Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Eod100 · 04-10-2020 05:28PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Will we get the usual announcement at somewhere between 5:30-6:00 or will it be delayed to coincide with nephet meeting.

Perhaps nephet meeting might be about specific policy rather than new lockdown.

NPHET already met this afternoon apparently

Stheno · 04-10-2020 05:28PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Dr Holohan chairing this evenings meeting

He will push for more restrictions i suspect

speckle · 04-10-2020 05:29PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Israeli healthcare looks like it will actually collpase similar to Italy and Spain back in March, now 900 in ICU having surpassed national capacity of 800

https://www.timesofisrael.com/flailing-in-the-face-of-covid-19-israel-is-now-on-the-brink-of-catastrophe/

how good did they do earlier in the year? Wondering if the high rate of gentic disorders amongst all groups there not helping? They have high rates of thalassemia a blood disorder. And high rates of consanguineous marriage.

niallo27 · 04-10-2020 05:30PM

Russman wrote: »

Usually through extraordinary efforts and sacrifice by front line staff.

Unlike internet posters though, governments can’t take the gamble that it might.
The same idiots would be complaining then anyway if it did.

The US was going collapse, India was going collapse, most of Europe was going collapse. They always seem to be on the brink.

Russman · 04-10-2020 05:30PM

niallo27 wrote: »

We all locked down for a few months and it didn't make thing pass quicker as you say. What are you basing your putting up with some pain to make this thing pass quicker on.

Ok maybe quicker wasn’t the right word, how about spread the pain ? Or just to try to keep some health resources available.

Nobody thought the first lockdown was going to end it, unless they were really naive and couldn’t grasp that the world had fundamentally changed.
This was always going to play out with lockdown, open up, rinse and repeat. It’s just not possible to protect the vulnerable and carry on regardless. Covid will get in somehow, complacency will set in.

Plus I’m not really comfortable telling a whole segment of society to lock themselves away so I can go back to pre February life. OtherS might be.

Paddygreen · 04-10-2020 05:30PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Dr Holohan chairing this evenings meeting

Amazing guy. Dr Tony is great comfort to us all during this most terrifying of emergencies.

Paddygreen · 04-10-2020 05:33PM

Stheno wrote: »

He will push for more restrictions i suspect

And rightfully so. We need to restrict covid out of existence. Hopefully by 2025.

speckle · 04-10-2020 05:33PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

ICU capacity has been increased. You can criticise that the increase should be more, but to say absolutuely nothing has been done is simply untrue

Pre-Covid capacity: 225
Temporary surge capacity: 354
Current permanent capacity: 280
Capacity after Winter Plan funding: 297

https://www.thejournal.ie/icu-bed-nu...17685-Sep2020/

Is that still behind what they have up North as bed to population ratio? Good to see improvements never the less. Well done to the medical staff.

Russman · 04-10-2020 05:33PM

niallo27 wrote: »

The US was going collapse, India was going collapse, most of Europe was going collapse. They always seem to be on the brink.

US healthcare pretty much did collapse in certain states like NYC, I don’t know about India but I’d suggest that the sights of coffins stacked high in Bergamo and Madrid would suggest some sort of collapse.

bb1234567 · 04-10-2020 05:34PM

niallo27 wrote: »

The US was going collapse, India was going collapse, most of Europe was going collapse. They always seem to be on the brink.

Indian healthcare did not cope. People were turned away from hospitals due to lack of resources. I don't know what else is meant to define 'collapse'

https://www.lifegate.com/india-coronavirus-healthcare-collapse

American hospitals did also collapse, and sent covid patients to other states and hospitals due to lack of resources

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/26/covid-19-death-panels-starr-county-hospital-texas

Eod100 · 04-10-2020 05:35PM

Stheno wrote: »

He will push for more restrictions i suspect

In a way you'd wonder is it better of have 3 weeks of level 4 in Dublin say then have to extend level 3? I know it's probably not as simplistic as that but would think severe measures for shorter period might bring it down more effectively than these measures and extending them. No simple answers unfortunately.

stephenjmcd · 04-10-2020 05:35PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

And rightfully so. We need to restrict covid out of existence. Hopefully by 2025.

Surprised your still even able to post here.

One of the greatest WUM accounts there's been

Looney1 · 04-10-2020 05:37PM

Do nphet normally meet on a Sunday evening??

stephenjmcd · 04-10-2020 05:37PM

Eod100 wrote: »

In a way you'd wonder is it better of have 3 weeks of level 4 in Dublin say then have to extend level 3? I know it's probably not as simplistic as that but would think severe measures for shorter period might bring it down more effectively than these measures and extending them. No simple answers unfortunately.

Why target Dublin with a level 4 ? Level 3 is slowing growth and showing Dublin as a reduced percentage now of national cases. Did anyone actually think level 3 was only going to last 3 weeks ?

Its other counties at level 3 thats needed not a level 4 that closes the vast majority of businesses again

Jackman25 · 04-10-2020 05:37PM

Russman wrote: »

It’s all comes down to the selfishness and selflessness of individuals.
Where is the line between public health and thinking as a society, and “I’m alright jack” individuals ? For some people their finances are paramount and for others they’re prepared to put up with some pain so they can benefit family members and maybe get this thing passed quicker.

The Im alright Jack individuals are on both sides of the debate.
Very easy for some people to call for social responsibilty when they are making out like bandits out of it all.

niallo27 · 04-10-2020 05:38PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Indian healthcare did not cope. People were turned away from hospitals due to lack of resources. I don't know what else is meant to define 'collapse'

https://www.lifegate.com/india-coronavirus-healthcare-collapse

American hospitals did also collapse, and sent covid patients to other states and hospitals due to lack of resources

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/26/covid-19-death-panels-starr-county-hospital-texas

Did you actually read the 2nd link you posted, the panels were created but never used.

expectationlost · 04-10-2020 05:38PM

level 3 restrictions for the rest of the country?

Paddygreen · 04-10-2020 05:39PM

Russman wrote: »

US healthcare pretty much did collapse in certain states like NYC, I don’t know about India but I’d suggest that the sights of coffins stacked high in Bergamo and Madrid would suggest some sort of collapse.

Conspiracy theorists suggest that the bergamo photos were taken back in 2013. And that the NY mass grave photos were taken on an island where all the unclaimed bodies in NYC get sent to be buried and that wasn’t out of the ordinary. Don’t know anything about Madrid.

Eod100 · 04-10-2020 05:39PM

Looks like New York is closing some schools.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1312794128070176774

stephenjmcd · 04-10-2020 05:41PM

expectationlost wrote: »

level 3 restrictions for the rest of the country?

Unlikely according to reports

Why would you put the whole country on level 3 when we all know the few counties that should be

expectationlost · 04-10-2020 05:41PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Unlikely according to reports

Why would you put the whole country on level 3 when we all know the few counties that should be

such as?

CIARAN_BOYLE · 04-10-2020 05:41PM

Looney1 wrote: »

Do nphet normally meet on a Sunday evening??

No. There's a weekly Thursday meeting and other meetings are held on an ad hoc basis if needed.

Icyseanfitz · 04-10-2020 05:42PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Looks like New York is closing some schools.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1312794128070176774

Youd think schools would be an obvious one to try and adjust for reduced numbers/social contacts, however we all know schools have adopted the hogwarts magic barrier spell against covid in Ireland, so no need to worry.

hynesie08 · 04-10-2020 05:43PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Looks like New York is closing some schools.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1312794128070176774

Would it be a stretch to guess these zip codes are either below the poverty line or of a particularly pious group of people....

Blondini · 04-10-2020 05:43PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Youd think schools would be an obvious one to try and adjust for reduced numbers/social contacts, however we all know schools have adopted the hogwarts magic barrier spell against covid in Ireland, so no need to worry.

An atomic bomb would not close Irish schools.

Jim_Hodge · 04-10-2020 05:44PM

expectationlost wrote: »

such as?

Monaghan, Roscommon, Longford?

Eod100 · 04-10-2020 05:45PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Youd think schools would be an obvious one to try and adjust for reduced numbers/social contacts, however we all know schools have adopted the hogwarts magic barrier spell against covid in Ireland, so no need to worry.

And only today Ryan is saying schools would stay open in level 4. Go figure!

speckle · 04-10-2020 05:45PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Conspiracy theorists suggest that the bergamo photos were taken back in 2013. And that the NY mass grave photos were taken on an island where all the unclaimed bodies in NYC get sent to be buried and that wasn’t out of the ordinary. Don’t know anything about Madrid.

One of the photos of coffins on Italy was taken from earlier. The army convoys were real. And yes the island in New York has existed for donkeys of years. Sad in this an age in any country to have unclaimed people who die. Thankfully here normally locals/groups band together for a proper grave and funeral.

stephenjmcd · 04-10-2020 05:45PM

expectationlost wrote: »

such as?

You really need that answered ?? Can you not see the county numbers for yourself ?

Border counties and Cork

Eod100 · 04-10-2020 05:46PM

expectationlost wrote: »

level 3 restrictions for the rest of the country?

Was it with the old system if one part was in level 4 rest of country had to be in level 3? Then again levels have been tweaked so much who honestly knows anymore

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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