veterinary vampires

Complain about having to pay for testing.

Complain about having to get a veterinary prescription for prescription products.

And then probably complain when there's no vet available to do a section for you at 3am.

omicron wrote: »

Complain about having to pay for testing.

Complain about having to get a veterinary prescription for prescription products.

And then probably complain when there's no vet available to do a section for you at 3am.

Sorry but the vet is NOT expected to do a section for free. They charge a fee and are hopefully paid. The 3 am in the morning bit goes with the job.
Tb testing has been a testimonial for vets for years and now, as the other poster has said, they want the wormers and vaccines to themselves. No deals to be done for these products anymore

kerry cow wrote: »

looks like our new minister of agriculture ,sees an end insight for the eradication of TB , dont worry the vets won't go hungry .they are going to continue to feed off the farmers , with the axe falling on the licenced merchants ,

yet it has been good enough for them to service us all the years gone .
its the veterinary club looking after each other and seeing the TB gravy train will finish up .
so it a case of tie up the dosing and the vaccine market .

how have our farm representatives allowed this is beyond me , how weak we are represented .

If tb testing was ever scrapped, you would simply have a johnes mandatory test our mycoplasma bovis test to fill the void, it was a bit Irish that with the end of bruceillois testing, mandatory bvd testing was rolled out, to keep the labs in work, was it a 3 our 5 year time frame given for herds at the time that where continously pi free would of been exempted from further testing, whatever happened their

jaymla627 wrote: »

If tb testing was ever scrapped, you would simply have a johnes mandatory test our mycoplasma bovis test to fill the void, it was a bit Irish that with the end of bruceillois testing, mandatory bvd testing was rolled out, to keep the labs in work, was it a 3 our 5 year time frame given for herds at the time that where continously pi free would of been exempted from further testing, whatever happened their

I'd agree with that, the BVD eradication scheme is a joke alright. How long is it going on now, 7 years?

kerry cow wrote: »

looks like our new minister of agriculture ,sees an end insight for the eradication of TB , dont worry the vets won't go hungry .they are going to continue to feed off the farmers , with the axe falling on the licenced merchants ,

yet it has been good enough for them to service us all the years gone .
its the veterinary club looking after each other and seeing the TB gravy train will finish up .
so it a case of tie up the dosing and the vaccine market .

how have our farm representatives allowed this is beyond me , how weak we are represented .

They have been talking about eradication of TB since I was a boy.

kerry cow wrote: »

veterinary staff are not allowed dispense out antibiotics to a farmer , its the vet that should dispense it , but we see all over the country , the counter assistant dispensing , so it ok for the vet to be in his van on the road , all awhile his girl in the office giving out the antibiotics but a licenced merchant cannt do what he has been doing for years with vaccines and dosing

so I hope you understand what I am saying and if not please do say and I can repeat it again .
vets secretary's are not allowed dispense antibiotics , its the vet that needs to be onsite to do that .

its a conflict of interest , the situation we are in and its anti competitive and infact vets shouldn't be allowed prescribe and supply , it unethical really .
but its all about money and the farm organisation should be ashamed of them selves .

"Vets secretaries, his girl in the office?" Christ man is your vet from the 1950s or what? Plenty of female vets out there, and most I've dealt with are better than the men. You still haven't said where you heard this news. If you can link an article I'd happily look at it.

When could you get antibiotics off a local co op? Do you want people to open up vetenary pharmacies or what so you don't have to pay your vet for them?

ganmo wrote: »

The 'girl at the counter' is a vet nurse. So just like how nurses are allowed to prescribe certain drugs so are vet nurses.

What vaccines are POM? I thought merchants didnt handle the special ones solely down to the short shelf life.

I wouldn’t say many are veterinary nurses to be fair.
It’s a European rule change coming in 2022
it will lead to less competition which isn’t good for farmers what ever way you look at it.

kerry cow wrote: »

veterinary staff are not allowed dispense out antibiotics to a farmer , its the vet that should dispense it , but we see all over the country , the counter assistant dispensing , so it ok for the vet to be in his van on the road , all awhile his girl in the office giving out the antibiotics but a licenced merchant cannt do what he has been doing for years with vaccines and dosing

so I hope you understand what I am saying and if not please do say and I can repeat it again .
vets secretary's are not allowed dispense antibiotics , its the vet that needs to be onsite to do that .

its a conflict of interest , the situation we are in and its anti competitive and infact vets shouldn't be allowed prescribe and supply , it unethical really .
but its all about money and the farm organisation should be ashamed of them selves .

I'm pretty sure (not certain) that the 'girl in the office' in my vets has done a course or something similar which allows her to dispense the medicines. There's certainly some cert up with her name on it. Will look closer next time.
And I tell you what, she's as good as any vet, better than a couple I've known in fact. The other 'secretary' is a veterinary nurse. In fact, the only one which I know nothing about is a man who works behind the counter.
As it is, there's usually a vet in the back doing small animals anyway so if you didn't want the girl serving, I'm sure you could be ignorant & take them away from a spaying or something to sell you something.
I buy our wormers etc from the vets, unless they don't have what I want. Why? Because they offer a service I require 24/7 & am glad to pay for. You mustn't have a very good working relationship built up with yours when you're stooping to name calling.

Base price wrote: »

AFAIK it's more to do with cattle/sheep doses
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/department-urged-to-protect-agri-stores-from-veterinary-medicine-supply-changes/
Edit to add - when I asked our Vet recently about this new legislation she said that there would be no charge for issuing a prescription. As I have stated previously, our Vet is the third most important person on this farm (after both of us) and the professional relationship that we have with her and her practice (other Vets) is paramount.

It just seems like the OP has an issue with their local vet. I get on great with my own vets too, especially in my earlier farming days when I admittedly didn't have 5% of the knowledge I have now. They were always very understanding, and while they may be expensive their service is always been fantastic.

When I went into them about doing a health plan which was required for organics, they were very enthusiastic and we're more than happy to help.

Donegalforever wrote: »

There is no doubt the cost of "medicines" from Veterinary practices will be a lot higher than from licensed merchants.

For example from my own experience, Spirovac collected from a Veterinary practice was €88.
The same item was €50 from a large licensed merchants.

I think the vets could play a bit fairer and still make a good profit.

It always makes me smile when I read things like this...

We say vets are too expensive. They should be the same price as the big merchants...

But then, we go ape**** at consumers going to the big supermarkets to buy steaks when they are on offer - we cry foul, and say the supermarket is selling too cheap...
We say people should go to their local butcher...



As to the OP - I don’t know the detail of the incoming changes. I do think vets in his country don’t get paid much for what’s a hard job, and the service they provide...

kerry cow wrote: »

veterinary staff are not allowed dispense out antibiotics to a farmer , its the vet that should dispense it , but we see all over the country , the counter assistant dispensing , so it ok for the vet to be in his van on the road , all awhile his girl in the office giving out the antibiotics but a licenced merchant cannt do what he has been doing for years with vaccines and dosing

so I hope you understand what I am saying and if not please do say and I can repeat it again .
vets secretary's are not allowed dispense antibiotics , its the vet that needs to be onsite to do that .

its a conflict of interest , the situation we are in and its anti competitive and infact vets shouldn't be allowed prescribe and supply , it unethical really .
but its all about money and the farm organisation should be ashamed of them selves .

Do you not get on with your vet or what, as for getting drugs from the vet nurse seems to be up setting you, no body is over using drugs at today’s cost.

The vet is the most important person to your farm. We are very lucky to have the veterinary service we have in this country. Not sure how lads expect to be able to call on a vet at any time of the day or night for just the call out fee. If there was no tb testing or likewise I doubt we d have vets to call on. For the service we get, the cost is great value.

omicron wrote: »

Vet practice is probably buying it in for a lot more than the coop is selling it. Drug companies give the licenced merchants etc massive discounts to stock their vaccine instead of the competitors.

Where the Vets are part of a large group they should be in a good bargaining position.