2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Totally disagree - Biden backing out plays into Trumps hands as no matter the reasons that Biden might put forward , it will be spun by Trump as Biden being afraid or Not up to the job etc.

The next Debate is Townhall style - Given how the townhalls they both held recently went I think that will work for Biden.

Trump will get at least one question that he really doesn't like from the audience and if he responds to them the way he spoke last night it will damage him.

I honestly don't think that there's any question that someone could ask Biden that would go as low a Trump did last night so I think that Biden will handle them quite well.

It will be interesting to hear the line taken by Trump today/tomorrow when they start to get their feedback and polling data after the debate. At best, their data will tell them that it made no difference to the current standings

I genuinely think that if anyone pulls out of the debates it'll be Trump - He'll go and hold rallies in Swing States instead , like he did in the Primary debates last time around.

He'll claim the moderators are in the bag for Biden etc.

I'm thinking it's even money until the next round of polling to see if the #IMPOTUS pulls out. If he drops in the polls overall, I'd say he will. Biden doesn't have to do much in these debates (which, ffs, aren't debates at all, they're joint press conferences). It's not like the Ford/Carter debates and Ford convincing everyone he really was an idiot with what he said about Poland and the Soviet Union. We *know* the #IMPOTUS. As Biden said last night when quoting Maya Angelou, when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. The #IMPOTUS is exactly what he showed last night. He doesn't kid. He doesn't really joke (he's sort of an inept Don Rickles insult comedian). He's dumb, lazy and massively narcissistic.

I don't get the idea that either candidate can drop out of the debates - it would do massive damage to their campaign in terms of the undecided voters. There's no way they can spin it as a positive.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What are the proud boys? They seem like a pretty diverse bunch of people with no clear agenda. Gavin McInnes started them and he is not some unhinged white supremacist. He's actually a really funny guy online although every media "file photo" they always use makes him look like an evil modern day Hitler.

Just to annoy them I hope guys who attended LGBTQ+ pride events start referring to themselves as proud boys

Deleted User wrote: »

What are the proud boys? They seem like a pretty diverse bunch of people with no clear agenda. Gavin McInnes started them and he is not some unhinged white supremacist. He's actually a really funny guy online although every media "file photo" they always use makes him look like an evil modern day Hitler.

They're a misogynistic hate group who are a rally away from being a militia. They're also heavily armed because seemingly they can't win a one on one fight.

They're an incel hell's angels without the street cred, and they just got called to arms by trump.

breezy1985 wrote: »

Just to annoy them I hope guys who attended LGBTQ+ pride events start referring to themselves as proud boys

Pride boys...... Steal their logo and font but have it in the rainbow colours....... That'd be incredible.

hynesie08 wrote: »

Pride boys...... Steal their logo and font but have it in the rainbow colours....... That'd be incredible.

Matching tight fitting t-shirts but with rainbow camo too

breezy1985 wrote: »

Matching tight fitting t-shirts but with rainbow camo too

Probably already have them, they are pro Gay rights.

I thought Trump came out of the blocks quite well. Now, obviously, nothing he said was actually true, but his relentless jabber seemed to have Biden rattled and he looked tired and old in those first 10-15 minutes. I feared an epic collapse by Biden. He managed to rescue it as the debate went on. He's far from inspiring, it's hard to know what he really stands for and his gaffes are not great: he does look and talk like a man who is nearly 80.

But, Trump, is just a horrible being. Endless windbaggery, constant interruption, zero actual substance, blatant lies - just awful. How anyone, right or left, Republican or Democrat, could vote for that is truly beyond me. It never stops being shocking that he's the President. Surely, enough is enough. What a horrible, horrible man.

In short: Trump would be absolutely annihilated by a younger fresher candidate, but, he's so bad that Biden - for all his flaws - probably will do it.

The Rooster wrote: »

It means that in the UK, more money has been placed on Biden than on Trump over the last 24 hours.
If someone decided to put £1 million quid on Trump this afternoon, his odds would come in. Wouldn't mean he'd have more or less chance of winning.

That's not how it works - if it was, bookie's wouldn't stay in busimess long.

Other factors are taken into account.

The VP candidate debates men nothing although it'll be interesting to see if Pence is willing to get down and dirty and drag up Harris' affair with Willie Brown.

The main thing that got on my tits was Wallace trying to get Trump to condemn the Proud Boys specifically, and as much as people want them to be, they are not white supremacists. Biden stating antifa is not an organisation but an idea was just delusional. Biden had the chance to disavow Antifa and distance himself from them and he just couldn’t do it, instead stating he doesn’t condemn violence. He was directly asked to condemn Antifa rioters actually. Trump should have questioned why Obama and Biden failed to declare the KKK as terrorist org in their 8 years in office? Was it because it was founded by democrats or of its Democrat founding?

Trump didn't "refuse" to denounce white supremacy, as much of the media and social media is now propagating.There has been months of continuous Antifa and BLMs violence, undeniable hoards of evidence to prove this, but still, its white supremacy. He has condemned white supremacists on multiple occasions. The MSM fail to portray this, nor will perpetual anti Trump people accept it. He signed an executive order naming the KKK a terrorist organisation https://nypost.com/2020/09/25/trump-to-designate-kkk-antifa-as-terrorist-groups-in-black-empowerment-plan/amp/ . There aren't many stronger condemnations of white supremacists than that. But Trump could say it 1,000,00 times on prime time tv and the people who don't like him would want 1,000,001.

How many white supremacists do you see burning buildings, rioting, attacking and killing people in the street? It isn’t “white supremacists" ruining cities and killing people. It’s Antifa and BLM.. We have seen weeks of footage showing their anarchy and racist Ideologies but yet Trump is demanded to disavow Proud Boys? What have the PB set fires to. What homes have they destroyed? What black businesses have they destroyed or burned down? What stores have they looted? Where is the evidence of this to match the extensive video evidence of the chaos in the states, as result of BLM and antifa, which shows Proud boys doing the same. And yet we have a member of the PB who was murdered in a co-ordinated assassination by a self confessed member of antifa….. A cold blooded murder. The current leader the Proud Boys is Enrique Tarrio who is missed race. A half black, half Cuban guy lad and the democrats/wallace call it a white supremacist group? TBH I don’t know why Trump said he was “willing to do that” when he was asked to condemn white supremacy as if he hasn’t done it before, that was strange. When he shifted it to antifa because he knew Wallace wasn’t going to push Biden on antifa what so ever, I don’t blame him for doing this as Trump wasn’t only debating Biden.

A person who has the ability to remain neutral should only moderate debates. The US viewer wasn’t even a secondary concern to wallace. Biased media from either side should not have any role in debates in the future. Trump is asked about NY Times story and Biden gets a pass on his own aswell as Hunter. Every time Biden was getting pummelled, Chris shielded him hard. Debated on bidders behalf. Wallace laughing along with Biden also was not a good look. Biden went unchallenged by Wallace on numerous occasions. Allowing Biden to not answering questions or follow up. This is supposed to be a “conservative” mod. Wallace Pushed the “fine people” narrative, and tried working it in when footage shows Trump clarifying what he said but as usual its taken out of context completely to fit the lefts narrative. What was with “community policing”? Is that the democrats round about way of stating defund the police?

And of course Biden used the cameras to his advantage, the numerous scripted, grand standing plea's looking into the camera to talk to the viewers as if they haven’t got a clue. Like he does with black people. When Biden said Trump is the worst President America has ever had, I couldn’t help but facepalm. I would have though the presidents that ok'd slavery maybe? no?

Does Biden think people are that gullible to believe this? “We left him a booming economy. And he caused the recession.” The Obama administration did not leave the economy booming and I think he forgets we are in the middle of a Global pandemic.

Even tho it was a bit of a sh**T show, this was the highlight for me:
https://twitter.com/M2Madness/status/1311132315163258888

Penn wrote: »

He didn't. He said White Supremacists. It was Biden who said "Proud Boys" when Trump was asking who specifically Wallace wanted him to condemn.

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1311127476391772160?s=20

Yeah I mixed that up cheers. Trump saying stand back and stand by was moronic!!!!

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I wish the left would be more creative like your suggestion.

That's a much better reaction than suppression and censorship.

I imagine you would be a fan. Being a bear and all