2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Danzy · 30-09-2020 12:17PM

https://twitter.com/EquipoTrump/status/1306268390613561354?s=20

Telemundo poll gives Trump 2 to 1 debate victory.

Indicative of the inroads he has made in the Hispanic vote.

https://www.newsweek.com/66-percent-spanish-speaking-americans-telemundo-poll-think-trump-just-won-debate-1535176

TexasTornado · 30-09-2020 12:21PM

Joe is going to regret a lot of the stuff he said last night i think. Trump dragged him down to his level on purpose and Joe fell into his trap. A sharp politician would have destroyed Trump last night.

Trump refusing to be critical of proud boys.

Joe saying Antifa doesn't exist.

This is pure madness. Someone needs to step forward and call these two twits out on this. America deserves better.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 30-09-2020 12:22PM

Danzy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/EquipoTrump/status/1306268390613561354?s=20

Telemundo poll gives Trump 2 to 1 debate victory.

Indicative of the inroads he has made in the Hispanic vote.

This is something I'm missing, has biden said something in the past that has turned them away from him..

Also, trump is doing better with the mid forties to early fifties group but is losing in the older voters, I can only guess this has got to do with the pandemic response or lack there of.

eagle eye · 30-09-2020 12:22PM

I think in the minds of most unbiased people, hard to be unbiased on Trump I know, it was a draw last night.

In boxing each round has to have a winner, so I'm asking you that thought it was a draw that if you had to mark it 10-9 which way would you go?

I'd go Biden 10 Trump 9 personally. I did think there was nothing in it though.

Please only answer this if you thought there was no winner.

TexasTornado · 30-09-2020 12:24PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It's a bit mad, Joe Biden is asking people to for him as President, even though we all know he won't actually have much say if he gets in office. The decisions will be all made for him. They'll be electing the very shady inner workings of the democrat party and their vested interests.

At least with Trump you know he is the leader. The party falls in line for what he wants. You won't be getting into any shady wars. He won't sign up for shabby trade deals. Immigration will be limited.

Trump is no more a leader than i am a quarter back for the 49'ers

gmisk · 30-09-2020 12:33PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It's a bit mad, Joe Biden is asking people to for him as President, even though we all know he won't actually have much say if he gets in office. The decisions will be all made for him. They'll be electing the very shady inner workings of the democrat party and their vested interests.

At least with Trump you know he is the leader. The party falls in line for what he wants. You won't be getting into any shady wars. He won't sign up for shabby trade deals. Immigration will be limited.

Do you honestly believe Trump has a clue what is going on under a lot of his leadership?...he is entirely clueless!
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/no-one-listens-to-the-president/587557/

Shabby trade deals are you joking?
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51055491

Shady dealings galore btw under his watch...who knows where to start...maybe the contracts for "the wall"?
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/trump-border-wall-contractor/590242/

https://apnews.com/article/mexico-kevin-cramer-donald-trump-texas-laredo-2f617a0f7c5c6ebdd5a175144c5cb1fb

This is before we get into his and his families involvement in Steve bannons fradulent "we build the wall" scheme.

The Rooster · 30-09-2020 12:33PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I think in the minds of most unbiased people, hard to be unbiased on Trump I know, it was a draw last night.

In boxing each round has to have a winner, so I'm asking you that thought it was a draw that if you had to mark it 10-9 which way would you go?

I'd go Biden 10 Trump 9 personally. I did think there was nothing in it though.

Please only answer this if you thought there was no winner.

Agree that an unbiased person would call it largely a draw.

To use your boxing analogy I'd take it a step further that judges often lean towards the champion in a tight bout, in the challenger has to demonstrate that he won. So I'd go 10-9 Trump.

I think Biden will see it as a missed opportunity. He did ok, but he didn't land anything on Trump, he missed the openings Trump left for him.

Trump was his usual ignorant, obnoxious, odious self. He'll have far less regrets, things went largely as planned.

Overall, I doubt many swing voters were swayed.

Abel Ruiz · 30-09-2020 12:37PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

This is pure madness. Someone needs to step forward and call these two twits out on this. America deserves better.

Why does it?

Sure why is there only two possibilities? Its a joke of an election.
Two clowns.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-09-2020 12:40PM

Interestingly, the odds on a Biden in have dropped a good bit in the last 24 hours, read into that waht you will....

breezy1985 · 30-09-2020 12:44PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Interestingly, the odds on a Biden in have dropped a good bit in the last 24 hours, read into that waht you will....

By how much?

Muahahaha · 30-09-2020 12:49PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Interestingly, the odds on a Biden in have dropped a good bit in the last 24 hours, read into that waht you will....

Would think the odds on Biden dropping is a consolidation, he's ahead in all the polls for swing states and didnt lose last night so now the betting markets have reacted to that.

TexasTornado · 30-09-2020 12:52PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Would think the odds on Biden dropping is a consolidation, he's ahead in all the polls for swing states and didnt lose last night so now the betting markets have reacted to that.

Id trust the polls as much as I'd trust Trump with my daughter

ohnonotgmail · 30-09-2020 12:54PM

The Rooster wrote: »

Agree that an unbiased person would call it largely a draw.

To use your boxing analogy I'd take it a step further that judges often lean towards the champion in a tight bout, in the challenger has to demonstrate that he won. So I'd go 10-9 Trump.

I think Biden will see it as a missed opportunity. He did ok, but he didn't land anything on Trump, he missed the openings Trump left for him.

Trump was his usual ignorant, obnoxious, odious self. He'll have far less regrets, things went largely as planned.

Overall, I doubt many swing voters were swayed.

to continue the boxing analogy trump is behind in the polls so he needed a knockout. he didnt deliver anything close to that. instead he punched himself in the face a few times.

Timberrrrrrrr · 30-09-2020 12:56PM

The Rooster wrote: »

Biden called Trump a "clown" once from what I saw and immediately apologised.

He also told him to "shut up" and that he was the "worst president in history".

Trump's insults would be too many to list.

He apologised the second time he called him a clown.

namloc1980 · 30-09-2020 12:57PM

Trump wasn't able to deliver anything close to a knockout blow to a guy supposedly suffering dementia. He probably inflicted a few damaging hits on himself if anything. Doesn't say much for Trump to be honest.

Timberrrrrrrr · 30-09-2020 12:58PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Interestingly, the odds on a Biden in have dropped a good bit in the last 24 hours, read into that waht you will....

Sky bet have Biden 4/7 Trump 11/8 at the moment.

terryduff12 · 30-09-2020 01:01PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

What happens when you buy love...

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1311187188164579333?s=09

More like when when a couple have forgotten seeing each other 20 minutes earlier in the car ride over to the debate. Cause every husband and wife greet like that every time they see each other.

hynesie08 · 30-09-2020 01:03PM

terryduff12 wrote: »

More like when when a couple have forgotten seeing each other 20 minutes earlier in the car ride over to the debate. Cause every husband and wife greet like that every time they see each other.

Yeah, look at her being proud of her husband, must be dementia......

terryduff12 · 30-09-2020 01:06PM

Nothing to do with being proud. Its supposedly about how much love they have for each other

eagle eye · 30-09-2020 01:07PM

namloc1980 wrote:

Trump wasn't able to deliver anything close to a knockout blow to a guy supposedly suffering dementia. He probably inflicted a few damaging hits on himself if anything. Doesn't say much for Trump to be honest.

His 47 months to 47 years comparison was a win. Biden losing his cool a couple of times were wins too. The first five minutes was won by Trump.
Biden won the covid argument by a long way. His looking at the camera and telling people to vote was a win too. His looking at the camera and smiling was a win.
I'm missing a few things but generally it was awful and there was no winner.

The Rooster · 30-09-2020 01:09PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Sky bet have Biden 4/7 Trump 11/8 at the moment.

Yep. It's still pretty marginal and all based on money staked in UK and Ireland.

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2020/winner?selectionName=donald-trump

Quin_Dub · 30-09-2020 01:16PM

eagle eye wrote: »

His 47 months to 47 years comparison was a win. Biden losing his cool a couple of times were wins too. The first five minutes was won by Trump.
Biden won the covid argument by a long way. His looking at the camera and telling people to vote was a win too. His looking at the camera and smiling was a win.
I'm missing a few things but generally it was awful and there was no winner.

That's not an unreasonable summary.

Fundamentally though if you consider what each side needed from the Debate , who achieved more of their Goals?

Biden needed to be steady , not lose his temper and avoid any major "meme-able" gaffs.

By and large he achieved those things , he got pulled into the street fight a few times by Trump , but pulled himself back fairly quickly.

Trump on the other hand needed Biden to stumble to validate his whole "Sleepy Joe" thing , he needed to land major punches which I don't think he did to any major extent.

So , whilst neither side could confidently call last night a win , in terms of delivering on the Debate "table stakes" I think Biden did far better.

tobefrank321 · 30-09-2020 01:21PM

eagle eye wrote: »

His 47 months to 47 years comparison was a win. Biden losing his cool a couple of times were wins too. The first five minutes was won by Trump.
Biden won the covid argument by a long way. His looking at the camera and telling people to vote was a win too. His looking at the camera and smiling was a win.
I'm missing a few things but generally it was awful and there was no winner.

Ah stop it. He was blaming Biden for failures that happened on his watch and had nothing to do with Biden.

The rest was just one very long list of lies.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 30-09-2020 01:22PM

terryduff12 wrote: »

More like when when a couple have forgotten seeing each other 20 minutes earlier in the car ride over to the debate. Cause every husband and wife greet like that every time they see each other.

She's more Android then Donnie, perfect couple!!

tobefrank321 · 30-09-2020 01:23PM

The only way Trump can "win" debates like this is by turning them into such a sh1tshow that a large number of independents and undecideds get turned off politics. And there appears to be evidence already for that happening. He's dragged the presedential race through the mud and turned off millions who probably can't be bothered voting.

hynesie08 · 30-09-2020 01:30PM

[QUOTE=eagle eye;114775944]His 47 months to 47 years comparison was a win. Biden losing his cool a couple of times were wins too. The first five minutes was won by Trump.
Biden won the covid argument by a long way. His looking at the camera and telling people to vote was a win too. His looking at the camera and smiling was a win.
I'm missing a few things but generally it was awful and there was no winner.[/QUOTE]

As a soundbite its a win, although it was balanced out by bidens suburb zinger....

As a checkable fact though, every time trump made a claim, Biden seemed to either have a researched, fact check rebuttal (trump defunding the police, coronavirus deaths, climate change) or trump was just pulling statements out of his ass (vaccine in weeks, insulin as cheap as water)

Biden ducked and dodged a few questions, and if you put any of the last 3 potus up against either of them, they would have pissed themselves, but I'm at a loss to see how anyone can claim trump won last night.

tobefrank321 · 30-09-2020 01:31PM

At this stage its best for Biden to forego remaining debates. He could beat Trump in every one hands down and all people will remember is them being chaos and Trump turning everyone off voting. That's what happens when you mud wrestle. Everyone gets mud on them no matter how clean they were at the start.

tobefrank321 · 30-09-2020 01:33PM

The suburb one landed cleanly as did Biden telling Trump to get off the golf course and back into the Oval Office.

Bass Reeves · 30-09-2020 01:37PM

eagle eye wrote: »

His 47 months to 47 years comparison was a win. Biden losing his cool a couple of times were wins too. The first five minutes was won by Trump.
Biden won the covid argument by a long way. His looking at the camera and telling people to vote was a win too. His looking at the camera and smiling was a win.
I'm missing a few things but generally it was awful and there was no winner.

Trump needs a win Biden only needs a score draw. Not sure if Biden losing his cool was a win for Trump. On the other hand it show he is not willing to be bullied by Trump. As we. His shut up comment show how Trump usually tries to bully other speakers. As long as Biden can hold his own in these debates and not stumble he is winning.

It like a football or hurling match you are 4-5 points up and the other side score a point it no problem as long as you go back down the field and do the same. Where the problem is if you let the other team in for a goal or a few points without reply.

Trump's statement to the proud boys ''to stand down stand by'' may come back to haunt them his shifting to get this vote out may leave him open to attack on the moderate right who may get queasy about it and consider it an attack on democracy. In his attempt to win extreme sections of voters he may stumble himself and Biden may have an open goal to score into. It like in a match and you are all out attacking to get a score you are vunerable to counter attack.

However Trump is a wiley operator as he showed against Hillary in 2016 and if any attack shoes success he will hammer home that point.. with two older candidates the VP debate may be just as important and Harris will need to win big on that

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 30-09-2020 01:43PM

15 undecided voters..

"Despite their indecisiveness, most described Trump in a negative light, including one of the participants who was leaning toward voting for the president. The voters characterized Trump as “unhinged,” “arrogant,” “forceful," a “bully,” “chaotic” and “un-American.”

When asked to describe Biden they offered: “better than expected,” “politician,” “compassion,” “coherent,” and a “nice guy lacking vision.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/30/undecided-voters-trump-biden-debate-423545

Loving this quote..

The roughly four voters who ended the night in Biden’s corner were stunned by Trump’s performance. Ruthie, a voter from Pennsylvania, described it as trying to “win an argument with a crackhead.”

Did Donnie take that drug test?

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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