Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Allinall · 02-10-2020 08:32AM

bfclancy wrote: »

becasue they will be closing them again i suspect and this will lessen the public outcry, what is his motivation for stating that 57 cases were linked to a pub

To give an example of how the virus spreads.

Away With The Fairies · 02-10-2020 08:36AM

bfclancy wrote: »

think this was discussed in another chat but i believe the gist of it was that this involved staff only, no customer was infected due to this outbreak, so it another example of mr. Glynn using figures in a misleading way in order to keep focus on pubs and restaurants

A cafe - restaurant with 57 staff? Would a big cafe-restaurant establishment have that many staff?

is_that_so · 02-10-2020 08:38AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

A cafe - restaurant with 57 staff? Would a big cafe-restaurant establishment have that many staff?

Ultimately 57 cases traced back to people working in it, via work, social activities and interactions with other households.

Happydays2020 · 02-10-2020 08:39AM

Allinall wrote: »

What would be his motivation for doing that?

We know that one large hospitality group is considering court action and seeking empirical evidence.

bfclancy · 02-10-2020 08:40AM

Allinall wrote: »

To give an example of how the virus spreads.

Maybe you are right, i am probably doing Dr. Glynn a disservice by my assumptions, would you agree the media are portraying it differently though

Pablo Escobar · 02-10-2020 08:41AM

This place is the closest food establishment to my home in Cork. It has been, let's say, 'quite busy' anytime I've been home the past few weeks.

Sadb · 02-10-2020 08:41AM

bfclancy wrote: »

think this was discussed in another chat but i believe the gist of it was that this involved staff only, no customer was infected due to this outbreak, so it another example of mr. Glynn using figures in a misleading way in order to keep focus on pubs and restaurants

There is no way a cafe would have 57 staff!

is_that_so · 02-10-2020 08:41AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

We know that one large hospitality group is considering court action and seeking empirical evidence.

Well, they sent a letter. More like sabre rattling. Even with a further 2-3 week extension, by the time they got to a court it'd be all over.

Away With The Fairies · 02-10-2020 08:42AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Ultimately 57 cases traced back to people working in it, via work, social activities and interactions with other households.

Thanks for that. My brain isn't working this morning.

bfclancy · 02-10-2020 08:43AM

Sadb wrote: »

There is no way a cafe would have 57 staff!

No one said they did, another poster explained above that it was staff and their subsequent social interactions that caused the 57 infections

Sadb · 02-10-2020 08:43AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Thanks for that. My brain isn't working this morning.

Mine isn’t either, I didn’t think of their family etc that made up the 57.

JP Liz V1 · 02-10-2020 08:45AM

Last night, Acting Chief Medical Officer, Dr Ronan Glynn appealed for people to cut down on their number of social contacts after it was revealed that 57 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in Cork have been linked to a cáfe-restaurant where a number of people from different households socialised

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Away With The Fairies · 02-10-2020 08:48AM

Sadb wrote: »

Mine isn’t either, I didn’t think of their family etc that made up the 57.

Something I don't understand is, they have only recently been able to track these clusters and where it started. Why are they caring now, when they aren't even testing people arriving in on flights?

copeyhagen · 02-10-2020 08:51AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

That's hilarious and actually makes me optimistic seeing what level the people who make these posters are actually on.

Thankfully the majority of people aren't off their rocker.

in fairness, the agenda is wrong, but the first 8 points are factually correct.

odyssey06 · 02-10-2020 08:53AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Something I don't understand is, they have only recently been able to track these clusters and where it started. Why are they caring now, when they aren't even testing people arriving in on flights?

It came up in committee feedback when NPHET said the contact tracing questions were about the person's recent contacts only (48 hours) i.e. who they could have infected.
There was no attempt made to trace how the person was infected back further than that.
They said they didn't have enough staff to trace forwards and back that far.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-contact-tracers-to-start-looking-into-where-people-are-infected-1.4364925

Boggles · 02-10-2020 08:55AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

in fairness, the agenda is wrong, but the first 8 points are factually correct.

Ahhh. No they aren't.

odyssey06 · 02-10-2020 08:57AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

in fairness, the agenda is wrong, but the first 8 points are factually correct.

80% of test positive cases are symptom free? Nope.
That's just for starters.
It's dangerous lies.

timmyntc · 02-10-2020 09:00AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

It came up in committee feedback when NPHET said the contact tracing questions were about the person's recent contacts only (48 hours) i.e. who they could have infected.
There was no attempt made to trace how the person was infected back further than that.
They said they didn't have enough staff to trace forwards and back that far.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-contact-tracers-to-start-looking-into-where-people-are-infected-1.4364925

Why not just hire more staff??

They had all summer to either increase ICU & hospital surge capacity, or sort the contact tracing to get on top of the spread. It looks like theyve done neither so far

Boggles · 02-10-2020 09:05AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

80% of test positive cases are symptom free? Nope.
That's just for starters.
It's dangerous lies.

I do love the last line about immigration.

The lunacy has shifted to 5G and Covid but they did manage to shoe horn in the ould bit of racism that preoccupied those dribblers before the pandemic.

odyssey06 · 02-10-2020 09:06AM

timmyntc wrote: »

Why not just hire more staff??

They had all summer to either increase ICU & hospital surge capacity, or sort the contact tracing to get on top of the spread. It looks like theyve done neither so far

I had same thought... seemed strange to me we have loads of money for pandemic payments for closed businesses, but no money to hire contract tracers to get to the bottom of what businesses we should be closing.

average_runner · 02-10-2020 09:07AM

bfclancy wrote: »

think this was discussed in another chat but i believe the gist of it was that this involved staff only, no customer was infected due to this outbreak, so it another example of mr. Glynn using figures in a misleading way in order to keep focus on pubs and restaurants

Or maybe the restaurant didn't follow the guidelines?

robbiezero · 02-10-2020 09:07AM

timmyntc wrote: »

Why not just hire more staff??

They had all summer to either increase ICU & hospital surge capacity, or sort the contact tracing to get on top of the spread. It looks like theyve done neither so far

Mad really. They only copped after they put 10s of thousands of people out of work in Dublin, that it might be a good idea to actually verify that they need to do that.
Really seem to have taken their eye off the ball during the summer.

gozunda · 02-10-2020 09:09AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Ultimately 57 cases traced back to people working in it, via work, social activities and interactions with other households.

So not all staff then as detailed by another poster?

bfclancy wrote: »

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average_runner · 02-10-2020 09:10AM

timmyntc wrote: »

Why not just hire more staff??

They had all summer to either increase ICU & hospital surge capacity, or sort the contact tracing to get on top of the spread. It looks like theyve done neither so far

Only a certain amount of space in the hospitals and getting the staff is not easy also, especially with Unions involved in it.

Most countries are struggling on the tracing side, but what is the point in going back 2 or 3 weeks, its not going change how people decide to behave. It would be a waste of money.

No matter what information is provided, the attitude in Ireland won't change.

GooglePlus · 02-10-2020 09:11AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

in fairness, the agenda is wrong, but the first 8 points are factually correct.

In fairness, they're not at all.

is_that_so · 02-10-2020 09:12AM

timmyntc wrote: »

Why not just hire more staff??

They had all summer to either increase ICU & hospital surge capacity, or sort the contact tracing to get on top of the spread. It looks like theyve done neither so far

They should do more but there is a question over just how effective and efficient that might be. I believe that's what the proposed "research" is looking to do. As for capacity it's easy to point at but not so easy to fix, it's really not the only HSE problem. What will be interesting to see is how the planned Community Hubs will work. If they go well we might see fewer of the walking sick in A&E and that's a very good start.

Kermit.de.frog · 02-10-2020 09:18AM

Good to be back :cool:

podgeandrodge · 02-10-2020 09:22AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Surprised Trump didn't wait until losing the election to announce he had it as an excuse not to leave the White House.. He probably has it but he's such a liar it's hard to know.

Thierry12 wrote: »

Election time

Some coincidence

prunudo wrote: »

...
No doubt he will be the best patient that medical science has ever seen and the doctors will be really impressed by his recovery, in fact it will be the quickest and best recovery they've ever seen, ever, in the history of all recoverys.

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Does he have it? Is this perhaps him declaring he has it, dodging a few debates,
recovering as strong as an ox, and being able to dismiss it in the election campaign as insignificant? It is not surprising that people want to see his medical records.

The level of TDS is high on here!

alentejo · 02-10-2020 09:24AM

Jackman25 wrote: »

That was happening before the impact of any restrictions kicked in.

I think there was a certain element of "fear" which may have started to impact numbers before the restrictions came in.

ArthurDayne · 02-10-2020 09:25AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

That's hilarious and actually makes me optimistic seeing what level the people who make these posters are actually on.

Thankfully the majority of people aren't off their rocker.

In fairness I think most people lamenting the restrictions seem to be lamenting the general incompetence of it all — rather than crediting the Irish government as having the levels of intelligence and co-ordination required to pull off a far-reaching conspiracy.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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