Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

covid20 · 30-09-2020 06:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Think we are really starting to see that restrictions just aren’t working...

Government/NPHET don’t want to look at alternatives so likely they’ll eventually have to do another national lockdown.

Not sure what they’ll do then when cases increase after...

Glynn has said this is the approach for next 9 months.

On a day when Shell are announcing 9000 job losses... I worry how things are going to be in 9 months.

You should see that your twisted logic isnt working more so

1 house party, 36 cases

Hulk Hands · 30-09-2020 06:42PM

topper75 wrote: »

I'm just mulling over some graphs there for various European nations and the cases seem as high as ever. But deaths have an utterly different profile.

The difference is shocking and cannot be merely explained by saying - 'younger people are getting it this time'.

I've heard of viruses 'evolving' or adapting to refrain from killing hosts (not in its interest as it needs a host to even exist).

To any posters out there up on virology, could that adaptation have occurred in mere months??!!

Cases were 10 times higher back in March than reported. Back then there was no such thing as an asymptomatic case as you weren't tested if you didn't have symptoms. Some people had to wait 15-20 days for tests and were negative by the time they took it. Most people with the mild symptoms the vast majority experience either didn't get referred for a test or didn't bother taking one.

The virus always had a tiny death rate, just now its not just the hospitalised people being tested.

FintanMcluskey · 30-09-2020 06:43PM

covid20 wrote: »

You should see that your twisted logic isnt working more so

1 house party, 36 cases

They need to utilise the track and trace system to help find out the age of the 20 currently in ICU so they can publish useful data.

FintanMcluskey · 30-09-2020 06:46PM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Cases were 10 times higher back in March than reported. Back then there was no such thing as an asymptomatic case as you weren't tested if you didn't have symptoms. Some people had to week 15-20 days for tests and were negative by the time they took it. Most people with the mild symptoms the vast majority experience either didn't get referred for a test or didn't bother taking one.

The virus always had a tiny death rate, just now its not just the hospitalised people being tested.

Exactly, we just decided that 1700 patients at the end of their natural lives who died in nursing homes died of Covid.

Coillte_Bhoy · 30-09-2020 06:48PM

covid20 wrote: »

It hasn't even happened yet.

As I said, misplaced fear from ye lot. No better than the people you mock.

wtf do you mean? What misplaced fear from me??

covid20 · 30-09-2020 06:53PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

wtf do you mean? What misplaced fear from me??

Swap fear for health with fear of economic ruin or mental health fears or fear of missing out in the saddest cases.

Fear of not have something to whinge about maybe for some

Penfailed · 30-09-2020 06:58PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I always wanted this country to re open, back in 1st week of May actually when that idiotic 2 week lockdown extension was announced. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

We have missed 4 months worth of economic recovery since. And now we are back to the start...

No, we're not.

Coillte_Bhoy · 30-09-2020 07:01PM

covid20 wrote: »

Swap fear for health with fear of economic ruin or mental health fears or fear of missing out in the saddest cases.

Fear of not have something to whinge about maybe for some

Sorry but i didnt express any such viewpoints so whoever 'ye lot' are, i aint one, i was just pointing out how ridiculous your idea was.

walus · 30-09-2020 07:02PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I don’t recall insulting anyone in public life but I sense a bit of desperation and bitterness from your posts unfortunately. I guess you’re not here for debate and are probably a previously banned user. Did the Dr Feeley debate last night give you a bit of a wake up call? When all McConkey could mutter was Guernsey and Faroe Islands as the bastions of hope for Ireland to strive towards? Laughable.
Bitterness can happen when people start to wake up and see their hysterical days are numbered. I do completely disagree with the strategy undertaken in Ireland, the role of NPHET being a defacto unelected government, a long line of professors pursuing zero Covid being trotted out and actually giving ‘alternative facts’ such as Tomás Ryan last Thursday on prime time re death rate & risk to children. And so so many other approaches that have occurred during this crisis. But I don’t think you really care, you’re just here to insult and belittled a valid viewpoint.

I have a similar view point. Also, it seems to me that nphet are operating theoretical models that overly simplify what appears to be a very complex and non-linear process of how the virus spreads. It sort of works in theory but as most of us here know theory is often different than practice. It just seems like an experiment that is not going according to expectations, but scraping the model means scraping the strategy and that in turn means saying: We got it wrong. I dealt with academic bunch for the past 15 years and have seen it happen on many occasions. The higher up the academic ladder one is, the least likely they are to admit to any mistakes. Instead, they prefer to keep pushing and mining for data that confirms their theories and beliefs. I’ll not even delve into the causation vs correlation problem that also appears in conjunction to that as they keep mining the data.

30-09-2020 07:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Think we are really starting to see that restrictions just aren’t working...

Government/NPHET don’t want to look at alternatives so likely they’ll eventually have to do another national lockdown.

Not sure what they’ll do then when cases increase after...

Glynn has said this is the approach for next 9 months.

On a day when Shell are announcing 9000 job losses globally, I worry how things are going to be in 9 months.

We are starting to see restrictions aren’t strict enough and too many people are selfish ignorant clowns. Cork almost guaranteed to get level 3 now and Galway very likely too.

Here is the outline of how a cluster in Galway came about. This is a real lesson to the idiotic house party attendees and those who think it’s safe to eat in a restaurant or be in a crowd inside

Borrowed from a poster in the galway form who watched the briefing

2 small house parties mingled and the result was 11 cases.
1 of those had dinner with someone next day and passed it on.
That person was in college, attended a class of 26 and of those 26, 15 got ill.

Another case outlined where a couple went out for dinner, later tested positive. They passed it to couple at the table next to them in the restaurant despite not mixing.

There was also hints that much tighter restrictions or a more national lockdown are on the horizon and the reality is that we are not going to stop this virus otherwise. Anyone who loses a job can thank those going to house parties, those meeting in groups, those not social distancing, those ignoring guidelines, those who selfishly just want to “get on with life” etc.

Penfailed · 30-09-2020 07:08PM

covid20 wrote: »

Healthy debate brother, you just don't seem up for upsetting your rigid beliefs. This thread has been a groupthink deadend for months and few normal people enter.

*sister

covid20 · 30-09-2020 07:10PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Sorry but i didnt express any such viewpoints so whoever 'ye lot' are, i aint one, i was just pointing out how ridiculous your idea was.

I don't know your view so no comment, but many here have seriously wild fears of totalitarianism and all sorts of paranoia. It is quite funny. Coping mechanisms.

JP Liz V1 · 30-09-2020 07:11PM

covid20 wrote: »

You should see that your twisted logic isnt working more so

1 house party, 36 cases

They need to start handing out large fines, stopping dole, stopping pup, stopping college grants, high wage tax etc., some punishments for the large gatherings and parties

covid20 · 30-09-2020 07:14PM

walus wrote: »

I have a similar view point. Also, it seems to me that nphet are operating theoretical models that overly simplify what appears to be a very complex and non-linear process of how the virus spreads. It sort of works in theory but as most of us here know theory is often different than practice. It just seems like an experiment that is not going according to expectations, but scraping the model means scraping the strategy and that in turn means saying: We got it wrong. I dealt with academic bunch for the past 15 years and have seen it happen on many occasions. The higher up the academic ladder one is, the least likely they are to admit to any mistakes. Instead, they prefer to keep pushing and mining for data that confirms their theories and beliefs. I’m not even delve into the causation vs correlation problem that also appears in conjunction to that.

Just have the honesty to look at your own thinking in the same light. It is OK to be wrong.

hynesie08 · 30-09-2020 07:19PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

We are starting to see restrictions aren’t strict enough and too many people are selfish ignorant clowns. Cork almost guaranteed to get level 3 now and Galway very likely too.

Here is the outline of how a cluster in Galway came about. This is a real lesson to the idiotic house party attendees and those who think it’s safe to eat in a restaurant or be in a crowd inside

Borrowed from a poster in the galway form who watched the briefing

There was also hints that much tighter restrictions or a more national lockdown are on the horizon and the reality is that we are not going to stop this virus otherwise. Anyone who loses a job can thank those going to house parties, those meeting in groups, those not social distancing, those ignoring guidelines, those who selfishly just want to “get on with life” etc.

You mean the government?

So how many of these 36 ended up in icu? Or hospitals? Or even showed symptoms?

covid20 · 30-09-2020 07:21PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Funny how you should say 'paranoia' and yet here you are with a newly created 'battle account'. Wouldnt want your views associated with your proper account or got banned?

And sorry about that, I usually dont personalise my posts. Making an exception for you.

Neither

I don't wish to spent anymore than half a day on boards. It is not good for you, at all, waste of life energy.

Suggest you all delete your accounts and get some air.

30-09-2020 07:23PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

So how many of these 36 ended up in icu? Or hospitals? Or even showed symptoms?

Irrelevant, this is a lot stopping the spread as sooner or later it will start to hit those who are vulnerable and they we are really in bother.

Socialising is driving this virus on and simply has to stop by choice of by force with restrictions and very likely fines if we really want to force a bit of cop on into the “I just want to get on with my life” numpties.

hynesie08 · 30-09-2020 07:28PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Irrelevant, this is a lot stopping the spread as sooner or later it will start to hit those who are vulnerable and they we are really in bother.

Hardly irrelevant if people aren't getting sick.

I didn't know it was the 5 level "stopping the spread" plan......

You seem really bitter about people having friends. Wanna talk about it.

walus · 30-09-2020 07:32PM

covid20 wrote: »

Just have the honesty to look at your own thinking in the same light. It is OK to be wrong.

Absolutely. Ultimately all models are wrong, but some are useful.

Ginger n Lemon · 30-09-2020 07:36PM

Covid20 and Nox working hard to keep us entertained.

Another day passes where 0 - 1 person dies.

Unemployment at 30 September confirmed at 14.7%. 1 in 6 unemployed for over 6 months now.

God I sure didnt expect to be posting in this thread going into October but here we are......

Wer are those geniuses who kept posting "deaths will catch up with increase in new cases"?

Ginger n Lemon · 30-09-2020 07:38PM

covid20 wrote: »

Neither

I don't wish to spent anymore than half a day on boards. It is not good for you, at all, waste of life energy.

Suggest you all delete your accounts and get some air.

Over 100 posts in under 6 hours. Are you going for Guinness world record?

Where is PJ for a smart remark when you need him. Penfailed - help

covid20 · 30-09-2020 07:38PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Covid20 and Nox working hard to keep us entertained.

Another day passes where 0 - 1 person dies.

Unemployment at 30 September confirmed at 14.7%. 1 in 6 unemployed for over 6 months now.

God I sure didnt expect to be posting in this thread going into October but here we are......

Wer are those geniuses who kept posting "deaths will catch up with increase in new cases"?

And none of you geniuses have a solution that doesn't involve breaking the will of the people by a million cuts or wrecking the economy. Drag the arse out of it for years is not a plan.

Real Donald Trump · 30-09-2020 07:43PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Covid20 and Nox working hard to keep us entertained.

Another day passes where 0 - 1 person dies.

Unemployment at 30 September confirmed at 14.7%. 1 in 6 unemployed for over 6 months now.

God I sure didnt expect to be posting in this thread going into October but here we are......

Wer are those geniuses who kept posting "deaths will catch up with increase in new cases"?

The two of them really should stop watching RTE

walus · 30-09-2020 07:43PM

covid20 wrote: »

I don't know your view so no comment, but many here have seriously wild fears of totalitarianism and all sorts of paranoia. It is quite funny. Coping mechanisms.

Tell that those who experienced totalitarian systems. They will laugh at you. Your thinking is grounded in experiences and beliefs of those who brought you up. You don’t have even a notion what it is like.
Covid is a risk to democracies, it is causing the wealth gap to widen as it will accelerate the demise of middle class jobs - a process that has been happening already for the past 3 decades. And it is the middle class that is the foundation of democracy.

Nox here is pointing to property market as if this is the only economic indicator. It maybe the only indicator that remains positive, for know that is. Who can afford properties these days? I give you a clue - those who are in the upper class of income. The lower class and continuously shrinking middle class will have their dreams of owning a property slashed considerably, at the same time the landlords will thrive.

Edit: I’m personally very concerned where this is heading. We already accepted that those “ to big to fail” companies get bailed out. We socialize losses and privatize gains. The burden of when things go wrong is loaded on the shrinking middle class. That is a threat to democracy and people should not be fooled when “ we are all in this together” is on the agenda. Some of us are more in this than others.

Ginger n Lemon · 30-09-2020 07:44PM

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

The two of them really should stop watching RTE

Donald I am very happy you join us.

Be careful of covid20, you may just be called a "clown" and be told to "shut up man"

ohhh thats very good :pac::D

MadYaker · 30-09-2020 07:44PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Covid20 and Nox working hard to keep us entertained.

Another day passes where 0 - 1 person dies.

Unemployment at 30 September confirmed at 14.7%. 1 in 6 unemployed for over 6 months now.

God I sure didnt expect to be posting in this thread going into October but here we are......

Wer are those geniuses who kept posting "deaths will catch up with increase in new cases"?

To be honest if the bodies were pilling up outside morgues you'd still be saying everything is grand. Deaths have actually risen, you haven't noticed. For some reason you thought all this would be solved by now?

You're ability to asses current events isn't the best clearly.

Ginger n Lemon · 30-09-2020 07:51PM

MadYaker wrote: »

To be honest if the bodies were pilling up outside morgues you'd still be saying everything is grand. Deaths have actually risen, you haven't noticed. For some reason you thought all this would be solved by now? You're ability to asses current events isn't the best clearly.

ohhh welcome back. You and your IFS.

what if

but if

yeah if

god how do you keep posting this rubbish?

:rolleyes:

hynesie08 · 30-09-2020 07:53PM

MadYaker wrote: »

To be honest if the bodies were pilling up outside morgues you'd still be saying everything is grand. Deaths have actually risen, you haven't noticed. For some reason you thought all this would be solved by now? You're ability to asses current events isn't the best clearly.

Well yes, deaths have risen from 0 to 1 today, but are you actually claiming that they're rising compared to May?

bucketybuck · 30-09-2020 07:58PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Well yes, deaths have risen from 0 to 1 today, but are you actually claiming that they're rising compared to May?

He wouldn't be the first in this thread to point at a very small number rising to another still very small number and consider it proof that the world was about to end.

Two months cases have been increasing and yet deaths remain statistically low, thats a pesky fact that some people don't seem to want to acknowledge.

Penfailed · 30-09-2020 08:01PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Over 100 posts in under 6 hours. Are you going for Guinness world record?

Sounds close to your record on your first day posting to be fair.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings