General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

I've never understood "tapping up", the notion that you would make a bid first without even knowing if the player would move is ridiculous. It seems to be just a term for the selling club to use when they don't like that a move was mooted with their player.

rob316 wrote: »

I've never understood "tapping up", the notion that you would make a bid first without even knowing if the player would move is ridiculous. It seems to be just a term for the selling club to use when they don't like that a move was mooted with their player.

Dunno why, but I get the impression the selling club is at the minimum informed by buying club of interest and that if they agree terms, will ye (the selling club) enter negotiations.

So tapping up would just skip the first part and go to the player

Mushy wrote: »

Dunno why, but I get the impression the selling club is at the minimum informed by buying club of interest and that if they agree terms, will ye (the selling club) enter negotiations.

So tapping up would just skip the first part and go to the player

While the player might not directly communicate with the buying club, I'd imagine they are under no restrictions to communicate with him through his agent.
The agent will know what sort of valuation the club have of his player too.

rob316 wrote: »

While the player might not directly communicate with the buying club, I'd imagine they are under no restrictions to communicate with him through his agent.
The agent will know what sort of valuation the club have of his player too.

I think there may be some restrictions regarding agents, so process I'm going by would include agent as part of player communication with buying club. But would definitely be "unofficial" talks ongoing

In trying to understand what a Cork City fan's beef is with Liverpool I learned Cork City once had a player that played with them having won three European Cups.
We also beat them in a friendly in 2015
Investigation is ongoing

Offside is one of the laws of association football, codified in Law 11 of the Laws of the Game. The law states that a player is in an offside position if any of their body parts, except the hands and arms, are in the opponents' half of the pitch, and closer to the opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent (the last opponent is usually, but not necessarily, the goalkeeper).[1]

Being in an offside position is not an offence in itself, but a player so positioned when the ball is played by a teammate can be judged guilty of an offside offence if they become "involved in active play", "interfere with an opponent", or "gain an advantage" by being in that position.

Offside is judged at the moment the ball is last touched by the most recent teammate to touch the ball. Being in an offside position is not an offence in itself. A player who was in an offside position at the moment the ball was last touched or played by a teammate must then become involved in active play, in the opinion of the referee, in order for an offence to occur. When the offside offence occurs, the referee stops play, and awards an indirect free kick to the defending team from the place where the offending player became involved in active play.[1]

The offside offence is neither a foul nor misconduct as it does not belong to Law 12. Like fouls, however, any play (such as the scoring of a goal) that occurs after an offence has taken place, but before the referee is able to stop the play, is nullified.[2] The only time an offence related to offside is cautionable is if a defender deliberately leaves the field in order to deceive their opponents regarding a player's offside position, or if a forward, having left the field, returns and gains an advantage. In neither of these cases is the player being penalised for being offside; they are being cautioned for acts of unsporting behaviour.[1]

An attacker who is able to receive the ball behind the opposition defenders is often in a good position to score. The offside rule limits attackers' ability to do this, requiring that they be onside when the ball is played forward. Though restricted, well-timed passes and fast running allow an attacker to move into such a situation after the ball is kicked forward without committing the offence. Officiating decisions regarding offside, which can often be a matter of only centimeters or inches, can be critical in games, as they may determine whether a promising attack can continue, or even if a goal is allowed to stand.

One of the main duties of the assistant referees is to assist the referee in adjudicating offside[3] — their position on the sidelines giving a more useful view sideways across the pitch. Assistant referees communicate that an offside offence has occurred by raising a signal flag.[4] :191 However, as with all officiating decisions in the game, adjudicating offside is ultimately up to the referee, who can overrule the advice of their assistants if they see fit.[5]

now that the mods aren't reading, stfu lads please

A player is in an 'offside position' if they are in the opposing team's half of the field and also "nearer to the opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent."[1] The 2005 edition of the Laws of the Game included a new IFAB decision that stated, "In the definition of offside position, 'nearer to his opponents' goal line' means that any part of their head, body or feet is nearer to their opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second last opponent. The arms are not included in this definition".[6] By 2017, the wording had changed to say that, in judging offside position, "The hands and arms of all players, including the goalkeepers, are not considered."[1] In other words, a player is in an offside position if two conditions are met:

Any part of the player's head, body or feet is in the opponents' half of the field (excluding the half-way line).
Any part of the player's head, body or feet is closer to the opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent.[1]
The goalkeeper counts as an opponent in the second condition, but it is not necessary that the last opponent be the goalkeeper.

Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is touched or played by a teammate is only penalised for committing an offside offence if, in the opinion of the referee, they become involved in active play by:

Interfering with play
"playing or touching the ball passed or touched by a team-mate"[1]
Interfering with an opponent
"preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close to them when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball"[1]
Gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has
"- rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar, match official or an opponent
- been deliberately saved by any opponent"[1]
In addition to the above criteria, in the 2017–18 edition of the Laws of the Game, the IFAB made a further clarification that, "In situations where a player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent to play or challenge for the ball."[1]

There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from a goal kick, a corner kick, or a throw-in. It is also not an offence if the ball was last deliberately played by an opponent (except for a deliberate save). In this context, according to the IFAB, "A ‘save’ is when a player stops, or attempts to stop, a ball which is going into or very close to the goal with any part of the body except the hands/arms (unless the goalkeeper within the penalty area)."[1]

An offside offence may occur if a player receives the ball directly from either a direct free kick, indirect free kick, or dropped-ball.

Since offside is judged at the time the ball is touched or played by a teammate, not when the player receives the ball, it is possible for a player to receive the ball significantly past the second-to-last opponent, or even the last opponent, without committing an offence.

Determining whether a player is "involved in active play" can be complex. The quote, "If he's not interfering with play, what's he doing on the pitch?" has been attributed to Bill Nicholson[7] and Danny Blanchflower.[8] In an effort to avoid such criticisms, which were based on the fact that phrases such as "interfering with play", "interfering with an opponent", and "gaining an advantage" were not clearly defined, FIFA issued new guidelines for interpreting the offside law in 2003; and these were incorporated into Law 11 in July 2005.[6] The new wording sought to define the three cases more precisely, but a number of football associations and confederations continued to request more information about what movements a player in an offside position could make without interfering with an opponent. In response to these requests, IFAB circular 3 was issued in 2015 to provide additional guidance on the criteria for interfering with an opponent. This additional guidance is now included in the main body of the law, and forms the last 3 conditions under the heading "Interfering with an opponent" as shown above. The circular also contained additional guidance on the meaning of a save, in the context of a ball that has "been deliberately saved by any opponent."[9]




hope that clears things up

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Sadio Mane tested positive for Covid out of the next game at least

I suppose that rules him out for the internationals as well? I assume Senegal have one?

Gbear wrote: »

He'll almost certainly miss the Merseyside Derby on the 17th as well. Beyond that, it'll depend on how he recovers.

Not being the torch bearer about Covid but, max 14 days isolation, unless he's actually affected and not just asymptomatic, ready and roaring for the derby. If he's actually infected and is asymptomatic, he'll still be fine. I think.

I hope that his family and he are well and are 'just' asymptomatic. Stay home lad.

Hope all You lot are taking this seriously too. It's not killing me nor you. It's killing our relatives. Take that bit more care, for them.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Yeah, but he won't have trained in those 14 days.

Shirley could he not do a bit in the wee house he lives in lol. Being asymptomatic of course. The man's a machine, Covid hasn't a chance!