Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

giveitholly · 02-10-2020 08:17PM

spookwoman wrote: »

UCC students suspended for breaching public health rules
Temporary suspensions of 11 students put in place pending the outcome of a hearing
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/ucc-students-suspended-for-breaching-public-health-rules-1.4369640

Some joke and the Judge getting away with attending golfgate. No wonder the young people are ignoring the restrictions

TonyMaloney · 02-10-2020 08:18PM

majcos wrote: »

I have a completely different question to ask. How many of you have an entire section of your wardrobe that hasn’t been touched since mid-March?

Was going to attempt a clear out but the usual discriminating question of ‘have you worn this in the last six months doesn’t seem right’ in this scenario.

I haven't put on a pair of jeans in six months.

People have complained about me in the local Aldi, but at least I'm wearing a mask.

HereinBray · 02-10-2020 08:19PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Good thread by Nolan but he is doing what he says he isn’t doing and is trying to scare people.
64 of our 114 hospital admissions from last night are in Dublin.
If Dublin’s figures drop and the rest of the country hopefully stays stable, then we should be well able to carry the amount of cases currently being recorded.
https://twitter.com/president_mu/status/1312083915667054592?s=21

Regarding admissions to Dublin hospitals - would I be correct in thinking that they don't all come from Dublin addresses?

HIB

The_Brood · 02-10-2020 08:20PM

Re: The student house parties the guardai are breaking up (but not really punishing anyone):

This is another reason why the current "let's just see how it goes" partial-lockdown approach is shambolic: We are constantly being punished for the wrong doings of others.

Government doesn't want to firmly get rid of the virus, China-lockdown style, and get us back to our lives.

Government doesn't want to say "well let's just live with it," Sweden-style, which again allows us to get back to our lives.

But the current 'restrictions for some but not for all, this shut down this not, you're allowed this but not that' - it means no matter how safely some of us try to go about the situation, we are completely at the mercy of wild students and many others who couldn't give a damn, and all of us are forced to pay for it when restriction levels rise because the virus is spreading.

I don't know what this achieves other than turning people bitter, resentful, suspicious, and firmly against one another. It's toxic poison for societal well-being and the government is shoving it down our throats.

JJayoo · 02-10-2020 08:20PM

polesheep wrote: »

Betcha six deaths denotified won't have the same effect as six deaths announced.

What a bizarre statement.

majcos · 02-10-2020 08:22PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Positive from in-house testing can also mean someone symptomatic with covid in the community has such bad symptoms they need hospital care and call for an ambulance etc... They would be admitted, isolated and treated while being tested.

This whole idea about most hospital figures are from asymptomatic patients being tested for elective surgery wouldn't account for admissions and testing at weekends as there wouldn't be much elective surgery at weekends.

Absolutely. I wasn’t counting those as they would be tested at the point of admission so I didn’t really think of them as in house testing. They would be tested in ED and admitted for treatment as a suspected case with isolation precautions. Most patients admitted with Covid would end up getting a test in hospital laboratory.

I was thinking of in house testing as testing for those patients who had already been in hospital for a number of days or weeks.

Wolf359f · 02-10-2020 08:25PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Well hospitalisations are over 100 and only rose by 4 In total this week

I'm not sure where you're getting the figures.
Last Friday we had 100 in hospital, this Friday we have 117, that's a net increase of 17, not 4

majcos · 02-10-2020 08:26PM

HereinBray wrote: »

Regarding admissions to Dublin hospitals - would I be correct in thinking that they don't all come from Dublin addresses?

HIB

Yes. It’s possible that admissions in Dublin are not all from Dublin. The case will be assigned in count for counties by their usual residential address but admission will be listed by the hospital location.

Oranage2 · 02-10-2020 08:26PM

The_Brood wrote: »

Re: The student house parties the guardai are breaking up (but not really punishing anyone):

This is another reason why the current "let's just see how it goes" partial-lockdown approach is shambolic: We are constantly being punished for the wrong doings of others.

Government doesn't want to firmly get rid of the virus, China-lockdown style, and get us back to our lives.

Government doesn't want to say "well let's just live with it," Sweden-style, which again allows us to get back to our lives.

But the current 'restrictions for some but not for all, this shut down this not, you're allowed this but not that' - it means no matter how safely some of us try to go about the situation, we are completely at the mercy of wild students and many others who couldn't give a damn, and all of us are forced to pay for it when restriction levels rise because the virus is spreading.

I don't know what this achieves other than turning people bitter, resentful, suspicious, and firmly against one another. It's toxic poison for societal well-being and the government is shoving it down our throats.

Of course the students need to take responsibility but the government and the colleges have to take some blame too.

TonyMaloney · 02-10-2020 08:30PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Well hospitalisations are over 100 and only rose by 4 In total this week

Go back in your mind to when we had 50 in hospital. Not so long ago, right? It was the 10th of September.

Well if it was growing at 4% per week it would have taken 18 weeks to get over 100. 23 weeks to 120+.

It's per day

normanoffside · 02-10-2020 08:30PM

majcos wrote: »

The other reason for including Covid diagnosis in hospital count regardless of reason for admission is that a diagnosis within the hospital whether symptomatic or nothing has a major operational impact on that hospital. Use of isolation rooms, use of isolation protocols for any radiology or procedures needed, use of PPE, time to put on and take off PPE, cleaning of hospital room, risk of spread to other more vulnerable patient groups such as oncology patients, etc., etc., etc.

This point I get 100% and of course it is necessary to test all admissions in order to know whether to place them in the covid wards or not.

Thanks for your answers.

normanoffside · 02-10-2020 08:32PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'm not sure where you're getting the figures.
Last Friday we had 100 in hospital, this Friday we have 117, that's a net increase of 17, not 4

From here:

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1312085563214880769

majcos · 02-10-2020 08:32PM

Quote from TonyMaloney

“I haven't put on a pair of jeans in six months.

People have complained about me in the local Aldi, but at least I'm wearing a mask.”

I suppose if I had to choose between seeing some randomer with no jeans or no mask, I think I’d rather see no jeans but I hope you at least had a decent pyjama bottoms on you! :eek:

normanoffside · 02-10-2020 08:36PM

majcos wrote: »

Yes. It’s possible that admissions in Dublin are not all from Dublin. The case will be assigned in count for counties by their usual residential address but admission will be listed by the hospital location.

You seem to be well informed and thanks for your answers.

Question: Would it not be better to designate say 1 Dublin Hospital as a Covid Hospital and send all covid patients (regardless of reason of admittance) to that Hospital?

Would this not free up capacity in other hospitals for non-covid things and get things running more efficiently?

It's something I've always thought would be more economical on beds, staff etc.

coastwatch · 02-10-2020 08:43PM

majcos wrote: »

Absolutely. I wasn’t counting those as they would be tested at the point of admission so I didn’t really think of them as in house testing. They would be tested in ED and admitted for treatment as a suspected case with isolation precautions. Most patients admitted with Covid would end up getting a test in hospital laboratory.

I was thinking of in house testing as testing for those patients who had already been in hospital for a number of days or weeks.

It may have been explained already, but what is a suspected case?
Is it any patient who has been tested and waiting on result, or any patient with some type of symptom? Roughly what percentage of suspected cases become confirmed positive?

Widdensushi · 02-10-2020 08:44PM

normanoffside wrote: »

You seem to be well informed and thanks for your answers.

Question: Would it not be better to designate say 1 Dublin Hospital as a Covid Hospital and send all covid patients (regardless of reason of admittance) to that Hospital?

Would this not free up capacity in other hospitals for non-covid things and get things running more efficiently?

It's something I've always thought would be more economical on beds, staff etc.

Everyone admitted is assumed to have covid untill proven otherwise, obviously you have a point that a focused hospital would be best, maybe we should build one like the children's hospital we are waiting for

podgeandrodge · 02-10-2020 08:44PM

Going to a Dublin hotel next week (as holiday in Cork/Kerry cancelled).

Rang 3 hotels - first 2 said they were closing bar service at 9pm for residents due to "the restrictions". One of them 'explained' that you can't be more than 105 minutes in the bar where food was served, but said if you moved to the lobby (which had ample space) you can't be served there.
Another hotel, the one I booked, said you could have a drink 40 minutes before food, and for 1 hour after the food. But again you couldn't get a drink once you had to leave the food area except for to your room.

What's with all this? I looked at level 3 restrictions and they simply say "services for residents only". So if they can serve booze indoors, why aren't they serving until 11.30pm as per the 'rules'.

Plumbthedepths · 02-10-2020 08:46PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Sadly that's the case and for varying reasons like money mainly and some not being able to handle being around their kids so often.
Then you have a few who think that socialisation is more important than health.
.

Another disgraceful and ignorant comment from you, although no surprise.

DevilsHaircut · 02-10-2020 08:47PM

normanoffside wrote: »

From here:

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1312085563214880769

As Wolf said, at 8am last Friday there were 100 cases in hospital (HSE operations report).

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-2000-25-september-2020.pdf

At 8am today, there were 117 cases in hospital (Covid hub).

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

Duke of Url · 02-10-2020 08:52PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Another disgraceful and ignorant comment from you, although no surprise.

Calm down there Karen. I work with many people around the world who have said they can’t wait to get there kids back to school so they could work at home in peace. It’s not just an Irish thing.

spookwoman · 02-10-2020 08:53PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Another disgraceful and ignorant comment from you, although no surprise.

I must introduce you to someone on the estate who has a number of antisocial kids who has been know to say to anyone without kids that they are lucky.

Plumbthedepths · 02-10-2020 08:53PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Eagle eye must either hate his kids or not have any. Either way it is disgusting.

He has kids who will be kept at home until a successful vaccine is available but seems to have a serious comprehension problem that he cannot understand how others are not driven by fear as he is.
Just constant smearing of other parents as being irresponsible.
Maybe he hates other people's kids, he did describe them as Guinea pigs.

Micky 32 · 02-10-2020 08:59PM

Nice feck up here :

“An investigation is underway into how results of Covid tests carried out at a Longford nursing home were initially deemed positive, before re-tests of staff clarified they were in fact negative.

On Tuesday the HSE informed the Laurel Lodge Nursing home in Longford town that there had been some positive results from Covid 19 screening tests taken at the facility.

Laurel Lodge immediately suspended all visiting and implemented its Covid 19 protocols including contacting families of residents despite all staff and residents being symptom-free and not showing any indication of the virus.

However, hours later, a HSE official informed the facility, which has 114 residents, that there was a query over testing results in the context where they had recently commenced using a new laboratory to analyse swabs.

The staff members were subsequently re-tested on Wednesday and found to be negative.

The facility then wrote to families of residents to inform them that they were delighted that the virus was not detected among staff and the previously reported positive results were incorrect.

The nursing home has welcomed the confirmation it is Covid free but is urging people not to be complacent in light of increased community transmission.

The HSE has been contacted for a statement.”

ShyMets · 02-10-2020 09:05PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Another disgraceful and ignorant comment from you, although no surprise.

His posts are some of the most condescending on this forum and he's up against some pretty stiff competition

Polar101 · 02-10-2020 09:10PM

George Lee on RTE news saying we are on the right track and restrictions are working.

..have I woken up in an alternative universe, or what is going on?

ixoy · 02-10-2020 09:14PM

The_Brood wrote: »

This is another reason why the current "let's just see how it goes" partial-lockdown approach is shambolic: We are constantly being punished for the wrong doings of others.

That's the bit I'm finding very frustrating too. I'm very likely to have to cancel my holiday in the near future because it's outside of Dublin and even though I'm the person who is extremely likely to be infected (I'd have to meet people for that).

Knowing that if everyone behaved like I (and many others here of course) did, we'd actually be fine can be infuriating at times.

ACitizenErased · 02-10-2020 09:14PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Nice feck up here :

“An investigation is underway into how results of Covid tests carried out at a Longford nursing home were initially deemed positive, before re-tests of staff clarified they were in fact negative.

On Tuesday the HSE informed the Laurel Lodge Nursing home in Longford town that there had been some positive results from Covid 19 screening tests taken at the facility.

Laurel Lodge immediately suspended all visiting and implemented its Covid 19 protocols including contacting families of residents despite all staff and residents being symptom-free and not showing any indication of the virus.

However, hours later, a HSE official informed the facility, which has 114 residents, that there was a query over testing results in the context where they had recently commenced using a new laboratory to analyse swabs.

The staff members were subsequently re-tested on Wednesday and found to be negative.

The facility then wrote to families of residents to inform them that they were delighted that the virus was not detected among staff and the previously reported positive results were incorrect.

The nursing home has welcomed the confirmation it is Covid free but is urging people not to be complacent in light of increased community transmission.

The HSE has been contacted for a statement.”

Quite a few false positives there. You'd wonder is that happening in the community too.

Eod100 · 02-10-2020 09:15PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Going to a Dublin hotel next week (as holiday in Cork/Kerry cancelled).

Rang 3 hotels - first 2 said they were closing bar service at 9pm for residents due to "the restrictions". One of them 'explained' that you can't be more than 105 minutes in the bar where food was served, but said if you moved to the lobby (which had ample space) you can't be served there.
Another hotel, the one I booked, said you could have a drink 40 minutes before food, and for 1 hour after the food. But again you couldn't get a drink once you had to leave the food area except for to your room.

What's with all this? I looked at level 3 restrictions and they simply say "services for residents only". So if they can serve booze indoors, why aren't they serving until 11.30pm as per the 'rules'.

Could be staffing issues. If there's not many guests, might not be worth there while. Local off license still only open until 8pm due to covid so guess places might just decide there's not enough business after certain time say.

TonyMaloney · 02-10-2020 09:16PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Quite a few false positives there. You'd wonder is that happening in the community too.

it was a cock up in a new lab

says so above

odyssey06 · 02-10-2020 09:18PM

normanoffside wrote: »

You seem to be well informed and thanks for your answers.
Question: Would it not be better to designate say 1 Dublin Hospital as a Covid Hospital and send all covid patients (regardless of reason of admittance) to that Hospital?
Would this not free up capacity in other hospitals for non-covid things and get things running more efficiently?
It's something I've always thought would be more economical on beds, staff etc.

If someone is having an urgent major medical emergency e.g. heart attack (brought on by covid but the paramedics don't know that in the ambulance) how would you know where to send them?
Would you really send someone to a further hospital in the middle of a medical emergency as you think they have covid?

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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