Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

polesheep · 01-10-2020 03:11PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

If people refuse the vaccine that's fine.

I'll likely not take the first round either. But if I do catch it and end up needing a hospital bed (very very very very very unlikely) I will allow the doctors to throw me in a bin instead of treating me.

And if some people become ill from taking a rushed vaccine, should doctors throw them in a bin? Thankfully doctors don't think like that.

Lollipop95 · 01-10-2020 03:12PM

What are everyone’s thoughts on a possible Galway lockdown?

gmisk · 01-10-2020 03:13PM

stockshares wrote: »

In Northern Ireland a Covid App is now available for teenagers.

https://twitter.com/healthdpt/status/1311623210828533760?s=19

I'd say the kids will be rushing off tik tok to get onto that alright...

Deshawn · 01-10-2020 03:13PM

billybonkers wrote: »

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

Thanks. But it says 429 cases not 511 or 531 and they are yesterday figures

What am I missing

ednwireland · 01-10-2020 03:15PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

We were never going to stabilise with the way things were at the time of placing us in phase 3, the cat was well and truly out of the bag.

Restaurants obviously aren't the big driver that they're being made out to be.

if they were then we would have seen a huge spike over the summer

Boggles · 01-10-2020 03:18PM

ednwireland wrote: »

if they were then we would have seen a huge spike over the summer

No we wouldn't.

It's all relative to the amount of virus in the community.

funnydoggy · 01-10-2020 03:22PM

Is there a NPHET briefing today?

stephenjmcd · 01-10-2020 03:25PM

EMA beginning the start of vaccine reviews starting with AstraZeneca (Oxford). Still a long way to go with clinical data to be submitted but its a start and it gets the ball rolling now on the review process.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-starts-first-rolling-review-covid-19-vaccine-eu

Thanks to Hmmzis in the vaccine thread for posting the link initially

Stormyteacup · 01-10-2020 03:26PM

ednwireland wrote: »

if they were then we would have seen a huge spike over the summer

Well it’s either one of two things. Restaurants and pubs are not the source of the spread of unaccountable community transmission,

Or they are, but numbers would have been higher still had they been allowed to stay open.

It’s at the mercy of the NPHET magic 8 ball. I feel I know which way it will decide.

stephenjmcd · 01-10-2020 03:28PM

NPHET has also not recommended that other counties be moved to level 3
https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1311673948510314498?s=19

bb1234567 · 01-10-2020 03:29PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Possibly there are enough to overwhelm the hospitals. But that is more a reflection on the dire state of our numbers of available hospital beds.

I have assessed my risk according to stats available and am satisfied it is negligible that I am in danger.

Israel have proven that urban areas of Ireland could have been overwhelmed. So while the lockdown may have been unnecessary and far too long and limiting at least the original goal of stopping hospitals being overrun was not off the wall.

Israel has a much younger population than Ireland and half the obesity rate with much greater hospital resources and they now have the highest proportion of persons in ICU int he world per capita. ISrael of course is much higher population density than Ireland but greater Dublin where 25-30% of our population lives is 3x times more densely populated than Israel overall so the density is there in parts of Ireland

SleetAndSnow · 01-10-2020 03:29PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NPHET has also not recommended that other counties be moved to level 3
https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1311673948510314498?s=19

So the 5 level plan is just being thrown out the window. I really just don't understand

hynesie08 · 01-10-2020 03:31PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NPHET has also not recommended that other counties be moved to level 3
https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1311673948510314498?s=19

Dublin level 3 or donegal level 3?

wirelessdude01 · 01-10-2020 03:33PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

So the 5 level plan is just being thrown out the window. I really just don't understand

Wondering that myself.

seamus · 01-10-2020 03:35PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NPHET has also not recommended that other counties be moved to level 3
https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1311673948510314498?s=19

Oh FFS. Use the five-level system or scrap it. Don't put it in place and then apply arbitrary parts of it.

Level 3 is likely imminent for most of the country - or at least the big population centres - going by tonight's numbers.

One piece of good data though is a discernable drop in average close contacts over the last week or so. The impact of this won't be felt for 2 weeks or so though. Dublin is unlikely to be out of level 3 until closer to Halloween.

01-10-2020 03:36PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NPHET has also not recommended that other counties be moved to level 3
https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1311673948510314498?s=19

What in the world was the point in this 5 level 'living with covid' plan?

polesheep · 01-10-2020 03:37PM

AdamD wrote: »

What in the world was the point in this 5 level 'living with covid' plan?

A way of injecting money into An Post?:rolleyes:

stephenjmcd · 01-10-2020 03:38PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

So the 5 level plan is just being thrown out the window. I really just don't understand

There is provision for it within level 2

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1311676106249048065?s=19

stephenjmcd · 01-10-2020 03:40PM

seamus wrote: »

Oh FFS. Use the five-level system or scrap it. Don't put it in place and then apply arbitrary parts of it.

Level 3 is likely imminent for most of the country - or at least the big population centres - going by tonight's numbers.

One piece of good data though is a discernable drop in average close contacts over the last week or so. The impact of this won't be felt for 2 weeks or so though. Dublin is unlikely to be out of level 3 until closer to Halloween.

But level 2 does contain the option of only 1 household so they aren't departing from the levels in this case

Hector Savage · 01-10-2020 03:40PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54371559

Journalist masturbating with a cheese grater as he wrote that ...

Stormyteacup · 01-10-2020 03:41PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Israel have proven that urban areas of Ireland could have been overwhelmed. So while the lockdown may have been unnecessary and far too long and limiting at least the original goal of stopping hospitals being overrun was not off the wall.

Israel has a much younger population than Ireland and half the obesity rate with much greater hospital resources and they now have the highest proportion of persons in ICU int he world per capita. ISrael of course is much higher population density than Ireland but greater Dublin where 25-30% of our population lives is 3x times more densely populated than Israel overall so the density is there in parts of Ireland

No it’s not off the wall to try to prevent hospitals from being overrun.
That is the goal and always was. That’s where you get the buy-in with compliance. Make it crystal clear how precarious the hospital situation is and how staff are underpaid and overworked looking after the vulnerable in our society (that most right-minded people would adhere to basic guidelines to protect), and be seen to be doing something about it, instead of hyping up the non-existent danger and trying to ensure compliance through fear.

ixoy · 01-10-2020 03:43PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

But level 2 does contain the option of only 1 household so they aren't departing from the levels in this case

"Members of different households can continue to meet socially in other settings".

So are they encouraging people to all go to the park to meet? I'm struggling to see how that's beneficial versus meeting outdoors in their garden for example.

Boggles · 01-10-2020 03:44PM

ixoy wrote: »

"Members of different households can continue to meet socially in other settings".

The Pub.

polesheep · 01-10-2020 03:45PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

No it’s not off the wall to try to prevent hospitals from being overrun.
That is the goal and always was. That’s where you get the buy-in with compliance. Make it crystal clear how precarious the hospital situation is and how staff are underpaid and overworked looking after the vulnerable in our society (that most right-minded people would adhere to basic guidelines to protect), and be seen to be doing something about it, instead of hyping up the non-existent danger and trying to ensure compliance through fear.

Imagine if all the money that has been spent as a result of restrictions had instead been put into providing better health services, and if people were asked to adjust their behaviour based on the threat to our health services. I'm very sure we would be in a better place right now.

nacho libre · 01-10-2020 03:46PM

ixoy wrote: »

"Members of different households can continue to meet socially in other settings".

The virus can count. Also the Virus knows not to infect people in schools and pubs. It waits till you are in the appropriate setting. What a clever Virus.

seamus · 01-10-2020 03:51PM

ixoy wrote: »

So are they encouraging people to all go to the park to meet? I'm struggling to see how that's beneficial versus meeting outdoors in their garden for example.

It's as Tony put it way back when - a meeting in the garden is all well and good until someone needs to go to the toilet. And then people start getting cold.

And before you know it, there are ten of you standing in the kitchen, half-pissed and you've totally forgotten about the restrictions.

I don't like it, but I certainly identify with it and understand it.

In the park, people will stay as long as they can bear it and then everyone will go home. To their own homes.

OscarMIlde · 01-10-2020 03:56PM

polesheep wrote: »

Imagine if all the money that has been spent as a result of restrictions had instead been put into providing better health services, and if people were asked to adjust their behaviour based on the threat to our health services. I'm very sure we would be in a better place right now.

Except we don't have a bullet proof targeted treatment for covid. Doctors do know more now about warning signs and measures to mitigate against some of the effects of covid, especially with regard the risks of thrombotic events. But recovery seems very prolonged, and people can take weeks to recover enough to leave ICU if they are unlucky enough to end up there (and lucky enough to survive). I don't think any amount of resources would be enough to cope with uncontrolled spread throughout the country. Certainly not the amount lost due to restrictions.

Always_Running · 01-10-2020 04:02PM

Lollipop95 wrote: »

What are everyone’s thoughts on a possible Galway lockdown?

Restrictions, and not required yet when you consider as of last night Galway hospital had zero covid cases.

Arghus · 01-10-2020 04:04PM

Very surprised to see that Tony Holohan is back. I thought, given the circumstances, that we wouldn't see him again for a long and indefinite period of time.

I've grown to like Dr. Glynn a lot, but there's no doubt that Dr. Holohan projects more authority. Like him or loathe him, how he stayed on message consistently for months in the daily briefings was pretty amazing. He never appeared to be unsure of himself or tripped up over his own words. In terms of delivering a message and sticking to it like glue Tony Holohan was the absolute master. Our actual politicians come nowhere near. And Tony was out talking to the public every day, Leo and Simon just flitted in every now and again.

I think he had more clout politically and was better connected than Dr. Glynn - that's just my impression - he always seemed to be able to stay on the same page as the politics, wheras things have definitely become more fractious as of late. But I sense that the politics and the public health advice are slowly beginning to align again as the situation develops.

Tenzor07 · 01-10-2020 04:07PM

Arghus wrote: »

Very surprised to see that Tony Holohan is back. I thought, given the circumstances, that we wouldn't see him again for a long and indefinite period of time.
I grown to like Dr. Glynn a lot, but there's no doubt that Dr. Holohan projects more authority. Like him or loathe him, how he stayed on message consistently for months in the daily briefings was pretty amazing. He never appeared to be unsure of himself or tripped up over his own words. In terms of delivering a message and sticking to it like glue Tony Holohan was the absolute master. Our actual politicians come nowhere near. And Tony was out talking to the public every day, Leo and Simon just flitted in every now and again.
I think he had more clout politically and was better connected than Dr. Glynn - that's just my impression - he always seemed to be able to stay on the same page as the politics, wheras things have definitely become more fractious as of late. But I sense that the politics and the public health advice are slowly beginning to align again as the situation develops.

Well, all I can say for those on here who welcome Holohan back to his position in the HSE and as the face of NPHET is that you all have very short f---ing memories about Holohan and the last 10 years of his reign!

It's a shame that we are seeing him at all, he should have been fired years ago, or at least resigned.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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