Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Deleted User wrote: »

I think Dublin and Kildare in particular are proof that lockdown doesn’t work.

Dublin locked down for 2 weeks now and cases still not close to dropping. Obviously pubs and restaurants weren’t really driving the numbers.

Kildare was locked down recently and still has over 10 - 20 cases per day.

The only way lockdown may help is if we go hard and close everything but essential business again. But that is unsustainable and cases will still just rise when we do reopen again.

At some point you would think we’ll have to let it rip through. We should have been doing everything we can to improve hospital capacity to allow this.

But Government/NPHET/HSE have done absolutely nothing on that front.

Sadly I predict we’ll end up back in national lockdown soon with a huge economic cost to add to an already huge bill.

Stand out figure today: -6 deaths.

Improving hospital capacity isn’t just space and equipment, it’s having the qualified and trained staff....doctors, nurses, carers, porters, catering staff, cleaners...., available to work.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Localising the lockdown instead of infringing on people's rights in areas that have no problem.

You'd swear it was difficult to work out. :rolleyes:

There are "localised" lock downs all over the country. Once a person has been confirmed to have the disease they are being told to restrict movements etc, as well as their close contacts etc. This is essentially localised lockdown - is it not?
It doesn't appear to be enough.


How localised do you want it to be?

Deleted User wrote: »

You’d also have to question how long our borrowed money can last?

Glynn mentioned 6 - 9 months of this current plan.

I wonder if they’re looking at things and that’s the timeline they have in mind were the economy starts to go from bad to sh*t show.

Don’t ask me were they are getting the idea that the economy will grow next year if all this continues.

It was on VM news earlier that it had cost €9bn so far. No income tax increases on the way according to Pascal.

I guess the "we're all in this together" brigade have the plan of making future generations pay for it.

the fear is very strong tonight

Im more scared about what the Government will do than i am of the virus, National lockdown part 2 and at this time of year

kippy wrote: »

There are restrictions around gathering in houses - again, based on the core principle.
As I said, people not following guidelines does not mean the guidelines dont make sense.
Look, as long as the deaths are low and the cases don't end up killing the health system more than it already is, then I don't particularily have a major issue but there will come a point where the wrong people will start to get infected and bothe hospitals and mobidity will be impacted negatively.

The point is Guidelines are easily trotted out by the NPHET and accepted by Government without question, they might make sense to the virologist PhD's like DeGascuin but if they public can't see clear sensible guidelines with a clear aim in sight like there was at the start when we were all told to lockdown to prevent Northern Italy and in 1,2 or 3 months time we can begin to live normally... 7 months later the health service is in ****, the economy is on life support, the restrictions are all but still in place in Dublin..
The wrong people had got infected back when Holohan was releasing untested old folks out of hospitals and causing the virus to rip through the private nursing homes..

As we speak I look out my window and can see a nearby house setting up a fancy looking Marquee tent with tables, chairs, lights and balloons preparing for what looks like a sizeable party...

This guy that lost the power of his legs is on the news, they really snatch at these abnormal cases. It wont stop, we will forever be reminded of the one in a million cases like this.

It will be used as a justification for all the deaths related to undiagnosed cancers etc and the criminal mismanagement of private hospital's.

There is about 100 Covid deaths so far since March, all the while circa 80 die a day from all causes.

mcburns07 wrote: »

Austerity doesn't work. Taxing the life out of people (We're already heavily taxed as it is) isn't really an option.

Yet here we are destroying people's lifelihoods.

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

"The next six months are crucial"

Like 'next 2 weeks'

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

This guy that lost the power of his legs is on the news, they really snatch at these abnormal cases. It wont stop, we will forever be reminded of the one in a million cases like this.

It will be used as a justification for all the deaths related to undiagnosed cancers etc and the criminal mismanagement of private hospital's.

There is about 100 Covid deaths so far since March, all the while circa 80 die a day from all causes.

Where are you getting 100 as a matter of interest?

Nonoperational wrote: »

I must say after what I’ve put down over the past 7 months, I’d love him to come find me and discuss it in person. PM open.

Come again?

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

This guy that lost the power of his legs is on the news, they really snatch at these abnormal cases. It wont stop, we will forever be reminded of the one in a million cases like this.

It will be used as a justification for all the deaths related to undiagnosed cancers etc and the criminal mismanagement of private hospital's.

There is about 100 Covid deaths so far since March, all the while circa 80 die a day from all causes.

I was a bit cynical watching that myself but nothing abnormal about losing the power of your legs after a few months in an ICU bed. I know two others in the same boat.

Donald Trump to be moved to hospital...live on BBC now.
One thing that I think could come from this is a highlighting of the risk factors involved with Covid. This message has been lost and many people genuinely at risk from the virus could get exposed by behaving the same as people with mininal risks. ‘We’re all in this together’ is overused. Would be great if there was information campaign ahead of the Winter months when more people are indoors.

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

I hope you will be reporting it to the Gardai, repeatedly until they come out.

What laws are they breaking??