Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

3xh · 02-10-2020 02:55PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

People should be more concerned with following these guidelines and trying to stop the spread of this virus than worrying if they are enforceable and bragging about braking them.

The sooner people get that into their semi functioning brains the better.

Meh

Ginger n Lemon · 02-10-2020 03:11PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

People should be more concerned with following these guidelines and trying to stop the spread of this virus than worrying if they are enforceable and bragging about braking them.

The sooner people get that into their semi functioning brains the better.

Ohhh Nox. Another classic.

You are like a smarter version of covid20. You've hanged around

02-10-2020 03:23PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Ohhh Nox. Another classic.

You are like a smarter version of covid20. You've hanged around

A general comment about some people’s behaviour in general not directed at anyone here in particular.

robbiezero · 02-10-2020 03:39PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Seems I have misinterpreted what my son was saying about use of the asp. Every day is a school day.

He just wanted to stop you borrowing it :-) :-)

hynesie08 · 02-10-2020 03:40PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

People should be more concerned with following these guidelines and trying to stop the spread of this virus than worrying if they are enforceable and bragging about braking them.

The sooner people get that into their semi functioning brains the better.

Noxonwood, we live in a Republic, it is peoples civic duty to know their rights and liberties. I have no idea why you've an issue with that.

Ginger n Lemon · 02-10-2020 04:36PM

They say that the camera doesn't lie. But it rarely tells the full story either. The amateur videographer who filmed the by- now infamous footage of crowds of young revellers at Spanish Arch in Galway captured a moment in time: a perfect tableau of youth, freedom and normality that set the stage for the rest of us, locked away in our houses with only Netflix, a bottle of hand sanitiser and a spiralling sense of self-righteousness for company, to spontaneously combust with rage.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/student-parties-are-not-reckless-as-long-as-they-dont-ask-granny-to-come-along-39581022.html

Does that in bold ring a bell? For a certain poster in this thread

In all seriousness, why do we persist on trying to "control" the youth? "control the virus? "control". "Cause for concern" "cases are rising"

This gotta stop. People should follow guidelines, that's it. Open up businesses, open up tourism, start economic recovery. We are miles behind EU countries, with little justification.

Even bloody Donald T got covid-19, I am 100.41% sure he will live.

_Kaiser_ · 02-10-2020 04:52PM

Well today I've switched to the plastic visors (local Dunnes has boxes of them as you walk in) rather than the masks (which were really uncomfortable and actively putting me off going anywhere as a result), and it's much better (although still far from ideal)

Starting to see more people with them around the place too rather than just shop staff, so my days of "masking up" are done.

Zebra3 · 02-10-2020 05:27PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

They say that the camera doesn't lie. But it rarely tells the full story either. The amateur videographer who filmed the by- now infamous footage of crowds of young revellers at Spanish Arch in Galway captured a moment in time: a perfect tableau of youth, freedom and normality that set the stage for the rest of us, locked away in our houses with only Netflix, a bottle of hand sanitiser and a spiralling sense of self-righteousness for company, to spontaneously combust with rage.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/student-parties-are-not-reckless-as-long-as-they-dont-ask-granny-to-come-along-39581022.html

Does that in bold ring a bell? For a certain poster in this thread

In all seriousness, why do we persist on trying to "control" the youth? "control the virus? "control". "Cause for concern" "cases are rising"

This gotta stop. People should follow guidelines, that's it. Open up businesses, open up tourism, start economic recovery. We are miles behind EU countries, with little justification.

Even bloody Donald T got covid-19, I am 100.41% sure he will live.

It's far easier to whinge about "the youth of today" than to discuss why we don't have a proper functioning health service like they do in Scandinavia.

That would mean political leadership and meaningful debate as opposed to curtain twitching and soundbites.

ShyMets · 02-10-2020 05:39PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Ohhh Nox. Another classic.

You are like a smarter version of covid20. You've hanged around

Probably the same poster. The Covid20 username allowed them to air their more extreme views

FintanMcluskey · 02-10-2020 05:54PM

-5 death's today.

This ****ing virus is rising the dead

Ginger n Lemon · 02-10-2020 06:00PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

-5 death's today.

This ****ing virus is rising the dead

Nicely brings our average covid daily deaths to under 1 person from July onward.

3xh · 02-10-2020 06:12PM

Not that it matters but I’m seeing a denotification of 6 deaths.

And a denotification of 4 cases.

https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/

I wonder with the benefit of time and hindsight, could it ever be shown that if they actually used only guaranteed/confirmed death and case numbers when they first announce them, would their message or narrative about being very concerned and the next 10 days being critical change?

It was the same in the U.K. They decreased their deaths by 5,500. In about August this year, they changed how they counted deaths from being anyone who ever died with Covid to only those deaths that take place within 28 days of their first positive test.

As they say; Lies. Damn Lies. And statistics.

normanoffside · 02-10-2020 06:24PM

3xh wrote: »

Not that it matters but I’m seeing a denotification of 6 deaths.

And a denotification of 4 cases.

https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/

I wonder with the benefit of time and hindsight, could it ever be shown that if they actually used only guaranteed/confirmed death and case numbers when they first announce them, would their message or narrative about being very concerned and the next 10 days being critical change?

It was the same in the U.K. They decreased their deaths by 5,500. In about August this year, they changed how they counted deaths from being anyone who ever died with Covid to only those deaths that take place within 28 days of their first positive test.

As they say; Lies. Damn Lies. And statistics.

They shouldn't be announcing Covid Related deaths until they're verified.
They have no issue on occasion going back and announcing deaths from months ago so why the rush to announce new ones?

02-10-2020 06:39PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

A general comment about some people’s behaviour in general not directed at anyone here in particular.

Freudian slip eh...A general.....a general...twice in one short sentence...oooh to be a General eh Nox....you could change your name to napoleon and then look the dullards in the eyes from your short shorts!

Lundstram · 02-10-2020 06:40PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

-5 death's today.

This ****ing virus is rising the dead

Been flat out on Twitter all day (my job is boring) and honestly this is the first I've heard of this. It's amazing.

Journos were more interested in the huge numbers coming from another country close to ours.

The sheep were lapping it up of course - "worrying" "ohhh no" "more restrictions needed". :rolleyes:

Assetbacked · 02-10-2020 07:18PM

Great to see so many cases with -5 deaths. It is bolstering the data that shows this is not harmful except for extremely old and (not "or") vulnerable.

Here's some reassuring data screenshot. In particular I would highlight worldometer and the 1m deaths it has logged as against 34m cases. That puts the headline figure at around 2/3%. Now, I saw in an article today that the WHO estimates that 750m of the population in the world have been infected with covid. I think it is widely acceptable that the actual recorded positive cases are way understated and deaths are more likely to be overstated. If not, let's just take these figures as they are, that gives a death rate of 0.13% from covid right now (and it is ever getting closer to 0). Even without a vaccine it is looking way less harmful than the flu!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-world-in-for-a-hell-of-a-ride-in-coming-months-dr-mike-ryan-says-1.4370626?mode=amp

02-10-2020 07:18PM

I think Dublin and Kildare in particular are proof that lockdown doesn’t work.

Dublin locked down for 2 weeks now and cases still not close to dropping. Obviously pubs and restaurants weren’t really driving the numbers.

Kildare was locked down recently and still has over 10 - 20 cases per day.

The only way lockdown may help is if we go hard and close everything but essential business again. But that is unsustainable and cases will still just rise when we do reopen again.

At some point you would think we’ll have to let it rip through. We should have been doing everything we can to improve hospital capacity to allow this.

But Government/NPHET/HSE have done absolutely nothing on that front.

Sadly I predict we’ll end up back in national lockdown soon with a huge economic cost to add to an already huge bill.

Stand out figure today: -6 deaths.

kippy · 02-10-2020 07:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think Dublin and Kildare in particular are proof that lockdown doesn’t work.

Dublin locked down for 2 weeks now and cases still not close to dropping. Obviously pubs and restaurants weren’t really driving the numbers.

Kildare was locked down recently and still has over 10 - 20 cases per day.

The only way lockdown may help is if we go hard and close everything but essential business again. But that is unsustainable and cases will still just rise when we do reopen again.

At some point you would think we’ll have to let it rip through. We should have been doing everything we can to improve hospital capacity to allow this.

But Government/NPHET/HSE have done absolutely nothing on that front.

Sadly I predict we’ll end up back in national lockdown soon with a huge economic cost to add to an already huge bill.

Stand out figure today: -6 deaths.

Restrictions work if the vast majority of people adhere to them.
That's not rocket science.

Zebra3 · 02-10-2020 07:37PM

kippy wrote: »

Restrictions work if the vast majority of people adhere to them.
That's not rocket science.

Then they are scaled back and we see the inevitable rise again while people scream insanely about defeating the virus.

Tenzor07 · 02-10-2020 07:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think Dublin and Kildare in particular are proof that lockdown doesn’t work.
Dublin locked down for 2 weeks now and cases still not close to dropping. Obviously pubs and restaurants weren’t really driving the numbers.
Kildare was locked down recently and still has over 10 - 20 cases per day.
The only way lockdown may help is if we go hard and close everything but essential business again. But that is unsustainable and cases will still just rise when we do reopen again.
At some point you would think we’ll have to let it rip through. We should have been doing everything we can to improve hospital capacity to allow this.
But Government/NPHET/HSE have done absolutely nothing on that front.
Sadly I predict we’ll end up back in national lockdown soon with a huge economic cost to add to an already huge bill.
Stand out figure today: -6 deaths.

Pubs/Restaurants have already lost €60 million of stock, they can't sustain the constant lockdowns, the Government need to step in and freeze rents for minimum 3 months, increase the PUP back to what it was, and offer payments to Pub/restaurant owners to pay suppliers..

Though you are right, with Dr. Lockdown Holohan back in charge then a full Lockdown is on the way for the rest of the year and into 2021.

Tenzor07 · 02-10-2020 07:38PM

kippy wrote: »

Restrictions work if the vast majority of people adhere to them.
That's not rocket science.

Restrictions work if they make sense, if the public are fully onboard, that's not happening, and it's not rocket science to see the restrictions aren't working.

kippy · 02-10-2020 07:40PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Restrictions work if they make sense, if the public are fully onboard, that's not happening, and it's not rocket science to see the restrictions aren't working.

Close contact and the reduction of it is essentially the core to all of the restrictions. If that doesn't make sense, I don't know what does.

Ginger n Lemon · 02-10-2020 07:44PM

Gardai told the meeting of city and county councillors that they had closed down “35 house parties” off-campus in the Castletroy area, since last Sunday.

Gardai said that they found “in excess of 30 people” at each of the 35 parties.

https://www.thejournal.ie/limerick-student-parties-arrests-5222145-Oct2020/

You'd think we have no crime in Ireland...

Tenzor07 · 02-10-2020 07:51PM

kippy wrote: »

Close contact and the reduction of it is essentially the core to all of the restrictions. If that doesn't make sense, I don't know what does.

It's the core yes, but get into the actual guidelines and they don't make sense, for example closure of pubs/restaurants/cafes where additional Covid hygiene, social distancing, time limits was in place, now abandoned so people will move to gatherings in households where these measures aren't being maintained...Where home gatherings are shown to cause spikes of infections yet bar/restaurants/cafes aren't..

Idbatterim · 02-10-2020 07:52PM

lads, I reckon 2021 is out the window too. They dont have a fcuking clue when a vaccine will come about IF they do manage to develop one... months just blend into one another and nothing changes...

Officialdom is hardly going to come out and tell the truth. A few week lockdown etc, people can handle things in small doses, let the lobster simmer, not boil. These morons here have proven totally incapable of running a country properly. Health, law and order, infrastructure, housing etc, all a farce! I personally find it a shame, that they have the ability to borrow tens of billions, like the last bust, to avoid actually having to make decisions!

Also please note, how before covid, well basically there is no extra money for anything. Covid hits, a blank cheque emerges, money no problem!

Zebra3 · 02-10-2020 07:57PM

kippy wrote: »

Close contact and the reduction of it is essentially the core to all of the restrictions. If that doesn't make sense, I don't know what does.

Close down whole counties when the problems are in a small area. :rolleyes:

Penfailed · 02-10-2020 07:57PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Gardai told the meeting of city and county councillors that they had closed down “35 house parties” off-campus in the Castletroy area, since last Sunday.

Gardai said that they found “in excess of 30 people” at each of the 35 parties.

https://www.thejournal.ie/limerick-student-parties-arrests-5222145-Oct2020/

You'd think we have no crime in Ireland...

We're in the middle of a pandemic. If the guards didn't do anything they'd have a lot of questions to answer. Five people arrested too.

kippy · 02-10-2020 07:59PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

It's the core yes, but get into the actual guidelines and they don't make sense, for example closure of pubs/restaurants/cafes where additional Covid hygiene, social distancing, time limits was in place, now abandoned so people will move to gatherings in households where these measures aren't being maintained...Where home gatherings are shown to cause spikes of infections yet bar/restaurants/cafes aren't..

There are restrictions around gathering in houses - again, based on the core principle.
As I said, people not following guidelines does not mean the guidelines dont make sense.

Look, as long as the deaths are low and the cases don't end up killing the health system more than it already is, then I don't particularily have a major issue but there will come a point where the wrong people will start to get infected and bothe hospitals and mobidity will be impacted negatively.

kippy · 02-10-2020 08:01PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Close down whole counties when the problems are in a small area. :rolleyes:

What do you suggest happen?
There are problems in "small areas" all over the ireland of ireland at the moment and probably as many again asymptomatic.
The only way to bring that under control is back to basics of limiting close contacts for everyone unfortunately else the cases will grow exponentially.
People can take that into their own hands and make those decisions, as many are, or the state have to intervene to take choices away from people. It's a pity.

AUDI20 · 02-10-2020 08:05PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Gardai told the meeting of city and county councillors that they had closed down “35 house parties” off-campus in the Castletroy area, since last Sunday.

Gardai said that they found “in excess of 30 people” at each of the 35 parties.

https://www.thejournal.ie/limerick-student-parties-arrests-5222145-Oct2020/

You'd think we have no crime in Ireland...

We have, they were all at the parties!!

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings