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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • #9182
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,981 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    tanko wrote: »
    That’s the thing i can’t understand, why haven’t they got a much younger candidate??
    Any good debater would destroy Trump and reduce him to a gibbering mess. There has to be thousands of people out there who could do it.
    Biden looks like he’ll do well to survive until November let alone for four years after that.

    Sadly, Biden is more likely to appeal to more of the moderates and swing voters than most of the other Dem candidates. I think most agree Biden is bland, boring, unprogressive, won't be able to unite the country in any discernible way, and he's also old as f*ck.

    But considering he's beating Trump in the polls, particularly in many swing states... He's likely the best choice to have gone up against Trump.


  • #9183
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Leroy42 wrote: »


    Because Trump didn't and the knockout blow on the dementia suffering low energy Basement dwelling Biden, it has to be because of someone else.

    It cannot possibly be Trump's fault.

    It always needs to be someone else. If only Wallace had been on Trumps side, then Trump would have been able to deal with Biden properly.

    Invoking Poe's Law here.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #9184
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    tanko wrote: »
    That’s the thing i can’t understand, why haven’t they got a much younger candidate??
    Any good debater would destroy Trump and reduce him to a gibbering mess. There has to be thousands of people out there who could do it.
    Biden looks like he’ll do well to survive until November let alone for four years after that.

    Because a younger person would be, generally in DNC, more progressive. And that would be a clarion call for the GoP. A younger person would be classed as wanting to get rid of guns (the polls show a majority for that) so again, massive no-no.

    A younger person would be attacked for having no experience.

    People seem to think that any candidate would make a difference. Whatever candidate the DNC put up, no matter if it was Jesus himself (who would of course be classed as a socialist looking to give free healthcare and food) they would be attacked for whatever reason Trump could make up.


  • #9185
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,562 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Now on to Trumps lies on veteran healthcare.

    During a discussion on health care and insurance, Trump claimed 308,000 “military people” died because Biden “couldn’t provide them proper health care.”

    Facts First: This claim is misleading and misconstrues the findings of a government report.

    Trump seems to be referencing findings from a 2015 inspector general report that examined a backlog of healthcare applications at the Department of Veterans Affairs. The report found more than 307,000 records that remained pending in a VA enrollment system were for people who had already died, according to social security records.

    But the report did not reach conclusions about whether lack of health care caused those deaths, and due to data limitations, the VA’s inspector general’s office could not determine how many of those records actually represented veterans who applied for health care benefits.

    Moreover, the database in question contained some records for veterans who died before 1998, when Biden was a senator. And the report projected that at least 477,000 records pending in the system were missing application dates, which made the system “unreliable” for understanding the timeliness of care.

    https://www.abc17news.com/politics/national-politics/2020/09/30/fact-check-biden-and-trump-comments-at-the-first-debate


  • #9186
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    tanko wrote: »
    That’s the thing i can’t understand, why haven’t they got a much younger candidate??
    Any good debater would destroy Trump and reduce him to a gibbering mess. There has to be thousands of people out there who could do it.
    Biden looks like he’ll do well to survive until November let alone for four years after that.

    To be fair, the Primary system of selecting the candidate gives plenty people to throw their hat in to the ring.

    The top 4 delegate winners in the Democrat Primaries this time round were all in their 70's. Pete Buttigieg was fifth at 38 but would have been a god send to Trump able to play on his youth and his 'non traditional' personal life would have probably pushed swing voters towards Trump.

    All the above is even more frustrating when you think Obama is sitting at home at 59 having been retired for 4 years. Ideally it would have been Biden elected as President in 08 and Obama in the running now.


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  • #9187
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dwayneshintzy wrote: »
    What's your point in posting here then?


    You've said Trump won, but won't back it up with any reasoning once asked. If you're not interested in any kind of discussion, why bother posting at all?






    Trump style of discussion?


  • #9188
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Joe hasn’t condemned radical left violence or violence in the name of / instruction of BLM once.
    He had done so at least 3 times since June but I doubt that matters a jot to you.


  • #9189
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Tried watching some of this. Trump bellicose and obnoxious, Biden listless and not presidential by any standards.

    God help America


  • #9190
    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    It's incredible that with such a weak candidate, Trump supporters are left calling a conspiracy that Wallace is a secret DNC plant.

    If you really believe Biden is so bad, how poorly does that reflect on Trump that he couldn't debate with him?

    Just to say firstly that I'm far from a Trump supporter.

    Trump was never going to debate Biden, the dogs on the street know this and the Dems should've known this. But Biben being a weak opponent isn't the problem. Biden is the wrong opponent and by saying that that doesn't mean I think Trump is a particularly strong opponent.

    A person can be critical of two opposing teams.


  • #9191
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    The loser last night was America,

    You can bet your house that in 4 years time the media will be in the same kind of we must get Biden out frenzy as they currently are with Trump ,

    Both are awful candidates for President


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  • #9192
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,562 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Trump is not a debater. He lost the 2016 debates by a massive margin in polls afterwards, 63% for Hillary vs his 27%.

    If you are looking for a focused, mature, issue based debate, he's the wrong guy.

    If on the otherhand you want someone who will get down and dirty, roll around in the mud and throw some at everyone else, he's your guy.


  • #9193
    elefant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,694 ✭✭✭elefant


    Trump's 'You're a number two' quip must be a new low point in American presidential debate history.


  • #9194
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,785 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Tried watching some of this. Trump bellicose and obnoxious, Biden listless and not presidential by any standards.

    God help America

    Which standards are those? Can you list them?

    What do you mean by presidential?


  • #9195
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,957 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    elefant wrote:
    Trump's 'You're a number two' quip must be a new low point in American presidential debate history.
    I can't remember the exact words but did Biden call him a fool at one stage?


  • #9196
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Which standards are those? Can you list them?

    What do you mean by presidential?

    I'm sure one would be the fact he has clear cognitive issues,

    To me that seems like a pretty big issue,

    And i'm no fan of Donald ,


  • #9197
    TexasTornado
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭TexasTornado


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Trump is not a debater. He lost the 2016 debates by a massive margin in polls afterwards, 63% for Hillary vs his 27%.

    If you are looking for a focused, mature, issue based debate, he's the wrong guy.

    If on the otherhand you want someone who will get down and dirty, roll around in the mud and throw some at everyone else, he's your guy.

    I agree. It is very worrying Joe couldn't take advantage of how stupid Trump is. I can imagine someone like Obama or Clinton in their prime would have won the debate easy. I think Joe coming out of these debates not being a clear winner doesn't bode well for us.


  • #9198
    elefant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,694 ✭✭✭elefant


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I can't remember the exact words but did Biden call him a fool at one stage?

    A clown, I think.


  • #9199
    randd1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭randd1


    Das Reich wrote: »
    They want to reduce Brazilian production of food, that feeds more than 1 billion people on the world. Countries like China or Iran depends on it.

    No, they don't. And China and Iran don't depend on them for food.
    Das Reich wrote: »
    Those democrats are a danger for the other countries, look at how many problems Obama created on Arab countries.

    Nixon? Reagan? Bush Snr? Bush Jnr? Eisenhower? Trump? All engaged in wars and/or brutalised the Middle East as much as any Democrat.


  • #9200
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,046 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    TexasTornado wrote: »
    I agree. It is very worrying Joe couldn't take advantage of how stupid Trump is. I can imagine someone like Obama or Clinton in their prime would have won the debate easy. I think Joe coming out of these debates not being a clear winner doesn't bode well for us.

    Obama or especially Clinton would've left Trump in tears last night. Shivering on the floor.

    Two dreadful candidates last night. Rough 4 years ahead.


  • #9201
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,785 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    The Nal wrote: »
    Obama or especially Clinton would've left Trump in tears last night. Shivering on the floor.

    Two dreadful candidates last night. Rough 4 years ahead.

    I'd just be happy to see a bit of decorum and polite discourse to be honest. And no more dog whistle racism.

    You don't need to be the most remarkable person ever to be that person. Just a decent one.

    All the fascination on these circus debates is unhealthy..


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  • #9202
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,623 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    TexasTornado wrote: »
    I agree. It is very worrying Joe couldn't take advantage of how stupid Trump is. I can imagine someone like Obama or Clinton in their prime would have won the debate easy. I think Joe coming out of these debates not being a clear winner doesn't bode well for us.

    Obama would rip Trump to shreds which is why despite attacking Obama from day 1 he waited till after his second term to run because he knew he would get slaughtered.


  • #9203
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,623 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    elefant wrote: »
    A clown, I think.

    Will he has the hair and makeup


  • #9204
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,976 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Will he has the hair and makeup

    bada-boom *tish*


  • #9205
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    elefant wrote: »
    A clown, I think.

    Yup, twice :pac:


  • #9206
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,464 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Das Reich wrote: »
    They want to reduce Brazilian production of food, that feeds more than 1 billion people on the world. Countries like China or Iran depends on it. Those democrats are a danger for the other countries, look at how many problems Obama created on Arab countries.

    Brazil exports $500-600m food to China. Only small fraction of the $100+ billion China spends on food imports..

    What problems did Obama create on Arab countries? He pretty much removed most troops from Iraq and Afghanistan put there by his Republican predecessor, signed Iran nuclear deal.


  • #9207
    breezy1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,623 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    Brazil exports $500-600m food to China. Only small fraction of the $100+ billion China spends on food imports..

    What problems did Obama create on Arab countries? He pretty much removed most troops from Iraq and Afghanistan put there by his Republican predecessor, signed Iran nuclear deal.
    Ya but those are facts and facts have no place in a thread about Trump


  • #9208
    the purple tin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    Pair of morons. They are just embarrassing.
    Are these two jokers really the best that the most powerful nation in the world can put forward?


  • #9209
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    It's a bit mad, Joe Biden is asking people to for him as President, even though we all know he won't actually have much say if he gets in office. The decisions will be all made for him. They'll be electing the very shady inner workings of the democrat party and their vested interests.

    At least with Trump you know he is the leader. The party falls in line for what he wants. You won't be getting into any shady wars. He won't sign up for shabby trade deals. Immigration will be limited.


  • #9210
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,046 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    the purple tin wrote: »
    Pair of morons. They are just embarrassing.
    Are these two jokers really the best that the most powerful nation in the world can put forward?

    The soon to be 2nd most powerful nation in the world. The 21st century will be a Chinese century.

    The two idiots last night are putting more nails in the coffin.


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  • #9211
    The Rooster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Yup, twice :pac:
    Biden called Trump a "clown" once from what I saw and immediately apologised.

    He also told him to "shut up" and that he was the "worst president in history".

    Trump's insults would be too many to list.


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