Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Eod100 · 04-10-2020 10:46PM

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1312868362611982336?s=19

Munsterman12 · 04-10-2020 10:46PM

Level 5 sounds about right. Also extreme fines and testing everyone arriving in the republic.

04-10-2020 10:46PM

I said this on another thread, and I'll repeat it for necessary emphasis. Appalled by the story that emerged this evening, even if it was leaked:

Who the hell do NPHET think they are, recommending a dramatic escalation to Level 5 (only days after declining to ramp up certain countries to Level 3). They are toying with people's livelihoods and their mental health. Expect a raft of suicides coming into the long winter. I return to the family home this evening, my mother in tears at the prospect of being unable to attend church her primary social outlet. These "experts" have absolutely no compassion for the wider public, don't be fooled to the contrary. It is an egregious power trip that has gone too far, if the Government adopt these severe measures then they are the most spineless and insipid coalition for generations. If there is an uprising against the implementation of Level 5 restrictions nationwide then I will enthusiastically support it. Enough is enough.

Benimar · 04-10-2020 10:47PM

leahyl wrote: »

There are students still coming in for practicals for some programmes, just because your programme is all online doesn’t mean everyone’s is.

My own place have labs and practicals in person. Any colleagues I have spoken to in other 3rd Level institutions have the same set up.

Widdensushi · 04-10-2020 10:47PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

All bars in Paris ordered to close

Just the city, reasonable approach, why shut areas with few cases

ACitizenErased · 04-10-2020 10:47PM

leahyl wrote: »

There are students still coming in for practicals for some programmes, just because your programme is all online doesn’t mean everyone’s is.

About 3-4 courses in pods of 40 (mostly medicine students) are hardly the cause of cases rising like the original poster suggested.

Goldrickssan · 04-10-2020 10:47PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

This is the way of things now until a safe widespread vaccine is made available. People need to just grow up and get used to it.

There might never be an effective vaccine. What's the answer then?

froog · 04-10-2020 10:48PM

i don't think anyone wants a level 5. but i am still not seeing any workable alternative solutions to lockdowns from people that can be implemented in a matter of weeks other than vague suggestions of isolate the at risk and let it rip for everyone else (has this even been done anywhere in the world successfully?). and yes the government should have been more prepared with capacity etc. by now but ICU beds can not be magicked up easily. they are expensive and need specially trained staff. and we're not going to solve that problem anytime soon.

there is a small element of relief at more restrictions coming cause let's be honest here we are out of control and need to do something fast.

OscarMIlde · 04-10-2020 10:48PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'm a university student, not a single person is on site.

It most likely depends on the subject. Students where I work would be in the healthcare field. They are taking great care to ensure desks are two metres apart and all students are wearing masks, and they are acting responsibly in general as far as I can see. I think the most likely source of transmission at the moment is off campus social activities.

niallo27 · 04-10-2020 10:48PM

titan18 wrote: »

This is what HSE classify as high risk

The list of people in high risk groups includes people who:

are over 60 years of age
have a learning disability
have a lung condition that's not severe (such as asthma, COPD, emphysema or bronchitis)
have heart disease (such as heart failure)
have high blood pressure (hypertension)
have diabetes
have chronic kidney disease
have liver disease (such as hepatitis)
have a medical condition that can affect your breathing
have cancer
have clinically stable cystic fibrosis
have a weak immune system (immunosuppressed)
have cerebrovascular disease
have a condition affecting your brain or nerves (such as Parkinson's disease, motor neurone disease, multiple sclerosis, or cerebral palsy)
have a problem with your spleen or have had your spleen removed
have a condition that means you have a high risk of getting infections (such as HIV, lupus or scleroderma)
are taking medicine that can affect your immune system (such as low doses of steroids)
have obesity
are residents of nursing homes and other long-stay settings
are in specialist disability care and are over 50 years of age or have an underlying health problem

That's a feckload of people, even more when you add in people living with that group.

So with this huge list of high risk people and people living within the the group, would you not expect a lot more deaths and serious illnesses. Not in the same proportion obviously as people are cocooning but it should be a lot higher.

Tenzor07 · 04-10-2020 10:49PM

Strumms wrote: »

Do we have people to staff those beds. Enough qualified people ? ....extremly doubtful. you could spend a couple of million or hundreds of thousands on extra icu beds in new wards with all the associated equipment and whatever...but if there are not the doctors, nurses, carers, porters, security....
In reality instead of putting the burden on over burdened hospitals and their staff and loved ones... we as citizens here need to fùcking up our game and remain vigilent and do the right thing.

We closed down the country and locked ourselves at home for precisely that reason, to give the HSE time to build up the medical facilities, they didn't... They have the 2nd highest budget apart from social welfare which will need €billions more to support the high level of unemployment coming over the next couple of months..
For months on end we masked up, we kept our distance we worked from home, we stopped socialising, so for people like you to come on here and tell us to "Do the right thing" is insulting to the majority of people and is pure b.llox...

Goldrickssan · 04-10-2020 10:49PM

NPHET only recommended one household visitations at the end of last week. What the **** have they seen in the last few days to change their mind so drastically?

Load of bolox

TexasTornado · 04-10-2020 10:49PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

There might never be an effective vaccine. What's the answer then?

Good question. We give it until mid 2021 and review the approach then.

yawhat? · 04-10-2020 10:50PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

About 3-4 courses in pods of 40 (mostly medicine students) are hardly the cause of cases rising like the original poster suggested.

That’s a bit different to “not a single person is on site”, which you stated a couple of minutes ago. You’re a spoofer.

titan18 · 04-10-2020 10:50PM

political analyst wrote: »

How does having a learning disability increase the likelihood of having severe symptoms if infected?

No idea tbh. That's the HSE list though on their website. I'll assume they're working off WHO guidelines.

Jinglejangle69 · 04-10-2020 10:50PM

Lockdown the whole country.

But please make sure tourists from America are allowed in to roam the country freely......

Morons in charge.

Covid19 · 04-10-2020 10:51PM

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Not a deep thinker are you.

He's not, but he is right.

There will be quite a backlash against anyone not complying with the recommendations from those that do. There has been an underlying seething disgust of the anti mask idiots. The finger of blame for further restrictions will be pointed right at them.

DareGod · 04-10-2020 10:51PM

2nd Lockdown? The conspiracy theorists get it right yet again.

is_that_so · 04-10-2020 10:51PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

This is the way of things now until a safe widespread vaccine is made available. People need to just grow up and get used to it.

Yeah, putting on your best finger wagging voice just sells it to everyone!

TexasTornado · 04-10-2020 10:51PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Numbers going up worldwide, increasing restrictions in place worldwide, and people are still going on as if any changes are some nefarious NPHET plot.

I'm not happy if we go to level 5 either but come on.

Bizarre isn't it. You'd swear the virus was originated from NPHET's office ffs.

leahyl · 04-10-2020 10:52PM

yawhat? wrote: »

That’s a bit different to “not a single person is on site”, which you stated a couple of minutes ago. You’re a spoofer.

Exactly - I have no idea what the other poster said, I was responding to his claim that there isn’t a “single person on site”

seamus · 04-10-2020 10:52PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I doubt many care now. They know there is zero enforcement anyway.

So it is up to the individual to observe the rules now voluntarily.

Many care, because the personal and social cost of cancelling all outpatient appointments, closing businesses permanently, and removing peoples' only social outlets, will be far more than taking a nuanced approach here.

I see lots of people on Twitter saying things like, "We did it once, we can do it again". But I can only imagine none of these people are really struggling.
A 3 month payment break on your mortgage will be no use when your business is gone.
"We're saving lives" is scant comfort when your chemo has been cancelled.
"It's only four weeks" might as well be a lifetime when you're suffering a deep depression.

We did it once before, and that's exactly why it would be worse the second time around. Because we know it won't be temporary or a one-off. That it will be rolling lockdown for the next year at least, with every one killing a few more businesses, killing a few more people and ruining a few more peoples' mental health.

A better approach is required.

CptMackey · 04-10-2020 10:52PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Numbers going up worldwide, increasing restrictions in place worldwide, and people are still going on as if any changes are some nefarious NPHET plot.

I'm not happy if we go to level 5 either but come on.

Ya i this thread has lost the plot. All the "Irish" Twitter trolls going mad too .

What do people want? Uncontrolled growth of the virus in the community?

Sure 5g is probably at fault

Danzy · 04-10-2020 10:52PM

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Anyone defending NPHET and just recommending the best course of action from a public health perspective... then why so their recommendations constantly get leaked to the media ahead of any cabinet meeting to discuss them. They've completely overstepped their remit, level 5 nationally is insanity.

Their remit is to give what they consider to be the best course of action for minimizing the disease and the risk to public health. That's their remit.

The Cabinet then have to balance that with other concerns.

So NPHET are saying what must be done to minimize the threat to public health from Covid19. That doesn't mean it will be done, as other considerations come in to play.

Jinglejangle69 · 04-10-2020 10:54PM

Danzy wrote: »

Their remit is to give what they consider to be the best course of action for minimizing the disease and the risk to public health. That's their remit.

The Cabinet then have to balance that with other concerns.

So NPHET are saying what must be done to minimize the threat to public health from Covid19. That doesn't mean it will be done, as other considerations come in to play.

If they cared about public health they would ban smoking.

440Hertz · 04-10-2020 10:54PM

Eod100 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1312868362611982336?s=19

Seems about right. Several decades of under investing and failing to reform the healthcare system has left us very exposed - far more than we should be, given the economic resources we’ve had available since the original Celtic tiger era.

I’m a bit fed up listening to “oh we’re playing catch up”. We can’t be playing catch up 25 years after the money started to flow here in the 1990s.

Hand in Your Pants · 04-10-2020 10:54PM

froog wrote: »

i don't think anyone wants a level 5. but i am still not seeing any workable alternative solutions to lockdowns from people that can be implemented in a matter of weeks

Solution to what? It is a contagious virus that is less lethal than the flu. Absolutely the discussion needs to be around protecting older and more vulnerable people and for everyone else to continue life more or less as normal apart from mask wearing and social distancing in certain circumstances. I mean, what is it (apart from actually denying a whole range of seriously ill or special needs people access to treatment and services for another month) that you think another lock down will achieve? The virus is not going away. Probably ever.

Ficheall · 04-10-2020 10:54PM

I could understand a Level 5 for a few weeks if they were then going to do something properly about travellers from abroad and properly handle contract tracing and quarantining etc. Others it's just kicking the can down the road. They have not made the best use of the summer and the slack the first lockdown afforded us.

DareGod · 04-10-2020 10:55PM

Locking down the country for a cold.

This is the first year we've had the government counting up and announcing daily how many people in the country have a cold that day, and locking us home and destroying lives... because of a cold.

(99.9% survival rate, before you try to convince yourself that you've been right to believe all this time that it's not just a cold.)

Nonsense. Stop believing it.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 04-10-2020 10:55PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I my mother in tears at the prospect of being unable to attend church her primary social outlet

ffs
And I disagree with going to lvl5 (and probably lvl4) based off the number given to us.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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