out the window when that first 3 week extension was announced in early May before the inept roadmap was announced, and hasn’t returned since.
2020 is a write off, I want to wake up in 2021. This is going to be a horrible grim winter with NPHET calling the shots.

In what way. All parties were behind the lockdown the last time

_Kaiser_ · 04-10-2020 10:41PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Poor Fintan thinks it's a "mild cold".

For the vast majority, that's all it is yes - if they even realise they have it in the first place!

The problem is that we're putting the needs of the few who actually are at any significant risk ahead of the welfare of those others or the country as a whole.

That's a noble idea sure, but entirely unrealistic given the number of variables and moving parts that make up a country, economy and society.

Those who are at risk need to take personal responsibility for their own safety and well-being according to their specific circumstances, up to and including cocooning if necessary, and they should be supported by Government in doing so until a vaccine becomes available (whenever that may be - people shouldn't pin hopes on 2021.. it could easily take a lot longer than that).

For everyone else though, life, work and everything else needs to go on as unimpeded as possible - in no small part to be able to support that group while they protet themselves.

bucketybuck · 04-10-2020 10:41PM

Infini wrote: »

No they haven't honestly they're not fools they're doctors who are well educated in their fields and are making recommendations based on the data available which is what we don't have immediate access to..

Tony is also the guy responsible for the cervical check scandal and the disgraceful handling of nursing homes that cost the lives of hundreds of people more than there might have been.

Forgive me if I don't take his advice as infallible.

Tenzor07 · 04-10-2020 10:41PM

ixoy wrote: »

Has any other country proposed such a quick sharp lockdown at a national level recently? Israel springs to mind as one but their case numbers are at a worse level.

Israel has many issues, not least of which is Covid, but also dealing with Netanyahu who is more like Putin, Orban or Lukashenko...

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-hundreds-of-small-protests-mushroom-across-israel-over-draconian-restrictions-1.9201738

martingriff · 04-10-2020 10:42PM

Lundstram wrote: »

”a vaccine is likely to be out soon”

I laughed hard. Very hard.

You are utterly deluded beyond all comprehension. If a vaccine came out tomorrow it would take at least a year to immunise the majority.

Locking up people like caged animals for the safety of 0.5% of the population is crazy.

People need to stand up against this now. No more. We flattened the curve once, they’ve had 6 months to figure out a plan beyond that but they have failed miserably.

Fcuk them, tbh.

You do know the whole point is to keep it that way. I do not want another Irish lockdown but how about carrying on doing whjat we and meant to as least

Charles Babbage · 04-10-2020 10:44PM

Anyone ranting here should state what they propose to do instead. The numbers are increasing each week, even if many people do not have severe symptoms they still take up GPs time, hundreds of extra people will go to hospital and dozens of those will go to ICU. Health care staff will start to get infected and will have to take time out, at best, or will be sick for months or die at worst. To make room in the health service for all of this will require other operations and treatments to be cancelled. The economy is not going to thrive anyway, ordinary people are not going to have the confidence to go to hotels, restaurants and the like, the reckless may carry on but they will only spread the thing further.

Childish rants about the "government" don't cut it, it isn't the government that is the problem it is the population.

funnydoggy · 04-10-2020 10:45PM

Lockdown proponents be like:

dundalkfc10 · 04-10-2020 10:46PM

https://twitter.com/1garyrogers/status/1312865219014778880?s=19

The GAA doing what they like again

GocRh · 04-10-2020 10:46PM

Israel opened up literally overnight, and that's why cases exploded.

I work with Israeli colleagues and everyone was back in the office - not asked, but REQUIRED to be in the office at least 3 days per week.

We've NEVER opened up to the extent Israel did.

NIMAN · 04-10-2020 10:47PM

The medicine is becoming worse than the disease.

TRANQUILLO · 04-10-2020 10:47PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The numbers are increasing each week,

And ?

Cases are cases.

Deaths are deaths.

Speakerboxx · 04-10-2020 10:48PM

NPHET and the government can stick this one up where the sun doesnt shine if they think this is going to be brought into force.

04-10-2020 10:52PM

Speakerboxx wrote: »

NPHET and the government can stick this one up where the sun doesnt shine if they think this is going to be brought into force.

Dead right. We have now entered the theatre of the absurd with the severe measures being recommended. Have these "experts" any concept of the peoples' livelihoods they'll be gutting? None whatsoever. All about saving HSE face, and their disgraceful incompetence. All these months to prepare for the inevitable second wave, and nothing done whatsoever to make provision in ICU units. NPHET can f*ck right off if they think the public will swallow this without resistance.

bloopy · 04-10-2020 10:54PM

This is madness.

JRant · 04-10-2020 10:56PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Anyone ranting here should state what they propose to do instead. The numbers are increasing each week, even if many people do not have severe symptoms they still take up GPs time, hundreds of extra people will go to hospital and dozens of those will go to ICU. Health care staff will start to get infected and will have to take time out, at best, or will be sick for months or die at worst. To make room in the health service for all of this will require other operations and treatments to be cancelled. The economy is not going to thrive anyway, ordinary people are not going to have the confidence to go to hotels, restaurants and the like, the reckless may carry on but they will only spread the thing further.

Childish rants about the "government" don't cut it, it isn't the government that is the problem it is the population.

Au contraire, extraordinary measures require extraordinary evidence. The number of cases have been increasing for months now. A little over 100 people in the entire country are in hospital WITH COVID, and with is the important word here. Deaths are statistically non existent over the same period of time.

If the government want to lock down the country again they better have something more concrete than "concern' because quite frankly that's not going to cut it this time.

hamburgham · 04-10-2020 10:58PM

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We have lost the plot completely as a government ,media and society.[/QUOTE]

A reflection of our “world class education system” remember with teachers who are amongst the best paid in the world.

Charles Babbage · 04-10-2020 11:00PM

Speakerboxx wrote: »

NPHET and the government can stick this one up where the sun doesnt shine if they think this is going to be brought into force.

What do you propose be done instead?

bloopy wrote:

This is madness

What do you propose be done instead?

jrant wrote:

Au contraire, extraordinary measures require extraordinary evidence. The number of cases have been increasing for months now. A little over 100 people in the entire country are in hospital WITH COVID, and with is the important word here. Deaths are statistically non existent over the same period of time.

If cases increase then hospitalisations and deaths increase. I'm sure the dead people were actually existent.
What do you propose be done instead?

hamburgham wrote: »

A reflection of our “world class education system” remember with teachers who are amongst the best paid in the world.

What do you propose is done instead?

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 04-10-2020 11:00PM

Lundstram wrote: »

What the hell is going on? Fcuking seething here. This locking down sh1t needs to stop. It does not work, it will never work. A vaccine will not come so stop this sh1t and figure out a way to live with this so called deadly virus.

No coincidence that Tony comes back and this is recommended. No mention of it at a meeting on Thursday. Tony should not be let back in charge. You cannot leave a position during a time like this and then expect to stroll back in. I know the reason why he left and that’s a shame but I do not care about the reason, he should stay away and leave it to Glynn.

This will have a detrimental affect on people’s mental health never mind the economy. This is not natural.

Fcuking seething.

This.

The plan is to lockdown, wait for cases to drop, open stuff up again, cases rise so lockdown again. All eggs in the magic vaccine basket. If you can even call that a plan? It’s totally unsustainable.

The blame appears to be on people going to house parties, not wearing masks etc. The blame lies ENTIRELY at the feet or not just this government but of successive governments who did sweet fùck all to help our health service and now it’s biting us all in the arse. Lockdowns aren’t helping, they’re destroying the country all while the politicians blame you and me and continue to give themselves lovely little pay raises on top of their already bananas pay cheque.

It’s time to adopt the Sweden approach. This country simply will not survive with rolling lockdowns.

dundalkfc10 · 04-10-2020 11:03PM

https://twitter.com/DomesticIreland/status/1312874736075104263?s=19

And again

Idbatterim · 04-10-2020 11:04PM

Mm can tell nphet to do one. That slithering leftist snake varadkar sent us on this path dont forget!

walus · 04-10-2020 11:06PM

Could this be a PR game to change people’s perception of the government? At this stage it must have crossed their minds that society think of the government as weak and one that abdicated the decision making to nphet. As the information of new nphet recommendation was leaked again, there is a small chance that this time, its purpose is different. This time they may go against the advice and increase the level of restrictions to 3 instead of 5. This PR stunt could win them a few brownie points and may make them look in control. If they have any brains, that is how they should play this round.
If they put the country on level 5 as per the recommendation, they are doomed.

PTH2009 · 04-10-2020 11:07PM

I'm forced to drink cause of this

How can we take anything positive from these recommendations in which the high paid lads in the dail we go for ? We're doing our best but there's always going to be ups and downs rebels etc

Scary scary scary times

j8wk2feszrnpao · 04-10-2020 11:10PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

It’s time to adopt the Sweden approach. This country simply will not survive with rolling lockdowns.

Are we getting Sweden’s healthcare system under your plan?
How deaths are acceptable if we do go their way with our current system?

Idbatterim · 04-10-2020 11:11PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Anyone ranting here should state what they propose to do instead. The numbers are increasing each week, even if many people do not have severe symptoms they still take up GPs time, hundreds of extra people will go to hospital and dozens of those will go to ICU. Health care staff will start to get infected and will have to take time out, at best, or will be sick for months or die at worst. To make room in the health service for all of this will require other operations and treatments to be cancelled. The economy is not going to thrive anyway, ordinary people are not going to have the confidence to go to hotels, restaurants and the like, the reckless may carry on but they will only spread the thing further.

Childish rants about the "government" don't cut it, it isn't the government that is the problem it is the population.

Reopen pubs, and resteraunts , leave the rest as is. Im hoping im not around for the next pandemic if this is the hysteria the mickey mouse virus generates, imagine it was actually a mass killing horrendous death.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 04-10-2020 11:16PM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Are we getting Sweden’s healthcare system under your plan?
How deaths are acceptable if we do go their way with our current system?

Spend the money on hospitals.

It’s better than losing BILLIONS by shutting down again.

04-10-2020 11:18PM

FrStone wrote: »

Does anyone have a draft letter they are proposing to send to their local TDs regarding these ridiculous restrictions?

No because I 100% agree with the proposed restrictions, they are absolutely necessary to control this virus and this hot air and selfishness being blown from many in here is to be ignored a best or treated as a threat to the health of the nation at worst and dealt with accordingly.

Charles Babbage · 04-10-2020 11:20PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Reopen pubs, and resteraunts , leave the rest as is. Im hopimg im not adoundfor the ne lxt pandemic if this is the hysteria the mickey mouse virus generates, imagine it was actually a mass killing horrendous death.

This is the argument that beating someone up is not as bad as murder to the authorities don't need to worry about it.

Covid has already killed more than a decades worth of road accidents, so presumably in your view they should turn off the traffic lights.

If you did happen to be an accident though, and needed ICU, it might irritate you to find them all full.

JRant · 04-10-2020 11:20PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

What do you propose be done instead?

What do you propose be done instead?

If cases increase then hospitalisations and deaths increase. I'm sure the dead people were actually existent.
What do you propose be done instead?

What do you propose is done instead?

Unless we look at the actual numbers since August and we see that the increase in cases has led to a very small increase in hospital cases and no increase in deaths.

What do I propose?

Well for a start, we should be focusing our limited resources on helping those that actually need it. Put strict testing in place for nursing and community homes, make provisions for those in the at risk category, ie the over 65's. Make testing available for those groups very easy to access and have a much quicker turn around time.

What we shouldn't be doing is crippling the entire country due to an increase in cases that seems to have no bearing to the overall population.

Oh, and by the way, I never said the deaths didn't exist. I said they were statistically non-existent, which in a country of 5 million people they absolutely are.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings