Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Duke of Url · 01-10-2020 01:52PM

Dr Tony Holohan expected to return to his post next week

I for one am delighted with this news.

polesheep · 01-10-2020 01:59PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Dr Tony Holohan expected to return to his post next week

I for one am delighted with this news.

That seems like a strange thing to say. Can you elaborate as to why you would be delighted?

robbiezero · 01-10-2020 02:00PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Dr Tony Holohan expected to return to his post next week

I for one am delighted with this news.

Why?

01-10-2020 02:00PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Well yeh, it's spreading everywhere pretty easily almost without exception. The thing is the spread doesn't really matter if it's not making lots of people sick. Antibody testing in for example Kenya and Afghanistan has revealed massive spread with very few deaths as most people in these countries are literally children and teenagers.

This has led many to believe the only countries at risk are Western ones with aged populations when clearly this isn't the case. It seems that if a country has a median age of greater than about late twenties, there is sufficient sized population of late middle aged and elderly that it will experience widespread damage from COVID, overwhelmed hospitals and high excess deaths.

my understanding is that BMI is also one of the main risk factors....the virus loves fat cells.....which is why Kenya and Afghanistan have few deaths

01-10-2020 02:02PM

polesheep wrote: »

That seems like a strange thing to say. Can you elaborate as to why you would be delighted?

Exactly. It’s not like he is going to say anything different

eagle eye · 01-10-2020 02:06PM

podgeandrodge wrote:

Yup. Beginning to get a tad suspicious at all the powers that be tweeting that pretty much everything possible can lead to Covid, but NOT SCHOOLS! It seriously looks like a pre-agreed narative tbh.

It's unbelievable that the number of schools with cases is not available anywhere. It's like they are hiding it, you'd think that somebody in the media would be on top of it and releasing numbers.

Duke of Url · 01-10-2020 02:06PM

polesheep wrote: »

That seems like a strange thing to say. Can you elaborate as to why you would be delighted?

Because I feel people including myself take Dr Holohan more serious then Dr Glynn

Graces7 · 01-10-2020 02:08PM

prunudo wrote: »

All these lockdowns do is punish the people who have been adhering to the guidelines since day one. The people who don't care will contuine to flout rules regardless of what buzz word the authorities use to describe curtailing normal life.

Odd word to use. People get punished for doing wrong. We adhere to guidelines as we know they are right and wise. So we adapt. It is not a punishment.

prunudo · 01-10-2020 02:09PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Because I feel people including myself take Dr Holohan more serious then Dr Glynn

But the message hasn't changed in the last 7 months, its been the same regardless of who was saying it.

Cyrus · 01-10-2020 02:09PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Because I feel people including myself take Dr Holohan more serious then Dr Glynn

they dont, and if they do there something seriously wrong.

01-10-2020 02:14PM

We are all saved. Dr Holohan is coming back.

prunudo · 01-10-2020 02:15PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Odd word to use. People get punished for doing wrong. We adhere to guidelines as we know they are right and wise. So we adapt. It is not a punishment.

Plenty of people and businesses followed the guidelines, their thanks for doing so was to be made close their doors and staff being made unemployed. That, to me, sounds like being punished for the actions of others.

polesheep · 01-10-2020 02:15PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Because I feel people including myself take Dr Holohan more serious then Dr Glynn

Why, if they are both representing the views of a committee?

caveat emptor · 01-10-2020 02:17PM

The hard reset in the Aus and New Zealand about to bear fruit.

What would that look like for our hospitality and tourism sectors if safe travel could resume? I know most of our flights come and go from UK. I’d say we’d get a massive uplift in visitors across the Irish Sea if it Ireland was the only allowed travel destination. Would probably help the airport use more than the current 10% capacity. It would also probably save thousands of jobs.

Worth thinking about.

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1310285769383305216?s=21

NH2013 · 01-10-2020 02:23PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

The hard reset in the Aus and New Zealand about to bear fruit.

What would that look like for our hospitality and tourism sectors if safe travel could resume? I know most of our flights come and go from UK. I’d say we’d get a massive uplift in visitors across the Irish Sea if it Ireland was the only allowed travel destination. Would probably help the airport use more than the current 10% capacity. It would also probably save thousands of jobs.

Worth thinking about.

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1310285769383305216?s=21

Possibly could have made sense earlier on in the pandemic had we had the benefit of hindsight and with buy-in from the UK as well.

At this stage now however, we're now so close to the vaccine being approved and distribution being commenced that it probably makes better sense now to just try and minimise and surpress COVID as much as possible for the next 5-6 months until the most vulnerable can all be vaccinated.

By the time we actually erradicate Covid to the levels NSW and NZ have done would probably be about 3-4 months anyways of a severe lockdown, and the first tranches of people will already be starting to be vaccinated by that point and be ready to open up fully, but having destroyed many other businesses along the way to erradicate it.

Had we known about how this would all turn out at the very start, a UK/IRL bubble no doubt would have made a lot more sense.

Sconsey · 01-10-2020 02:25PM

prunudo wrote: »

Plenty of people and businesses followed the guidelines, their thanks for doing so was to be made close their doors and staff being made unemployed. That, to me, sounds like being punished for the actions of others.

Sounds to me more like they are victims of circumstance and possibly victims of the people that ignore guidance. Arguably victims of government/HSE/NEPHT mistakes. But they are not being punished.

Boggles · 01-10-2020 02:27PM

Duke of Url wrote: »

Because I feel people including myself take Dr Holohan more serious then Dr Glynn

There is a reason for that.

There’s mounting evidence that bare heads aren’t a spectacular evolutionary accident after all. Bald men are seen as more intelligent, dominant and high status; their shiny scalps may help them to seduce women or even save lives.

It will be the exact same message though and if anything Tony will be arriving at a time where the restriction stick will be doing some fair amount of belting.

I predict a complete a U-Turn on him by the end of the month.

fits · 01-10-2020 02:28PM

NH2013 wrote: »

........ for the next 5-6 months until the most vulnerable can all be vaccinated.

It will be at least a year until the most vulnerable are vaccinated imo. Another year probably for the rest of us.

Life under level 2 isnt so bad. Here in Carlow we can go to restaurants and the pub with precautions taken. We should be trying to maintain low levels so that businesses can remain open and the health service can function. unfortunately things are going in the wrong direction.

prunudo · 01-10-2020 02:29PM

Boggles wrote: »

There is a reason for that.

It will be the exact same message though and if anything Tony will be arriving at a time where the restriction stick will be doing some fair amount of belting.

There’s mounting evidence that bare heads aren’t a spectacular evolutionary accident after all. Bald men are seen as more intelligent, dominant and high status; their shiny scalps may help them to seduce women or even save lives.

I predict a complete a U-Turn on him by the end of the month.

And the health minister :pac:

zerosugarbuzz · 01-10-2020 02:29PM

NH2013 wrote: »

Possibly could have made sense earlier on in the pandemic had we had the benefit of hindsight and with buy-in from the UK as well.

At this stage now however, we're now so close to the vaccine being approved and distribution being commenced that it probably makes better sense now to just try and minimise and surpress COVID as much as possible for the next 5-6 months until the most vulnerable can all be vaccinated.

By the time we actually erradicate Covid to the levels NSW and NZ have done would probably be about 3-4 months anyways of a severe lockdown, and the first tranches of people will already be starting to be vaccinated by that point and be ready to open up fully, but having destroyed many other businesses along the way to erradicate it.

Had we known about how this would all turn out at the very start, a UK/IRL bubble no doubt would have made a lot more sense.

There is no vaccine and no time line in which to expect one let alone 3 or 4 months. Still, I dont believe in lockdowns. War a mask, wash hands, social distance and get on with life.

is_that_so · 01-10-2020 02:33PM

And he's back! CMO in the house from Monday next!

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1001/1168756-holohan-covid-19/

Boggles · 01-10-2020 02:36PM

Are we to take from that his wife died?

is_that_so · 01-10-2020 02:37PM

Boggles wrote: »

Are we to take from that his wife died?

Really not clear from the article but it does use has a form of blood cancer. You'd imagine that would have been reported if she had passed away.

prunudo · 01-10-2020 02:39PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Really not clear from the article. You'd imagine that would have been reported.

Probably waiting for him to address it himself rather than the media gossiping. I'd imagine they do know the full story, just not reporting it.

Wolf359f · 01-10-2020 02:39PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It's unbelievable that the number of schools with cases is not available anywhere. It's like they are hiding it, you'd think that somebody in the media would be on top of it and releasing numbers.

There was weekly reports which listed where outbreaks are occuring and included schools. I can't seem to find it, I believe it was a HSE report?
Anyone know the report I'm referencing?

NH2013 · 01-10-2020 02:39PM

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

There is no vaccine and no time line in which to expect one let alone 3 or 4 months. Still, I dont believe in lockdowns. War a mask, wash hands, social distance and get on with life.

The timeline was posted only 3 pages back:

The first 3 western vaccines are on target for approval by mid November, with two more due by the start of March, only 6 months away from now.

In addition the first 3 of those western vaccines have already begun production and manufacturing at risk, for the past few months, and have a large number of doses ready to go, so likely if we can get enough to prioritise those here over 65, or ~640,000 people and get them vaccinated over the next 5 months from November-April, that should allow for a full reopening by the end of March, early April and the remainder vaccinated over the course of the following 12 months.

Also both China and Russia have commenced large scale vaccinations of their citizens using their own vaccines, with the UAE also now commencing vaccinations using the Chinese vaccine, this will certainly help reduce demand on the supplies of the western vaccines and potentially increase supply of theirs if the EU/USA are happy with the data provided by those vaccines as the months go on.

pc7 · 01-10-2020 02:42PM

is_that_so wrote: »

And he's back! CMO in the house from Monday next!

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1001/1168756-holohan-covid-19/

They need him, he's politically minded, they've lost the stage, it might bring things back on track a bit

Boggles · 01-10-2020 02:42PM

Almost a third of people would not take Covid-19 vaccine

While 56% said it was likely they would take the vaccine, 32% said they would be unlikely to take the vaccine and 12% said they didn’t know.

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froog · 01-10-2020 02:42PM

polesheep wrote: »

Why, if they are both representing the views of a committee?

Big T is a natural leader that exudes calmness and decisiveness. Dr Glynn is good but he's no leader.

And this is at a time when there is a complete lack of leadership unless somehow egghead and mehole fill you with confidence.

Stormyteacup · 01-10-2020 02:43PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Odd word to use. People get punished for doing wrong. We adhere to guidelines as we know they are right and wise. So we adapt. It is not a punishment.

And if you are of the opinion - after considering all information available, that the guidelines are not right, and far from wise? What then?

There is a growing number of people not mindlessly accepting what the media is being fed to dispense.

And it’s not conspiracy nonsense, as much as it would suit many to dismiss it as such. It’s valid questioning of policies that have drastically altered society to mostly its detriment over six or eight months.

These restrictions may indeed feel like a punishment to those doing their best to follow the moving goalposts of government/NPHET, and denying themselves human interaction for the foreseeable future.

If drastic change was needed in the face of a dangerous virus to save lives, then restrictions would be warranted, the majority would comply.

They are not warranted. This virus is not what we were possibly arming ourselves against.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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