veterinary vampires

kerry cow · 02-10-2020 11:29am #1

looks like our new minister of agriculture ,sees an end insight for the eradication of TB , dont worry the vets won't go hungry .they are going to continue to feed off the farmers , with the axe falling on the licenced merchants ,

yet it has been good enough for them to service us all the years gone .
its the veterinary club looking after each other and seeing the TB gravy train will finish up .
so it a case of tie up the dosing and the vaccine market .

how have our farm representatives allowed this is beyond me , how weak we are represented .

omicron · 02-10-2020 1:39pm

Complain about having to pay for testing.

Complain about having to get a veterinary prescription for prescription products.

And then probably complain when there's no vet available to do a section for you at 3am.

endainoz · 02-10-2020 3:05pm

omicron wrote: »

Complain about having to pay for testing.

Complain about having to get a veterinary prescription for prescription products.

And then probably complain when there's no vet available to do a section for you at 3am.

Absolutely agree, this "money racket for the vets" is nearly a conspiracy theory at this stage. People should have a good friendly relationship with their vets, not the other way around.

Cattlepen · 02-10-2020 3:07pm

omicron wrote: »

Complain about having to pay for testing.

Complain about having to get a veterinary prescription for prescription products.

And then probably complain when there's no vet available to do a section for you at 3am.

Sorry but the vet is NOT expected to do a section for free. They charge a fee and are hopefully paid. The 3 am in the morning bit goes with the job.
Tb testing has been a testimonial for vets for years and now, as the other poster has said, they want the wormers and vaccines to themselves. No deals to be done for these products anymore

kerry cow · 02-10-2020 3:27pm

is it not a conflict of interest prescribing and dispensing .

why can the vet not call out at the beginning of the year , do a health plan for the herd and write his herd prescription and let the farmer buy it off what ever merchant is most competitive .
its bull **** to prescribe something that your are selling .

and furthermore how can a vet allow his staff dispense products today and yesterday and next week when sometimes he's 5 miles away in a van .

rotten I think .

and surprise there are so many uneducated muffets on here .

jaymla627 · 02-10-2020 5:06pm

kerry cow wrote: »

looks like our new minister of agriculture ,sees an end insight for the eradication of TB , dont worry the vets won't go hungry .they are going to continue to feed off the farmers , with the axe falling on the licenced merchants ,

yet it has been good enough for them to service us all the years gone .
its the veterinary club looking after each other and seeing the TB gravy train will finish up .
so it a case of tie up the dosing and the vaccine market .

how have our farm representatives allowed this is beyond me , how weak we are represented .

If tb testing was ever scrapped, you would simply have a johnes mandatory test our mycoplasma bovis test to fill the void, it was a bit Irish that with the end of bruceillois testing, mandatory bvd testing was rolled out, to keep the labs in work, was it a 3 our 5 year time frame given for herds at the time that where continously pi free would of been exempted from further testing, whatever happened their

endainoz · 02-10-2020 5:13pm

kerry cow wrote: »

is it not a conflict of interest prescribing and dispensing .

why can the vet not call out at the beginning of the year , do a health plan for the herd and write his herd prescription and let the farmer buy it off what ever merchant is most competitive .
its bull **** to prescribe something that your are selling .

and furthermore how can a vet allow his staff dispense products today and yesterday and next week when sometimes he's 5 miles away in a van .

rotten I think .

and surprise there are so many uneducated muffets on here .

Where are you getting this information that co ops won't be allowed to sell products anymore? Theres absolutely nothing stopping anyone do a herd health plan because vets prefer prevention rather than cure so they would all welcome it. A health plan is pretty easy to do if you have a rough idea what kind of diseases might be in your area.

If the problem is that regular off the shelf items need prescriptions, that means that they are being overused and need to be reduced. Can definitely see ivermectin going that way, as has been discussed here before.

Your third point makes no sense to me anyway.

Maybe the other uneducated "muffetts" could explain it to me.

endainoz · 02-10-2020 5:16pm

jaymla627 wrote: »

If tb testing was ever scrapped, you would simply have a johnes mandatory test our mycoplasma bovis test to fill the void, it was a bit Irish that with the end of bruceillois testing, mandatory bvd testing was rolled out, to keep the labs in work, was it a 3 our 5 year time frame given for herds at the time that where continously pi free would of been exempted from further testing, whatever happened their

I'd agree with that, the BVD eradication scheme is a joke alright. How long is it going on now, 7 years?

Bitten & Hisses · 02-10-2020 5:31pm

omicron wrote: »

Complain about having to pay for testing.

Complain about having to get a veterinary prescription for prescription products.

And then probably complain when there's no vet available to do a section for you at 3am.

This. The vet practice I use isn't cheap, but I feel I get excellent value for money from them. Considering the 24/7 nature of the service, I won't complain about having to buy doses or vaccines from them.

kk.man · 02-10-2020 5:33pm

kerry cow wrote: »

looks like our new minister of agriculture ,sees an end insight for the eradication of TB , dont worry the vets won't go hungry .they are going to continue to feed off the farmers , with the axe falling on the licenced merchants ,

yet it has been good enough for them to service us all the years gone .
its the veterinary club looking after each other and seeing the TB gravy train will finish up .
so it a case of tie up the dosing and the vaccine market .

how have our farm representatives allowed this is beyond me , how weak we are represented .

They have been talking about eradication of TB since I was a boy.

kerry cow · 02-10-2020 5:50pm

endainoz wrote:

Your third point makes no sense to me anyway.

veterinary staff are not allowed dispense out antibiotics to a farmer , its the vet that should dispense it , but we see all over the country , the counter assistant dispensing , so it ok for the vet to be in his van on the road , all awhile his girl in the office giving out the antibiotics but a licenced merchant cannt do what he has been doing for years with vaccines and dosing

so I hope you understand what I am saying and if not please do say and I can repeat it again .
vets secretary's are not allowed dispense antibiotics , its the vet that needs to be onsite to do that .

its a conflict of interest , the situation we are in and its anti competitive and infact vets shouldn't be allowed prescribe and supply , it unethical really .
but its all about money and the farm organisation should be ashamed of them selves .

endainoz · 02-10-2020 6:26pm

kerry cow wrote: »

veterinary staff are not allowed dispense out antibiotics to a farmer , its the vet that should dispense it , but we see all over the country , the counter assistant dispensing , so it ok for the vet to be in his van on the road , all awhile his girl in the office giving out the antibiotics but a licenced merchant cannt do what he has been doing for years with vaccines and dosing

so I hope you understand what I am saying and if not please do say and I can repeat it again .
vets secretary's are not allowed dispense antibiotics , its the vet that needs to be onsite to do that .

its a conflict of interest , the situation we are in and its anti competitive and infact vets shouldn't be allowed prescribe and supply , it unethical really .
but its all about money and the farm organisation should be ashamed of them selves .

"Vets secretaries, his girl in the office?" Christ man is your vet from the 1950s or what? Plenty of female vets out there, and most I've dealt with are better than the men. You still haven't said where you heard this news. If you can link an article I'd happily look at it.

When could you get antibiotics off a local co op? Do you want people to open up vetenary pharmacies or what so you don't have to pay your vet for them?

ganmo · 02-10-2020 6:31pm

kerry cow wrote: »

veterinary staff are not allowed dispense out antibiotics to a farmer , its the vet that should dispense it , but we see all over the country , the counter assistant dispensing , so it ok for the vet to be in his van on the road , all awhile his girl in the office giving out the antibiotics but a licenced merchant cannt do what he has been doing for years with vaccines and dosing

so I hope you understand what I am saying and if not please do say and I can repeat it again .
vets secretary's are not allowed dispense antibiotics , its the vet that needs to be onsite to do that .

its a conflict of interest , the situation we are in and its anti competitive and infact vets shouldn't be allowed prescribe and supply , it unethical really .
but its all about money and the farm organisation should be ashamed of them selves .

The 'girl at the counter' is a vet nurse. So just like how nurses are allowed to prescribe certain drugs so are vet nurses.

What vaccines are POM? I thought merchants didnt handle the special ones solely down to the short shelf life.

Tonynewholland · 02-10-2020 6:43pm

ganmo wrote: »

The 'girl at the counter' is a vet nurse. So just like how nurses are allowed to prescribe certain drugs so are vet nurses.

What vaccines are POM? I thought merchants didnt handle the special ones solely down to the short shelf life.

I wouldn’t say many are veterinary nurses to be fair.
It’s a European rule change coming in 2022
it will lead to less competition which isn’t good for farmers what ever way you look at it.

Base price · 02-10-2020 7:00pm

ganmo wrote: »

The 'girl at the counter' is a vet nurse. So just like how nurses are allowed to prescribe certain drugs so are vet nurses.

What vaccines are POM? I thought merchants didnt handle the special ones solely down to the short shelf life.

AFAIK it's more to do with cattle/sheep doses
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/department-urged-to-protect-agri-stores-from-veterinary-medicine-supply-changes/
Edit to add - when I asked our Vet recently about this new legislation she said that there would be no charge for issuing a prescription. As I have stated previously, our Vet is the third most important person on this farm (after both of us) and the professional relationship that we have with her and her practice (other Vets) is paramount.

Lady Haywire · 02-10-2020 7:24pm

kerry cow wrote: »

veterinary staff are not allowed dispense out antibiotics to a farmer , its the vet that should dispense it , but we see all over the country , the counter assistant dispensing , so it ok for the vet to be in his van on the road , all awhile his girl in the office giving out the antibiotics but a licenced merchant cannt do what he has been doing for years with vaccines and dosing

so I hope you understand what I am saying and if not please do say and I can repeat it again .
vets secretary's are not allowed dispense antibiotics , its the vet that needs to be onsite to do that .

its a conflict of interest , the situation we are in and its anti competitive and infact vets shouldn't be allowed prescribe and supply , it unethical really .
but its all about money and the farm organisation should be ashamed of them selves .

I'm pretty sure (not certain) that the 'girl in the office' in my vets has done a course or something similar which allows her to dispense the medicines. There's certainly some cert up with her name on it. Will look closer next time.
And I tell you what, she's as good as any vet, better than a couple I've known in fact. The other 'secretary' is a veterinary nurse. In fact, the only one which I know nothing about is a man who works behind the counter.
As it is, there's usually a vet in the back doing small animals anyway so if you didn't want the girl serving, I'm sure you could be ignorant & take them away from a spaying or something to sell you something.
I buy our wormers etc from the vets, unless they don't have what I want. Why? Because they offer a service I require 24/7 & am glad to pay for. You mustn't have a very good working relationship built up with yours when you're stooping to name calling.

Westernrock · 02-10-2020 7:40pm

Cattlepen wrote: »

Sorry but the vet is NOT expected to do a section for free. They charge a fee and are hopefully paid. The 3 am in the morning bit goes with the job.
Tb testing has been a testimonial for vets for years and now, as the other poster has said, they want the workers and vaccines to themselves. No deals to be done for these products anymore

Good luck when the corporate companies take over and you have to pay what it really costs for your section at 3am!! The fact that you think it goes with the job is testament to the vets in this country who put the healthcare system to shame day in day out.

endainoz · 02-10-2020 7:47pm

Base price wrote: »

AFAIK it's more to do with cattle/sheep doses
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/department-urged-to-protect-agri-stores-from-veterinary-medicine-supply-changes/
Edit to add - when I asked our Vet recently about this new legislation she said that there would be no charge for issuing a prescription. As I have stated previously, our Vet is the third most important person on this farm (after both of us) and the professional relationship that we have with her and her practice (other Vets) is paramount.

It just seems like the OP has an issue with their local vet. I get on great with my own vets too, especially in my earlier farming days when I admittedly didn't have 5% of the knowledge I have now. They were always very understanding, and while they may be expensive their service is always been fantastic.

When I went into them about doing a health plan which was required for organics, they were very enthusiastic and we're more than happy to help.

Westernrock · 02-10-2020 7:53pm

Cattlepen wrote: »

Sorry but the vet is NOT expected to do a section for free. They charge a fee and are hopefully paid. The 3 am in the morning bit goes with the job.
Tb testing has been a testimonial for vets for years and now, as the other poster has said, they want the workers and vaccines to themselves. No deals to be done for these products anymore

Good luck when the corporate companies take over and you have to pay what it really costs for your section at 3am!! The fact that you think it goes with the job is testament to the vets in this country who put the healthcare system to shame day in day out.

kerry cow · 02-10-2020 7:55pm

endainoz wrote:

It just seems like the OP has an issue with their local vet. I get on great with my own vets too, especially in my earlier farming days when I admittedly didn't have 5% of the knowledge I have now. They were always very understanding, and while they may be expensive their service is always been fantastic.

don't have a issue with my vet .

Donegalforever · 02-10-2020 7:56pm

kerry cow wrote: »

looks like our new minister of agriculture ,sees an end insight for the eradication of TB , dont worry the vets won't go hungry .they are going to continue to feed off the farmers , with the axe falling on the licenced merchants ,

yet it has been good enough for them to service us all the years gone .
its the veterinary club looking after each other and seeing the TB gravy train will finish up .
so it a case of tie up the dosing and the vaccine market .

how have our farm representatives allowed this is beyond me , how weak we are represented .

There is no doubt the cost of "medicines" from Veterinary practices will be a lot higher than from licensed merchants.

For example from my own experience, Spirovac collected from a Veterinary practice was €88.
The same item was €50 from a large licensed merchants.

I think the vets could play a bit fairer and still make a good profit.

kerry cow · 02-10-2020 7:57pm

ganmo wrote:

The 'girl at the counter' is a vet nurse. So just like how nurses are allowed to prescribe certain drugs so are vet nurses.

ganmo wrote:

What vaccines are POM? I thought merchants didnt handle the special ones solely down to the short shelf life.

not all the counter staff are vet nurses ,

bovi vac S is a vaccine that needs a POM

rotovac corona is another .

kerry cow · 02-10-2020 8:03pm

endainoz wrote:

"Vets secretaries, his girl in the office?" Christ man is your vet from the 1950s or what? Plenty of female vets out there, and most I've dealt with are better than the men. You still haven't said where you heard this news. If you can link an article I'd happily look at it.

firstly , I didn't discount any female vets , they are equally , better than their male counter part ,

secondly , I was making the piont that their are many girls or boys deepening who are not vets or pharmacist and just because you have a licence merchants course done and just because the vet who might happen to be out of the office in his van 6 miles away ,doesn't give that office person the right to dispense a prescription .

and once I link the legislation , you can then apologise for jumping all over me , and if I can nt link it , then I will reciprocate it .

Dinzee Conlee · 02-10-2020 8:25pm

Donegalforever wrote: »

There is no doubt the cost of "medicines" from Veterinary practices will be a lot higher than from licensed merchants.

For example from my own experience, Spirovac collected from a Veterinary practice was €88.
The same item was €50 from a large licensed merchants.

I think the vets could play a bit fairer and still make a good profit.

It always makes me smile when I read things like this...

We say vets are too expensive. They should be the same price as the big merchants...

But then, we go ape**** at consumers going to the big supermarkets to buy steaks when they are on offer - we cry foul, and say the supermarket is selling too cheap...
We say people should go to their local butcher...

As to the OP - I don’t know the detail of the incoming changes. I do think vets in his country don’t get paid much for what’s a hard job, and the service they provide...

omicron · 02-10-2020 8:29pm

Donegalforever wrote: »

There is no doubt the cost of "medicines" from Veterinary practices will be a lot higher than from licensed merchants.

For example from my own experience, Spirovac collected from a Veterinary practice was €88.
The same item was €50 from a large licensed merchants.

I think the vets could play a bit fairer and still make a good profit.

Vet practice is probably buying it in for a lot more than the coop is selling it. Drug companies give the licenced merchants etc massive discounts to stock their vaccine instead of the competitors.

Sheep breeder · 02-10-2020 8:54pm

kerry cow wrote: »

veterinary staff are not allowed dispense out antibiotics to a farmer , its the vet that should dispense it , but we see all over the country , the counter assistant dispensing , so it ok for the vet to be in his van on the road , all awhile his girl in the office giving out the antibiotics but a licenced merchant cannt do what he has been doing for years with vaccines and dosing

so I hope you understand what I am saying and if not please do say and I can repeat it again .
vets secretary's are not allowed dispense antibiotics , its the vet that needs to be onsite to do that .

its a conflict of interest , the situation we are in and its anti competitive and infact vets shouldn't be allowed prescribe and supply , it unethical really .
but its all about money and the farm organisation should be ashamed of them selves .

Do you not get on with your vet or what, as for getting drugs from the vet nurse seems to be up setting you, no body is over using drugs at today’s cost.

ganmo · 02-10-2020 10:06pm

The move to get corporate money into vet practices I believe is the result of a certain Barron...I've been told he has invested in a large practice in kildare. And I wouldn't be surprised if the same practice is developing an online shop to jump.on the proposed change

Coolfresian · 02-10-2020 10:31pm

The vet is the most important person to your farm. We are very lucky to have the veterinary service we have in this country. Not sure how lads expect to be able to call on a vet at any time of the day or night for just the call out fee. If there was no tb testing or likewise I doubt we d have vets to call on. For the service we get, the cost is great value.

Donegalforever · 02-10-2020 10:47pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

It always makes me smile when I read things like this...

We say vets are too expensive. They should be the same price as the big merchants...

But then, we go ape**** at consumers going to the big supermarkets to buy steaks when they are on offer - we cry foul, and say the supermarket is selling too cheap...
We say people should go to their local butcher...

As to the OP - I don’t know the detail of the incoming changes. I do think vets in his country don’t get paid much for what’s a hard job, and the service they provide...

I never said that Vets are generally too expensive.
I pointed out the excessive mark-up I encountered.
In the example I gave the Vet was 76% more expensive that the Merchant.
Can that be justified? I doubt not.
(Perhaps you are not smiling to yourself now).

Donegalforever · 02-10-2020 10:50pm

omicron wrote: »

Vet practice is probably buying it in for a lot more than the coop is selling it. Drug companies give the licenced merchants etc massive discounts to stock their vaccine instead of the competitors.

Where the Vets are part of a large group they should be in a good bargaining position.

Dinzee Conlee · 02-10-2020 11:20pm

Donegalforever wrote: »

I never said that Vets are generally too expensive.
I pointed out the excessive mark-up I encountered.
In the example I gave the Vet was 76% more expensive that the Merchant.
Can that be justified? I doubt not.
(Perhaps you are not smiling to yourself now).

No - still smiling - see

I take your point - we should shop around, shop at large merchants and not use local vets as they are too expensive...

Another smiley there for kicks...

kerry cow · 03-10-2020 8:20am

if you could get your drugs and vaccines at a massively reduced price , for which you really should , only for the massive mark up , then you are
a happy customer . should be allowed a script and shop anywhere .

then if the vet charges you 120 or 150 euro to call out , he may or may not prescribe a drug .
you would be up in arms about his price .
then you'd be complaining about his charge .
yet if you believe he is providing a good service then pay him and shut up .

but the reality is the vet masks it all with a high drug price and also supplies the remedy .
crazy really .
fine the vet needs his drug on the day of a visit , if its a emergency ,but otherwise you should get a script and shop where you like .

some people cannt see the wood from the trees .
the vet need to stop hiding behind the cost of drugs , tb , vaccines , and now dosing.

how much a hour is a vet ?

you get people working shift work all the time , nurses ,doctors , pilots , hauliers , factories ,electricans and fitters , so why can a vet not provide a service 24 /7
that what they sign up to when you open a large animal practice ,
so how much a hour is a vet , we know what a bale of silage costs , a ton of meal .
the problem here is the vet has the farmer in a position of weak ness , and now the domineering is getting worse and farmers are paralysed.

luckily I don't rely on the vet that much , I use vaccination , minerals , good long dry period ,good housing , roads and its keeps him out .

I don't like the way they take advantage of farmers and the charged for the small animals is just another story entirely .
thankfully been educated stops the inferior complex , that the vet is above me ,

if your doctor operated like your vet , you'd be up in arms ,

_Brian · 03-10-2020 8:26am

Can’t say anything against our vet practice, we don’t use massive volumes of wormers but always buy them in the practice, always a nurse on the counter.

Vets treat us very fairly, no problem getting a vet when we need one and I’ve no problem paying a premium for out of hours calls, your paying them for unsocial hours worked and nobody does that for free. When I worked in industry I wouldn’t go in out of hours for anything less than double time ( mostly double time In liu rather than pay) I know lads in local creamery on maintenance and they are on triple time for callouts.

Seeing the attitudes shown here is exactly why I’m reluctant to encourage my daughter to vetinary even though she is very keen at the moment.

I’m our area female vets probably outnumber male vets and we find them easier to deal with and mostly better outcomes.

kerry cow · 03-10-2020 8:32am

Dinzee Conlee wrote:

As to the OP - I donâ€™t know the detail of the incoming changes. I do think vets in his country donâ€™t get paid much for whatâ€™s a hard job, and the service they provide...

why not , why not charge for their service and then see what the farmer mood is , stop masking it .

let the farmer see the real value of the vet .

Pkiernan · 03-10-2020 8:38am

kerry cow wrote: »

if you could get your beef from Brazil at a massively reduced price , for which you really should , only for the massive mark up , then you are
a happy customer ...

Changed a couple of words in your post that might be relevant.

kerry cow · 03-10-2020 8:38am

imagine if you wanted to spray weeds but you could only use a registered contractor ,there was only 3 in the greater area , and they supplied the chemical too , but you can buy it anywhere , and you felt so luck to have them because the weed would over run you .

or if you were not allowed store diesel on your farm but a truck would come to fill you ,

or you could not service you tractor filters because the main dealer has to come do it , not matter if it the 30 yr old scraper tractor ,
he supplies the filter and labour , charged you a arm and a leg , but sure it had to be done , especially if its regulation , once a year ,

by God we' d all be funked over ,

it may all come to pass .

see unless we are retarded , we can actually do something ourselves .

Ave Sodalis · 03-10-2020 8:44am

Veterinary Medicine has the highest rate of suicide of any profession, and it's not hard to see why.

They go to college to learn more than what the average doctor learns, in a shorter space of time. They work crazy hours. They have to work with animals that can't tell them what's going on and often owners that won't. They face death on a daily basis and still have to slap on a smile as they run to the next client. They often barely have time to eat as they rush from one emergency to the next, trying their best to be in two places at once. They witness the worst of animal abuse, and they can't always do something about it. They're there 24/7, in any weather, every day of the year so that, on a fundamental level at least, farmers can continue to try and make a profit

And yet, they're called vampires. They're called leeches. For every good client which understands how things are, there's a terrible one who abuses staff. They get yelled at for not being able to save an animal that should have been taken in days ago. They get screamed at for not automatically knowing exactly what's wrong with an animal without running diagnostics. They get talked down to and mocked by people who "know better". They get told on a regular basis that they don't care about the animals they have dedicated their lives to saving, because they have to make money in order to pay to get in the medications to save the animals in the first place, or to help cover the costs of a new piece of equipment. What would take 10 human doctors, it takes one vet who is paid a pittance in comparison to just one of those human doctors.

I, for one, will remain eternally grateful I don't live in America and we only have to pay a tiny fraction of what they do.

_Brian · 03-10-2020 8:52am

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

Veterinary Medicine has the highest rate of suicide of any profession, and it's not hard to see why.

They go to college to learn more than what the average doctor learns, in a shorter space of time. They work crazy hours. They have to work with animals that can't tell them what's going on and often owners that won't. They face death on a daily basis and still have to slap on a smile as they run to the next client. They often barely have time to eat as they rush from one emergency to the next, trying their best to be in two places at once. They witness the worst of animal abuse, and they can't always do something about it. They're there 24/7, in any weather, every day of the year so that, on a fundamental level at least, farmers can continue to try and make a profit

And yet, they're called vampires. They're called leeches. For every good client which understands how things are, there's a terrible one who abuses staff. They get yelled at for not being able to save an animal that should have been taken in days ago. They get screamed at for not automatically knowing exactly what's wrong with an animal without running diagnostics. They get talked down to and mocked by people who "know better". They get told on a regular basis that they don't care about the animals they have dedicated their lives to saving, because they have to make money in order to pay to get in the medications to save the animals in the first place, or to help cover the costs of a new piece of equipment. What would take 10 human doctors, it takes one vet who is paid a pittance in comparison to just one of those human doctors.

I, for one, will remain eternally grateful I don't live in America and we only have to pay a tiny fraction of what they do.

Huge mistake by farmers is that because they chose a profession that is poorly paid and doesn’t recognise unsocial hours they think everyone should be willing to do the same. I saw plenty of that when servicing milking machines and doing emergency calls.

The world has moved on and people value their time. If you want a get at 3am your going to have to pay for unsocial hours calls.

Ave Sodalis · 03-10-2020 9:04am

_Brian wrote:

The world has moved on and people value their time. If you want a get at 3am your going to have to pay for unsocial hours calls.

I don't even think that vets mind the 3am calls, if they are to a respectful farmer who isn't gonna go off on one.

I actually forgot to add to that post that I know most veterinary practices (and majority of large animal professionals that I've come across) have enough in their unpaid fees ledgers that they could build at least one, if not several more practices.

whelan2 · 03-10-2020 9:08am

Daughter has an interest in becoming a vet. She would I think make a good one. I am trying to steer her away from it tbh. Too many moany farmers to be dealing with

ganmo · 03-10-2020 9:17am

What made me turn away from wanting to be a vet was the realisation I'd be dealing with sick animals and only sick animals

White Clover · 03-10-2020 9:17am

As far as I can see on this thread, most farmers are very happy with the service and charges from their Vets.
I know I am anyway, if I was looking for a doctor to come to my house at 3am in the morning, what's the chance of that happening?
I'm only a small farmer, but, the level of service received from our Vets is unbelievable, for a very reasonable charge. I also buy vaccines, doses and minerals from them at very reasonable rates.
You won't miss them until they're gone.

Ave Sodalis · 03-10-2020 9:23am

whelan2 wrote:

Daughter has an interest in becoming a vet. She would I think make a good one. I am trying to steer her away from it tbh. Too many moany farmers to be dealing with

Smalls aren't a whole lot different to be honest! Try telling a cat owner that their feline is morbidly obese and is dying because of it. Or their dog needs 20 tooth extractions because they haven't had a dental in 6 years. They may pay on time more often, but furmammies exist and they can be worse than the Karens of retail. A friend of mine has had death threats, and from what I've heard, it's not an uncommon thing.

Westernrock · 03-10-2020 9:23am

kerry cow wrote: »

if you could get your drugs and vaccines at a massively reduced price , for which you really should , only for the massive mark up , then you are
a happy customer . should be allowed a script and shop anywhere .

then if the vet charges you 120 or 150 euro to call out , he may or may not prescribe a drug .
you would be up in arms about his price .
then you'd be complaining about his charge .
yet if you believe he is providing a good service then pay him and shut up .

but the reality is the vet masks it all with a high drug price and also supplies the remedy .
crazy really .
fine the vet needs his drug on the day of a visit , if its a emergency ,but otherwise you should get a script and shop where you like .

some people cannt see the wood from the trees .
the vet need to stop hiding behind the cost of drugs , tb , vaccines , and now dosing.

how much a hour is a vet ?

you get people working shift work all the time , nurses ,doctors , pilots , hauliers , factories ,electricans and fitters , so why can a vet not provide a service 24 /7
that what they sign up to when you open a large animal practice ,
so how much a hour is a vet , we know what a bale of silage costs , a ton of meal .
the problem here is the vet has the farmer in a position of weak ness , and now the domineering is getting worse and farmers are paralysed.

luckily I don't rely on the vet that much , I use vaccination , minerals , good long dry period ,good housing , roads and its keeps him out .

I don't like the way they take advantage of farmers and the charged for the small animals is just another story entirely .
thankfully been educated stops the inferior complex , that the vet is above me ,

if your doctor operated like your vet , you'd be up in arms ,

Vets in the UK would charge per 10 minute block of time in a lot of areas for ball park £150/hour.

If your doctor operated like your vet a lot of people would be delighted! Appointments given to suit the client not the other way around, going above and beyond to accommodate part time farmers etc. Shorter waiting times, blood tests, X-rays, ultrasounds, mostly all carried out on site without referral.
Vets are professionals like accountants solicitors etc, how many accountants or solicitors would work for the money vets do? They don’t have anything near the costs a vet would and do all their work in their comfy office. They charge more than vets and don’t get asked for discounts or to pay months after the work was done.

You clearly think you are above your vet who is an anaesthetist, radiographer, ultrasonographer, gynaecologist, dermatologist, surgeon, obstetrician etc etc. I doubt you’d last a day trying to do a vets job never mind trying to run a practice, keep clients and suppliers happy and make a profit margin to allow staff to be paid to provide 24/7 service (that they signed up for) ðŸ™ˆðŸ™ˆðŸ€£ðŸ€£ðŸ€£

Mooooo · 03-10-2020 10:15am

No issue with our vets here, lads/ ladies in the office, well two in particular are excellent as well.
With regard to TB, it's a ****show, but i wouldnt say with regard to the vets doing their job, but due inaccuracy of the tests, to the pressure it can put on farm businesses with inadequate compensation etc. Department still consider farmers time and land cost at zero. Also the inability or unwillingness to deal with the wildlife causes of TB
With regard to medicines/ dosing / vaccines, as a country we are getting screwed on both animal and human prices of both, and not always due to the person selling it. If more controls need to be brought in with regard to sale fair enough but it should not reduce the competition for sale of said products

Lady Haywire · 03-10-2020 10:17am

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

I don't even think that vets mind the 3am calls, if they are to a respectful farmer who isn't gonna go off on one.

I actually forgot to add to that post that I know most veterinary practices (and majority of large animal professionals that I've come across) have enough in their unpaid fees ledgers that they could build at least one, if not several more practices.

If a vet arrives here at 3am, they get the offer of tea/coffee before even starting work, especially on a cold night. Vet/Farmer relationships can be as good or as bad as you make them.

I'm very happy to pay a callout fee, out of hours fee etc if the vet shows up in good time & does what s/he can. You won't win them all, that's for sure. But being a tightarse & tipping away with your own shots etc & only calling the vey out when the animal is on it's last legs is just stupid. And then it's the vet's fault. And there's also far too many farmers throwing too much antibiotics into animals when they don't need it.

TheBlackPill · 03-10-2020 10:18am

endainoz wrote: »

That's impossible to quantify, it all comes from the EU CAP budget. Many things are subsidized by European money. That "shovelled" money ensures you get affordable food at the supermarket. If you have genuine questions, the posters here will be happy to answer them. If your here to bash farmers, keep walking.

I agree if CAP disappeared overnight, there would he carnage, but there must be a better way..

TheBlackPill · 03-10-2020 10:20am

_Brian wrote: »

Huge mistake by farmers is that because they chose a profession that is poorly paid and doesn’t recognise unsocial hours they think everyone should be willing to do the same. I saw plenty of that when servicing milking machines and doing emergency calls.

The world has moved on and people value their time. If you want a get at 3am your going to have to pay for unsocial hours calls.

There is a big vocation element to choosing it too

kerry cow · 03-10-2020 11:21am

Pkiernan wrote:

Changed a couple of words in your post that might be relevant.

I didn't post that sentence ,so mod's might like to look into it , changing and inserting words of anothers post is dangerous thing to do .

Anto_Meath · 03-10-2020 11:24am

Couldn't praise our vets enough, 24 hour 365 day a year service was promised to my Dad by the founding Vets back in the 70's the current owners are still providing this. They also provide good advice over the phone & don't charge for that. They also run a good shop. But what I have noticed is if you pay for stuff on the day in the shop you could get up to a third of a discount over putting it on account.

kerry cow · 03-10-2020 11:35am

for the record ,

vets provide a excellent service i am very happy with my vet .

hope ye are all clear on that .
some just jump right in their and say kerry cow doesn't like the vet ,bla, bla .

my issue is with monopoly ,
my issue is with let a vet call at 3am .
but let be clear about the rates and charges ,
stop mashing it all in with high drug charges,
its a common practice all over the country , that we vet won't charge a proper call out fee .
and inturn we end up with the vet wanting to supply on POM our dosing and vaccines .

call a spade a spade ,
pay the vet for his day and night charges properly , I totally agree , but give us a script to buy from our licence merchant or pharmacy .

am I been totally off the wall .
I dont think so .
how can anybody have a problem with that .

too many on here read between the lines ,what they think they see ,rather than what is printed .

veterinary vampires

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