Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

froog wrote: »

hope you are okay ACE. i disagree with almost everything you post but it's never personal.

we'll all be on a mad pint session anyway when this is over god willing

Deleted User wrote: »

Where does it say that they were admitted with covid rather than covid been the reason for their admission? Genuinely curious about this "with covid" business.

It doesn't. That's my point.

We only know how many people with covid are in hospital each day. But we don't know what they were admitted for in the first place.

Doesn't every new admission get tested?

Are you saying if I go into hospital for a scheduled surgery and get tested positive for Covid that I am not included as a Covid admission?

It stands to sense that if there is more covid in the community then there is going to be more covid in the hospitals but it does not necessarily mean that theya re all in hospital because of Covid.

I'd just like to know the numbers.

normanoffside wrote: »

It doesn't. That's my point.
We only know how many people with covid are in hospital each day. But we don't know what they were admitted for in the first place.
Doesn't every new admission get tested?
Are you saying if I go into hospital for a scheduled surgery and get tested positive for Covid that I am not included as a Covid admission?
It stands to sense that if there is more covid in the community then there is going to be more covid in the hospitals but it does not necessarily mean that theya re all in hospital because of Covid.
I'd just like to know the numbers.

i'd imagine if you didn't have Covid going into hospital for any other condition that you'd soon have it after being admitted...
Back when Dr. Holohan was in charge of the show, he approved elderly patients to be discharged from hospitals without being tested for Covid as they were taking up bed space... shows you what he thinks of the elderly...!

normanoffside wrote: »

It doesn't. That's my point.

We only know how many people with covid are in hospital each day. But we don't know what they were admitted for in the first place.

Doesn't every new admission get tested?

Are you saying if I go into hospital for a scheduled surgery and get tested positive for Covid that I am not included as a Covid admission?

It stands to sense that if there is more covid in the community then there is going to be more covid in the hospitals but it does not necessarily mean that theya re all in hospital because of Covid.

I'd just like to know the numbers.

If you are scheduled for elective surgery, you are tested before admission and if positive would not be admitted so you would not be counted in the hospital figures. You would be included in cases diagnosed but not counted as an admission.

majcos wrote: »

If you are scheduled for elective surgery, you are tested before admission and if positive would not be admitted so you would not be counted in the hospital figures. You would be included in cases diagnosed but not counted as an admission.

Fair point.
Surgery is a bad example, what happens if I am admitted for some unforeseen reason like an accident or a heat attack?

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

The definition of 'exponential growth' is increasing at a constant rate, like bank interest.

Prof Nolan pointed out that the constant (exponential) rate of growth in cases since July was 4% per day. And hospitalisations have also been growing exponentially (at 4%) since August.

I think it's 4% per week.

petes wrote: »

I was in hospital a couple weeks ago for a week, didn't have it going in and didn't get it in hospital either, you've a great imagination!

Do you consider that scientific proof that you can't get covid in hospitals or pure luck?

screamer wrote: »

I think we are far unhealthier than your average European, and sorry to say it, but we think we know better and have little respect for rules. It’s cultural and behavioural issues that are the difference.

I keep seeing these posts and its nonsense.

Posted I believe by people not particularly well travelled.

The Irish arent some lawless uneducated bog monsters as portrayed by many Irish themselves

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I keep seeing these posts and its nonsense.

Posted I believe by people not particularly well travelled.

The Irish arent some lawless uneducated bog monsters as portrayed by many Irish themselves

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Overweight_and_obesity_-_BMI_statistics


were in the top half of being overweight in Europe but not the highest, what the deal with Portugal?

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

As awful as it sounds, you could take a silver lining and say that the more infected over time, the closer to herd immunity and the lower the amount of remaining people that can be infected.

but were getting to the point the cases in the community are spreading to more vulnerable people so thats not a silver lining

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

As awful as it sounds, you could take a silver lining and say that the more infected over time, the closer to herd immunity and the lower the amount of remaining people that can be infected.

I don’t think we could keep up 1,000 cases per day.

Isn't herd immunity still completely unproven?

normanoffside wrote: »

Fair point.
Surgery is a bad example, what happens if I am admitted for some unforeseen reason like an accident or a heat attack?

You will be counted as a Covid admission in both those scenarios.

There is a possibility that your heart attack may have been caused by Covid. It causes thrombosis so that could cause a heart attack on its own or make existing coronary artery disease worse. If you already have atherosclerosis which is hardening and narrowing your arteries, a thrombosis or clot in that already narrowed artery may turn that narrowing into a complete blockage leading to heart attack.

If you are in a weakened state with heart failure after a heart attack has damaged your heart muscle, Covid will definitely not help. Lungs fill with fluid in heart failure and breathing may already be compromised so getting Covid could be the final straw.

Of course heart attacks happened long before Covid, but it could seriously impact your outcome from a heart attack so definitely would be counted. It might also be difficult to distinguish which disease was causing your symptoms of shortness of breath, fatigue, etc. so both would be included in your diagnosis.

In the case of an accident, if major enough to warrant hospitalisation and need surgery, Covid could also have an impact on the outcome. Post-op pneumonia is a big risk after major trauma/surgery and can be the final killer. Covid would add to this.

The other reason for including Covid diagnosis in hospital count regardless of reason for admission is that a diagnosis within the hospital whether symptomatic or not has a major operational impact on that hospital. Use of isolation rooms, use of isolation protocols for any radiology or procedures needed, use of PPE, time to put on and take off PPE, cleaning of hospital room, risk of spread to other more vulnerable patient groups such as oncology patients, etc., etc., etc.

The major positive thing we have going for us now, hopefully at least, is the (hopefully) large percentage of positive cases currently, who are asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic. Back in march, April may, you could only be tested if you were displaying 2 or more symptoms. Presumably the likelihood of hospitalisation is related to the severity of infection and thus symptoms, so even though the numbers now are tending towards the numbers from the early days, the hospital numbers are low as many don't need to be admitted. And may it long stay that way.

majcos wrote: »

Not so stable in Letterkenny. Small numbers but it has gone from two admitted cases there on Sunday night to eight admitted cases as of last night.

Positives from in house testing are even more scary. That could suggest spread within the hospital from other patients or staff. If person is being admitted for something elective, they are screened before admission and not admitted if positive unless sick from Covid. If person tests positive while in hospital with something else, that’s hardly good news. Now as well as recovering from a stroke or heart attack, they have Covid to fight off.

Positive from in-house testing can also mean someone symptomatic with covid in the community has such bad symptoms they need hospital care and call for an ambulance etc... They would be admitted, isolated and treated while being tested.

This whole idea about most hospital figures are from asymptomatic patients being tested for elective surgery wouldn't account for admissions and testing at weekends as there wouldn't be much elective surgery at weekends.

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Do you consider that scientific proof that you can't get covid in hospitals or pure luck?

Not quite what you implied though.