Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Boggles · 01-10-2020 02:48PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

And if you are of the opinion - after considering all information available, that the guidelines are not right, and far from wise? What then?

There is a growing number of people not mindlessly accepting what the media is being fed to dispense.

And it’s not conspiracy nonsense, as much as it would suit many to dismiss it as such. It’s valid questioning of policies that have drastically altered society to mostly its detriment over six or eight months.

These restrictions may indeed feel like a punishment to those doing their best to follow the moving goalposts of government/NPHET, and denying themselves human interaction for the foreseeable future.

If drastic change was needed in the face of a dangerous virus to save lives, then restrictions would be warranted, the majority would comply.

They are not warranted. This virus is not what we were possibly arming ourselves against.

Meh.

If you have a grasp of basic maths you can easily determine what happens if things gets out of control.

Blaming the media or the man doesn't alter reality I'm afraid.

You just have a bad dose of pandemic denial, which is understandable TBF.

auspicious · 01-10-2020 02:49PM

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

There is no vaccine and no time line in which to expect one let alone 3 or 4 months. Still, I dont believe in lockdowns. War a mask, wash hands, social distance and get on with life.

+1
Although 3 to 4 years maybe..
I'd add reduce interactions also, until we get a semblance of control over the spread.

Regarding the Spanish Arch scenes from a couple of days ago: I often partied there years ago and there is plenty of space to stand apart. By all means party but very last one of us has a responsibility to cop on.

TonyMaloney · 01-10-2020 02:50PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

The hard reset in the Aus and New Zealand about to bear fruit.

What would that look like for our hospitality and tourism sectors if safe travel could resume? I know most of our flights come and go from UK. I’d say we’d get a massive uplift in visitors across the Irish Sea if it Ireland was the only allowed travel destination. Would probably help the airport use more than the current 10% capacity. It would also probably save thousands of jobs.

Worth thinking about.

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1310285769383305216?s=21

As I think just about every country in Europe is going to have to go through another lockdown at some stage this winter/spring, I'd absolutely back something like this in an attempt to get as much value from the lockdown as possible.

If a vaccine arrives - great!

I don't see much sign of appetite for it though

Stormyteacup · 01-10-2020 02:51PM

Boggles wrote: »

Meh.

If you have a grasp of basic maths you can easily determine what happens if things gets out of control.

Blaming the media or the man doesn't alter reality I'm afraid.

You just have a bad dose of pandemic denial, which is understandable TBF.

No I don’t have pandemic denial. I have more than a grasp of basic maths, which is what I’m basing the average persons risk from this virus on.

Miniscule.

And yes I blame both the man and the media for spreading fear needlessly.

Goldrickssan · 01-10-2020 02:52PM

If people refuse the vaccine that's fine.

I'll likely not take the first round either. But if I do catch it and end up needing a hospital bed (very very very very very unlikely) I will allow the doctors to throw me in a bin instead of treating me.

growleaves · 01-10-2020 02:53PM

My team of scientists are working around the clock on a machine which will detect toxicity levels in masculine men. They don't have time to work on the pandemic sorry.

The mandemic is much more pressing.

Stormyteacup · 01-10-2020 02:55PM

growleaves wrote: »

My team of scientists are working around the clock on a machine which will detect toxicity levels in masculine men. They don't have time to work on the pandemic sorry.

The mandemic is much more pressing.

I am interested in your mandemic. How do I send my money?

MerlinSouthDub · 01-10-2020 02:55PM

Dashboard has updated. 511 positive swabs, 14524 test. Positivity rate = 3.51%

wadacrack · 01-10-2020 02:56PM

Should be a campaign here on Vitamin D, the evidence is clear. It will save many lives

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1311664668843204608

auspicious · 01-10-2020 02:56PM

Financial Times

-Stéphane Bancel told the Financial Times on Wednesday that Moderna would not be ready to seek emergency use authorisation from the Food and Drug Administration before November 25 at the earliest.

He added that he did not expect to have full approval to distribute the drug to all sections of the population until next spring, undermining Mr Trump’s claim at Tuesday’s presidential debate that a jab would be available “a lot sooner”.

podgeandrodge · 01-10-2020 02:56PM

froog wrote: »

Big T is a natural leader that exudes calmness and decisiveness. Dr Glynn is good but he's no leader.

And this is at a time when there is a complete lack of leadership unless somehow egghead and mehole fill you with confidence.

I'd say it is very unlikely that population at this stage will suddenly row in with continuing restrictions just because he's back. Restriction fatigue is well and truly in place at this stage and no going back imo.

Boggles · 01-10-2020 02:57PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

No I don’t have pandemic denial. I have more than a grasp of basic maths, which is what I’m basing the average persons risk from this virus on.

Hate to break this to you but there is enough "average persons" in the country to overwhelm the hospitals.

God forbid, but you may be one of them. You never know.

TonyMaloney · 01-10-2020 02:58PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Dashboard has updated. 531 positive swabs, 14524 test. Positivity rate = 3.65%

Backlog anywhere between 0 and 175

hopefully zero

not looking good though

MerlinSouthDub · 01-10-2020 02:59PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Backlog anywhere between 0 and 175

hopefully zero

not looking good though

No. We seem to moving upwards again.

Stormyteacup · 01-10-2020 03:00PM

Boggles wrote: »

Hate to break this to you but there is enough "average persons" in the country to overwhelm the hospitals.

God forbid, but you may be one of them. You never know.

Possibly there are enough to overwhelm the hospitals. But that is more a reflection on the dire state of our numbers of available hospital beds.

I have assessed my risk according to stats available and am satisfied it is negligible that I am in danger.

Non solum non ambulabit · 01-10-2020 03:00PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Dashboard has updated. 531 positive swabs, 14524 test. Positivity rate = 3.65%

Bollocks. We are not stabilising.

Ger Roe · 01-10-2020 03:01PM

NH2013 wrote: »

Possibly could have made sense earlier on in the pandemic had we had the benefit of hindsight and with buy-in from the UK as well.

At this stage now however, we're now so close to the vaccine being approved and distribution being commenced that it probably makes better sense now to just try and minimise and surpress COVID as much as possible for the next 5-6 months until the most vulnerable can all be vaccinated.

By the time we actually erradicate Covid to the levels NSW and NZ have done would probably be about 3-4 months anyways of a severe lockdown, and the first tranches of people will already be starting to be vaccinated by that point and be ready to open up fully, but having destroyed many other businesses along the way to erradicate it.

Had we known about how this would all turn out at the very start, a UK/IRL bubble no doubt would have made a lot more sense.

There is no way of knowing how close we are to a working vaccine at the moment. We are close to trials reaching advanced stages, but no one knows how effective anything might be, yet.

NSW and NZ didn't 'eradicate' the virus. They did reduce, maybe even stop, it's circulation within their borders (as they had done previously), but it could return at any time, until it actually is eradicated.

'Eradicate' definition - to destroy completely, put an end to.

Boggles · 01-10-2020 03:02PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Possibly there are enough to overwhelm the hospitals. But that is more a reflection on the dire state of our numbers of available hospital beds.

Indeed it is certainly a major factor in how we approach it.

That was part of the reality I spoke of.

Ger Roe · 01-10-2020 03:03PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I'd say it is very unlikely that population at this stage will suddenly row in with continuing restrictions just because he's back. Restriction fatigue is well and truly in place at this stage and no going back imo.

I disagree. People will fall in line when it begins to affect them, or those around them. Unfortunately, the effects will be well underway by then.

Benimar · 01-10-2020 03:04PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Dashboard has updated. 531 positive swabs, 14524 test. Positivity rate = 3.65%

Its actually 511 (not a whole lot better admittedly!)

billybonkers · 01-10-2020 03:04PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Dashboard has updated. 531 positive swabs, 14524 test. Positivity rate = 3.65%

Oooof

GooglePlus · 01-10-2020 03:05PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Bollocks. We are not stabilising.

We were never going to stabilise with the way things were at the time of placing us in phase 3, the cat was well and truly out of the bag.

Restaurants obviously aren't the big driver that they're being made out to be.

GooglePlus · 01-10-2020 03:07PM

Raphael Damaged Timer wrote: »

How and why is there a possibility of such a backlog?

Nobody seems to know but someone mentioned a delay in positive swab results being signed off. Some say its the puppet master or the lizard people.

polesheep · 01-10-2020 03:08PM

froog wrote: »

Big T is a natural leader that exudes calmness and decisiveness. Dr Glynn is good but he's no leader.

And this is at a time when there is a complete lack of leadership unless somehow egghead and mehole fill you with confidence.

They don't, but I don't want to live in a society where the CMO is the leader.

MerlinSouthDub · 01-10-2020 03:09PM

Benimar wrote: »

Its actually 511 (not a whole lot better admittedly!)

Apologies, thanks for the correction. Positivity rate should read 3.51%

Deshawn · 01-10-2020 03:09PM

Benimar wrote: »

Its actually 511 (not a whole lot better admittedly!)

Where are you getting this information

Stormyteacup · 01-10-2020 03:09PM

Boggles wrote: »

Indeed it is certainly a major factor in how we approach it.

That was part of the reality I spoke of.

Yes fair enough but then should the emphasis not be solely on our the miserable state of our healthcare system - hence the need to protect it.

Make it known without obfuscation exactly how many beds available, what’s the surge capacity and where we stand?

Everything else is fear-driven and divisive nonsense. Might have a chance of compliance then.

billybonkers · 01-10-2020 03:10PM

Deshawn wrote: »

Where are you getting this information

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

Happydays2020 · 01-10-2020 03:10PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

We were never going to stabilise with the way things were at the time of placing us in phase 3, the cat was well and truly out of the bag.

Restaurants obviously aren't the big driver that they're being made out to be.

Restaurants never really were the problem. The elephant in the room is schools and we know that Events in private homes would also be a risk.

Many mistakes were made over the summer - the mistakes were not the opening up which happened. The messaging and decision making process has been terrible since the change of regime.

billybonkers · 01-10-2020 03:10PM

Highest number in hospital since mid June

This curve is not good

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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