Covid19 and socialising

TheBlackPill · 01-10-2020 4:14pm #1

In view of the superspreader couple, how many holidays,piss-ups, parties,dinner parties does one need per week to maintain mental health? Full disclosure i visited one restaurant for breakfast, when travelling for work, since march.

Tenzor07 · 01-10-2020 4:20pm

SusanC10 · 01-10-2020 4:20pm

I have met 3 different friends once each since March. All have been outdoors.
I am struggling with it all tbh.

I have lost other friends (group) too because I didn't want to break the restrictions in place at the time on two separate occasions. I didn't phrase it like that either - I simply said that I wasn't ready personally for that particular social activity at that point. They have now set up a separate WhatsApp group and no longer communicate with me which is hurtful but their choice.

Oranage2 · 01-10-2020 4:22pm

If there was some plan or some goal I think people would adhere to the guidelines better.

Right now there doesn't seem to be an end in sight so fewer and fewer people care about following the restrictions.

drunkmonkey · 01-10-2020 4:27pm

SusanC10 wrote: »

I have met 3 different friends once each since March. All have been outdoors.
I am struggling with it all tbh.

I have lost other friends (group) too because I didn't want to break the restrictions in place at the time on two separate occasions. I didn't phrase it like that either - I simply say that I wasn't ready personally for that particular social activity. They have now set up a separate WhatsApp group and no longer communicate with me which is hurtful but their choice.

Are you high risk Susan that's very little socialising...

SusanC10 · 01-10-2020 4:29pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Are you high risk Susan that's very little socialising...

Not personally, No. But family members are in both the high risk and very high risk categories.

TheBlackPill · 01-10-2020 4:30pm

SusanC10 wrote: »

I have met 3 different friends once each since March. All have been outdoors.
I am struggling with it all tbh.

I have lost other friends (group) too because I didn't want to break the restrictions in place at the time on two separate occasions. I didn't phrase it like that either - I simply say that I wasn't ready personally for that particular social activity. They have now set up a separate WhatsApp group and no longer communicate with me which is hurtful but their choice.

sorry to read that Susan. Its the type of selfishness that that superspreader couple demonstrate. and i suspect for every eejit caught, multiple lie to the contact tracers about their socialising. edit. similar reasoning myself with parents.

01-10-2020 4:31pm

I haven't met any friends since march (even socially distant), haven't eaten in any restaurant or even entered a pub since early march either and can't see that changing for some time.

I'm not finding it too bad, I meet close family members, beers at home every weekend night, zoom quizzes up to recently (which I miss but others got tired of them) etc.

GarIT · 01-10-2020 4:33pm

I haven't seen any friends since February. I've left the house less than once a month this year. It's slowly driving me mad but I'm trying to do my best to prevent the spread.

Until the Airports are closed and a stricter lockdown is brought in I won't feel safe outside.

TheBlackPill · 01-10-2020 4:33pm

Oranage2 wrote: »

If there was some plan or some goal I think people would adhere to the guidelines better.

Right now there doesn't seem to be an end in sight so fewer and fewer people care about following the restrictions.

a goal would be make the Island COVID free then open up internally. However we have neither the temperment nor the police state the east asian countries have

Godeatsboogers · 01-10-2020 4:34pm

I preempted this years ago by just having no friends, covid suits my lifestyle, it brought everyone to my level

GarIT · 01-10-2020 4:36pm

TheBlackPill wrote: »

a goal would be make the Island COVID free then open up internally. However we have neither the temperment nor the police state the east asian countries have

New Zealand have done it. I have an online friend from there who talks about how great it is. No restrictions at all, until they get one case and it's extreme lockdown, nothing but food shops only for around 3 weeks, after which everything opens even nightclubs and life goes on as normal.

TheBlackPill · 01-10-2020 4:36pm

Godeatsboogers wrote: »

I preempted this years ago by just having no friends, covid suits my lifestyle, it brought everyone to my level

stop trying "to be too cool for skool"

TheBlackPill · 01-10-2020 4:38pm

GarIT wrote: »

New Zealand have done it. I have an online friend from there who talks about how great it is. No restrictions at all, until they get a small few cases and it's extreme lockdown, food shops only open for around 3 weeks and then all the nightclubs and everything open and life goes on as normal.

New Zealand kind of lucked out. not the type of place to go for a weekend break, but they are what we should be aspiring too.

GarIT · 01-10-2020 4:39pm

A full lockdown one day per week where you couldn't leave your property would go a long way to reduce cases. If we all couldn't go outside on Sunday, it would give an extra day for people to realise they have it and not spread it, massively reducing the number of people spreading it before they realise they have it.

01-10-2020 4:44pm

My partner goes to the office every day, I go to classes. We meet up with his family, visit his grandparents, I flew back to Ireland for a month and visited friends and family (after self quarantining in a friend's empty apartment) daily, I eat out once or twice a week, go to the pub regularly, go to the gym 3-4 times a week, visit my friend's place, take public transportation when necessary (try to walk as much as possible) etc.

Haven't had/gotten covid that I know but people around me have, my boyfriend's parents both had it in the spring and wasn't a big deal.

I feel genuinely sorry for people that have to isolate but since I don't and live by all the recommendations, I don't have a problem at all with my lifestyle.

GarIT · 01-10-2020 4:44pm

We also have the ridiculous situiations where a meat plant can have 50 cases, no social distancing or masks and be allowed to operate as normal. 1 case should shut down a business for 2 weeks with no exceptions.

A family member works in penney's and they had a staff member tested positive and their colleagues where forced to work and threatened with being sacked if they didn't work while waiting on test results.

I had prepay power at the door selling their perdatory meters. Probably went to hundreds of houses no mask, but they did stand back a bit after using the doorbell. Door to door sales should be illegal until 2022.

There's a building site in Tallaght run by the council, staffed by NI builders who all stay in local hostels and eat at local restautrants while they tell us were the second most infected area in the country.

SusanC10 · 01-10-2020 4:45pm

TheBlackPill wrote: »

sorry to read that Susan. Its the type of selfishness that that superspreader couple demonstrate. and i suspect for every eejit caught, multiple lie to the contact tracers about their socialising. edit. similar reasoning myself with parents.

Yeah, I mean that group of women all know me for years (10+) and are very aware of my circumstances.
Although I didn't agree with the type of socialising as it was breaching the restrictions at the time, I didn't say that as I believe in personal responsibility but rather said that I personally wasn't ready yet.
I also knew that with alcohol involved that even the best intentions would go out the window.
Perhaps they knew that I don't agree that it was the right thing. Who knows?

Whole Pandemic has been a bit of an eye-opener all round tbh. People I thought I knew very well have behaved in surprising ways both positive and negative.

Spanish Eyes · 01-10-2020 4:46pm

Over a few weekends in the Summer when things were kind of OK, we had four gatherings outside in the garden within the guidelines. So glad we did that now. Have the photos and all!

Won't be happening anytime soon anymore really.

alentejo · 01-10-2020 4:52pm

Have really cut back meeting friends - Meet 2 or 3 times during the summer outdoors. Was planning to meet 2 friends last weekend, however we all agreed to cancel. I don't know how sustainable this is over the coming months tbh.

PS, meeting my friends I felt on top-of-the-world for about a week after meeting them!

Spanish Eyes · 01-10-2020 4:52pm

Oranage2 wrote: »

If there was some plan or some goal I think people would adhere to the guidelines better.

Right now there doesn't seem to be an end in sight so fewer and fewer people care about following the restrictions.

Absolutely agree with you. It's a free for all now and people are just doing what they like. While many others are doing their best to keep safe. It is not a hermit thing, it is just observing the befuddled regs now. Need to be more upfront about it from Nphet and Gov.

Clear messages please. For everyone.

But there is no enforcement at all, so like the fireworks, drug dealing, car stealing, etc. it only matters if they follow up. Meaning the Gardai, but they appear to have no jurisdiction either. So what do we do?

ShineOn7 · 01-10-2020 5:56pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

But there is no enforcement at all, so like the fireworks, drug dealing, car stealing, etc. it only matters if they follow up. Meaning the Gardai, but they appear to have no jurisdiction either. So what do we do?

100% this

Dublin is in serious trouble with this and the Gardai having no enforcement is a big part of it

TheBlackPill · 01-10-2020 6:07pm

SusanC10 wrote: »

Yeah, I mean that group of women all know me for years (10+) and are very aware of my circumstances.
Although I didn't agree with the type of socialising as it was breaching the restrictions at the time, I didn't say that as I believe in personal responsibility but rather said that I personally wasn't ready yet.
I also knew that with alcohol involved that even the best intentions would go out the window.
Perhaps they knew that I don't agree that it was the right thing. Who knows?

Whole Pandemic has been a bit of an eye-opener all round tbh. People I thought I knew very well have behaved in surprising ways both positive and negative.

Not really an eyeopener for me. The same people that would be a dose/pub socialising multiple nights weekly pre lockdown are the same ones misbehaving now. Its just pure gluttony irregardless of the covid situation

01-10-2020 6:14pm

TheBlackPill wrote: »

Not really an eyeopener for me. The same people that would be a dose/pub socialising multiple nights weekly pre lockdown are the same ones misbehaving now. Its just pure gluttony irregardless of the covid situation

I don’t think that’s fair, I would have been a pub goer every week often a few times a week and haven’t set foot in one since March and have no plans to go to one in the near future as there is just too much risk. Drinking just as much mind but will make do with bottles/cans of beer until the virus cases are drastically lower than now.

TheBlackPill · 01-10-2020 6:21pm

Nathan Shallow Moon wrote: »

I don’t think that’s fair, I would have been a pub goer every week often a few times a week and haven’t set foot in one since March and have no plans to go to one in the near future as there is just too much risk. Drinking just as much mind but will make do with bottles/cans of beer until the virus cases are drastically lower than now.

Sorry for offending you. I didn't mean that everybody who is a pub socialiser are the ones breaking the lockdown, its just in general i note the ones socialising now in excess behaved similarly pre lockdown. I could have phrased it better, and my last post is a lot of frustration showing. And thank you for making your sacrifices. Wish your attitude was more widespread.

TheBlackPill · 01-10-2020 6:25pm

321123 wrote: »

My partner goes to the office every day, I go to classes. We meet up with his family, visit his grandparents, I flew back to Ireland for a month and visited friends and family (after self quarantining in a friend's empty apartment) daily, I eat out once or twice a week, go to the pub regularly, go to the gym 3-4 times a week, visit my friend's place, take public transportation when necessary (try to walk as much as possible) etc.

Haven't had/gotten covid that I know but people around me have, my boyfriend's parents both had it in the spring and wasn't a big deal.

I feel genuinely sorry for people that have to isolate but since I don't and live by all the recommendations, I don't have a problem at all with my lifestyle.

Yes but if everybody follows your social schedule the transmission rates go through the roof. Why do you need to eat out up to twice a week and go to the pub?

drunkmonkey · 01-10-2020 6:50pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

100% this

Dublin is in serious trouble with this and the Gardai having no enforcement is a big part of it

Dubliners abiding by the restrictions, mandates and public health advice have nothing to worry about.
The herd, well they'll just keep on running and there's nothing going to stop them.
Guards getting more power could cause riots not worth the risk of widespread retaliation against them especially for people helping build immunity in the community.

ShineOn7 · 01-10-2020 6:59pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

especially for people helping build immunity in the community.

Wtf?

TheBlackPill · 01-10-2020 7:09pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Dubliners abiding by the restrictions, mandates and public health advice have nothing to worry about.
The herd, well they'll just keep on running and there's nothing going to stop them.
Guards getting more power could cause riots not worth the risk of widespread retaliation against them especially for people helping build immunity in the community.

Drunken monkies are proving a bit of a problem with covid19 transmission currently

Neyite · 01-10-2020 7:23pm

Nope, we've both been working from home since March. Other than the youngster going back to school and one 3day staycation we haven't changed our routine.

Now, we weren't ever mad for going out anyway so there's not much difference there but I would have stayed with an elderly family member a lot, and that's not happened since.

We haven't even sent the young lad to childcare after school - right now we are managing fine being at home but it's just one less place of exposure.

I've met a friend once since March, outdoors for a walk.

I think though that there's a difference in habits between people who have /family members have vulnerabilities that mean Covid could be life threatening for them and the ones who have all healthy family members.

drunkmonkey · 01-10-2020 7:50pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Wtf?

You need a certain level of immunity in the community along with a vaccine. 60/70% would be ideal. Ideally we still need 20% of the population to get their own immunity and the other 50% to get the vaccine. RTE estimated 52% of people will try the 1st EU approved vaccine this evening.

pinkyeye · 01-10-2020 8:10pm

I have met up with family mostly but I've a large family so quite a lot of contact I suppose. We do socially distance and wash hands, sanitise etc. 7 months is too long to stay away from family. My mother is dying so I refuse to stay away from her. She says she'd rather die of Covid than spend her last months alone.

I've met with two friends in their house when I went for dinner.

Haven't been to the pub but I wouldn't have been a big pub goer anyway so no loss. Been to Eddie Rockets once but it was incredibly uncomfortable because my grandson was with us, he's only 2 so wasn't really sitting still and everyone was watching so I wouldn't be repeating that experience. Rather get a takeaway and eat at home. Staff almost threw the food at you and ran. Plastic knifes, forks etc. I know why it's necessary but just not a pleasant experience.

Gang from work have arranged a night out tomorrow night with a bus and all and I just can't believe how irresponsible they are given I work in a Nursing Home but all I can do is throw my eyes up to heaven at them. It's not banned under current restrictions in my area (Cork) so what can you do?

ShineOn7 · 01-10-2020 8:13pm

pinkyeye wrote: »

Gang from work have arranged a night out tomorrow night with a bus

Wow

Wish I had more

Just .... wow

TheBlackPill · 01-10-2020 8:19pm

pinkyeye wrote: »

Gang from work have arranged a night out tomorrow night with a bus and all and I just can't believe how irresponsible they are given I work in a Nursing Home but all I can do is throw my eyes up to heaven at them. It's not banned under current restrictions in my area (Cork) so what can you do?

P45s all around. inform an Bord Analtras if any are registered nurses. Letter complaint to your line manager voicing your objections so is on record. And contact HIQA now

pinkyeye · 01-10-2020 8:30pm

TheBlackPill wrote: »

P45s all around. inform an Bord Analtras if any are registered nurses. Letter complaint to your line manager voicing your objections so is on record. And contact HIQA now

I don't have the power to issue anyone with a P45.

I have already informed the HR manager and she says there's nothing we can do because it's outside work hours and not against current regulations?

01-10-2020 8:53pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Wtf?

Heard immunity, a comment that lets you know a crackpot is afoot.

Last time I heard that in the media was Boris Johnson on about it before he nearly killed half the country and had to lock down heavily soon after

TheBlackPill · 01-10-2020 8:53pm

pinkyeye wrote: »

I don't have the power to issue anyone with a P45. I have already informed the HR manager and she says there's nothing we can do because it's outside work hours and not against current regulations?

that's a cop out from the manager, but you are right not under your control. at a minimum the employer should be demanding they self isolate on either unpaid leave or annual leave for 2 weeks after their junket. An Bord Analtrais if any are registered nurses, will be very interested and can impose sanctions. HIQA will also investigate. This behaviour is absolutely nuts when caring for nursing home residents
The PPC can only deal with written complaints. If you wish to make a complaint, please put your complaint in writing and post to:

PPC Division
Fitness to Practise Department
Nursing and Midwifery Board of Ireland
18-20 Carysfort Avenue
Blackrock
Co. Dublin
General Information and feedback. (021) 240 9300. info@hiqa.ie.

pinkyeye · 01-10-2020 8:59pm

TheBlackPill wrote: »

that's a cop out from the manager, but you are right not under your control. at a minimum the employer should be demanding they self isolate on either unpaid leave or annual leave for 2 weeks after their junket. An Bord Analtrais if any are registered nurses, will be very interested and can impose sanctions. HIQA will also investigate. This behaviour is absolutely nuts when caring for nursing home residents
The PPC can only deal with written complaints. If you wish to make a complaint, please put your complaint in writing and post to:

PPC Division
Fitness to Practise Department
Nursing and Midwifery Board of Ireland
18-20 Carysfort Avenue
Blackrock
Co. Dublin
General Information and feedback. (021) 240 9300. info@hiqa.ie.

I'm not sure if any of the registered nurses are actually going, I'll try to find out. I agree with you, it's nuts behaviour, especially as the cases in Cork are on the rise.

I actually couldn't believe when they mentioned the bus today and said out loud "did I hear right, your're actually all going in a bus together?".

pinkyeye · 01-10-2020 9:02pm

The problem is at the moment that insisting that 20 staff self isolate would mean that residents wouldn't have any care so it's a very fine balancing act.

It's so stressful because I'm constantly worried if someone does test positive and staff have to self isolate how are the residents going to be looked after? Can't go for agency staff because they're going from place to place.

SNNUS · 01-10-2020 9:06pm

Get out and live rather than existing.

TheBlackPill · 01-10-2020 9:06pm

pinkyeye wrote: »

The problem is at the moment that insisting that 20 staff self isolate would mean that residents wouldn't have any care so it's a very fine balancing act.

It's so stressful because I'm constantly worried if someone does test positive and staff have to self isolate how are the residents going to be looked after? Can't go for agency staff because they're going from place to place.

Its much easier to organise alternative care for the residents if there is no covid in the unit. They can be split across many other nursing homes. Once there is covid they havr to be moved as a block or not at all.The hse will have to step in. Its also much easier to stop the work do before it happens. HIQA have shut nursing homes before.

TheBlackPill · 01-10-2020 9:07pm

SNNUS wrote: »

Get out and live rather than existing.

Find alternative employment to looking after the elderly first

01-10-2020 9:17pm

In some ways it's made a difference, mostly it has given a mental load, a kind of pressure to be mindful.

A group of us used to get together every two or three months for drinks and games. I really miss that. One of my very good friends has a serious condition which would put her in the at risk category, we've seen each other once in the past year. Usually we'd have a night away for a few drinks or I'd stay in her house. That's just not possible now. Another good friend lives in the UK so we see each other less as she has only been able to get home once.

My fiancee and me tend to do things just the two of us. I do go for lunch once a fortnight or that with someone in work. I consider them a close contact now. Then there's another friend who I would meet for a coffee and call in to, but not as much as pre Covid.

It's different now. Covid has created an anxiety in me no doubt but I can't live in a world where I don't see other people. Just simple things like sitting alongside someone and having a chat.
I wish it would just disappear and leave us all to get on with our lives.

tonysopprano · 01-10-2020 9:30pm

TheBlackPill wrote: »

that's a cop out from the manager, but you are right not under your control. at a minimum the employer should be demanding they self isolate on either unpaid leave or annual leave for 2 weeks after their junket. An Bord Analtrais if any are registered nurses, will be very interested and can impose sanctions. HIQA will also investigate. This behaviour is absolutely nuts when caring for nursing home residents
The PPC can only deal with written complaints. If you wish to make a complaint, please put your complaint in writing and post to:

PPC Division
Fitness to Practise Department
Nursing and Midwifery Board of Ireland
18-20 Carysfort Avenue
Blackrock
Co. Dublin
General Information and feedback. (021) 240 9300. info@hiqa.ie.

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TheBlackPill · 01-10-2020 9:38pm

tonysopprano wrote: »

Stasi uniforms and patches can be bought on ebay for all you aspiring socialist spies and quisling wannabes

Thanks for the update Tony. Will look them up. Tell me how would you feel if an elderly loved one was a resident in the above unit?

Jackman25 · 01-10-2020 9:41pm

I go to the pub most weekends for one evening. Lock-in when they are shut like now in Dublin. Take in the odd GAA or soccer game and meet a few there.
Meet siblings every odd month or so and parents too (with suitable distancing, outdoors etc as they are somewhat elderly).

ginoginelli · 01-10-2020 9:55pm

I have no problem meeting up with people outside and keeping distance, but indoors..forget about it.

We were told back in March how dangerous restaurants pubs and any indoors social settings were. Then it was decided that these places were too important to the economy and we were urged back under false pretenses. Now cases have have exploded and we are are being told yet again how dangerous they are.

I will be sticking to socializing outdoors until this mess is over.

TheBlackPill · 01-10-2020 10:51pm

Just thinking if the work meeting hasn't happened yet there will be no consequences for people if they cancel it now

GarIT · 02-10-2020 12:32am

pinkyeye wrote: »

I don't have the power to issue anyone with a P45. I have already informed the HR manager and she says there's nothing we can do because it's outside work hours and not against current regulations?

If they sit at a table and there are people from more than 3 households then they are breaking the guidelines.

Tenzor07 · 02-10-2020 9:47am

ginoginelli wrote: »

indoors..forget about it.
We were told back in March how dangerous restaurants pubs and any indoors social settings were.
told yet again how dangerous they are.

Pubs and restaurants don't kill people, people do...

AdamD · 02-10-2020 10:18am

Met up with people most weekends since the initial lockdown ended. Dunno how people get by otherwise. Not everyone lives with family or is in a relationship. Working from home makes it even worse, stuck in my room 5 days a week, come Friday there's no way I'm sitting in there alone for another 2 days.

Covid19 and socialising

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