2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

eire4 · 29-09-2020 05:37PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Hold on. In 2016 we had a very strong, capable and experienced candidate, but apparently, she was too elitist and part of the DC establishment.

We had Obama, which GoP love to tell everyone was too much style over substance and never actually got anything done.

So what exactly is it that you what in a candidate? IN a country that is as divided as the US, where middle ground is almost seen as giving up, and nuance is gone out the window.

Sanders? AOC type? Warren? Lets be honest, none of them had a snowballs chance in hell of getting near the WH.

It is easy to say that Biden is terrible, although there are very few actually facts used to back it up.

Close to half of the country does not vote on a regular basis. If either party actually enacted policies that would genuinely benefit the best economic interests of the vast majority of Americans maybe a good chunk of those non voters would change their minds and vote.

The fact is neither party cares about legislating in the best interests of Americans and that is not going to change as long as DC is so bought and paid for by wealthy individuals and major corporations. Hence you get the kind of dreadful to at best mediocre candidates the US gets not just in this election but on a consistent basis.

Foxtrol · 29-09-2020 05:38PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

If I were an American I would starve on the principle that I would be embarrassed to be in any way responsible for either being in power.

As an Irishman, my main interest is watching the Biden fans trying to pretend because Trump is worse, that biden is somehow not abysmal in his own right,

It Trumps wins, it would be hilarious in a warped way, if only to see the back peddling and the excuses coming out and of course the crying.

If Biden gets in then his inability will come to the fore and that too will be hilarious in a warped way also.

As a neutral I find the whole thing sort of fascinating and more entertaining than the sh1t shows that currently are on tv.

The bold shows you don't understand how elections work. If you don't partake or choose to throw away your vote, you are responsible for the person that is elected.

As far as Biden's 'inability' coming to the fore, if he puts qualified, competent, non-corrupt people in charge of departments and sits there and does nothing else it'll be a massive improvement on Trump.

eire4 · 29-09-2020 05:42PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

What specifically impresses people about Tulsi Gabbard?

What abilities and skills does Tulsi Gabbard have that would secure her victories in Michigan , Wisconsin and Pennsylvania?

Abilities and skills that clearly didn't impress virtually ANY Democratic primary voters?

Nothing impresses me about Gabbard. But only 23% was the national voter turnout for the primaries this year so hardly anything to write home about for any candidate.

Foxtrol · 29-09-2020 05:43PM

eire4 wrote: »

Close to half of the country does not vote on a regular basis. If either party actually enacted policies that would genuinely benefit the best economic interests of the vast majority of Americans maybe a good chunk of those non voters would change their minds and vote.

The fact is neither party cares about legislating in the best interests of Americans and that is not going to change as long as DC is so bought and paid for by wealthy individuals and major corporations. Hence you get the kind of dreadful to at best mediocre candidates the US gets not just in this election but on a consistent basis.

Sounds like the crap Bernie came out with during both his failed primaries. It is pure wishful thinking.

The bigger thing to get more people to vote would be to make it easier (e.g., not having to wait for hours in lines) but the GOP does everything it can to make it harder.

eire4 · 29-09-2020 05:46PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

The bold shows you don't understand how elections work. If you don't partake or choose to throw away your vote, you are responsible for the person that is elected.

As far as Biden's 'inability' coming to the fore, if he puts qualified, competent, non-corrupt people in charge of departments and sits there and does nothing else it'll be a massive improvement on Trump.

To be fair in the US their system is utterly corrupt and dysfunctional so I can easily see why roughly half of them don't bother to vote as why bother the system is corrupt and has no interest in them and there are no viable alternatives to the current endless cycle from the 2 corrupt establishment parties.

Totally agree with your second paragraph. Sadly that is how low the bar is in the US currently.

namloc1980 · 29-09-2020 05:51PM

eire4 wrote: »

To be fair in the US their system is utterly corrupt and dysfunctional so I can easily see why roughly half of them don't bother to vote as why bother the system is corrupt and has no interest in them and there are no viable alternatives to the current endless cycle from the 2 corrupt establishment parties.

Totally agree with your second paragraph. Sadly that is how low the bar is in the US currently.

Especially if you are in a solid Democratic or Republican state your vote is almost worthless in a presidential election. Candidates don't bother campaigning or advertising in most states and it's almost always the same 10 or so swing states that get the vast majority of the advertising and campaigning effort. Weird system in that context - candidates can pretty much ignore large parts of the country and still be in with strong chances of winning.

eire4 · 29-09-2020 05:51PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Sounds like the crap Bernie came out with during both his failed primaries. It is pure wishful thinking.

The bigger thing to get more people to vote would be to make it easier (e.g., not having to wait for hours in lines) but the GOP does everything it can to make it harder.

Ahh yes legislating in the best economic interest of the vast majority of Americans is "crap" to quote yourself. What a terrible idea doing what is best economically for most people rather then just looking after the wealthy and big business and at best doing little to nothing for the rest or worse actively screwing them.

Totally agree making voting easier should be done in the US such as say making election day a federal holiday, automatic voter registration upon reaching voting age etc. This would be the right thing to do no question.

eire4 · 29-09-2020 05:53PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Especially if you are in a solid Democratic or Republican state your vote is almost worthless in a presidential election. Candidates don't bother campaigning or advertising in most states and it's almost always the same 10 or so swing states that get the vast majority of the advertising and campaigning effort. Weird system in that context - candidates can pretty much ignore large parts of the country and still be in with strong chances of winning.

No question your right there. Crazy system which makes a persons vote more relevant and important or less so depending on where that person lives.

Foxtrol · 29-09-2020 06:01PM

Best description of what I've seen coming out of Fox News the last few days. Trying to hedge their bets between Biden may barely be able to stay awake and already giving excuses as to why he might perform well.

https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/1310971669280952331?s=20

da_miser · 29-09-2020 06:03PM

Joe must be having a bad day if he wont agree to something as simple as a ear piece check.
Could it be we will have car crash TV in a few hours?
https://twitter.com/ebonybowden/status/1310975414878248961

Cody montana · 29-09-2020 06:04PM

The debate is on at 2am.
Pass.

Cody montana · 29-09-2020 06:05PM

da_miser wrote: »

Joe must be having a bad day if he wont agree to something as simple as a ear piece check.
Could it be we will have car crash TV in a few hours?
https://twitter.com/ebonybowden/status/1310975414878248961

Why would he agree to that nonsense?

Timberrrrrrrr · 29-09-2020 06:07PM

da_miser wrote: »

Joe must be having a bad day if he wont agree to something as simple as a ear piece check.
Could it be we will have car crash TV in a few hours?
https://twitter.com/ebonybowden/status/1310975414878248961

Why should he debase himself like that? Will Trump agree to go through the same checks?

gmisk · 29-09-2020 06:10PM

da_miser wrote: »

Joe must be having a bad day if he wont agree to something as simple as a ear piece check.
Could it be we will have car crash TV in a few hours?
https://twitter.com/ebonybowden/status/1310975414878248961

Zero evidence...and her twitter is very pro Trump...nope not buying it

mcmoustache · 29-09-2020 06:18PM

gmisk wrote: »

Zero evidence...and her twitter is very pro Trump...nope not buying it

To be fair, it was originally from FOX who got it from someone familiar with the negotiations.

osarusan · 29-09-2020 06:25PM

Could we be in for something like this?

Foxtrol · 29-09-2020 06:37PM

eire4 wrote: »

Ahh yes legislating in the best economic interest of the vast majority of Americans is "crap" to quote yourself. What a terrible idea doing what is best economically for most people rather then just looking after the wealthy and big business and at best doing little to nothing for the rest or worse actively screwing them.

Totally agree making voting easier should be done in the US such as say making election day a federal holiday, automatic voter registration upon reaching voting age etc. This would be the right thing to do no question.

No, the 'crap' is believing that these new voters will magically appear out of thin air. There is no evidence of this on a national level in the US, hence why Bernie lost twice. Another example is how most GOP voters vote against nearly every area of their own self interests.

Obamacare, for all its faults and not going far enough, was in the best interests of the vast majority of Americans, yet the Democrats were slaughtered for it at the polls.

namloc1980 · 29-09-2020 06:37PM

Jesus the mud is flying already

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29-09-2020 06:43PM

da_miser wrote: »

Joe must be having a bad day if he wont agree to something as simple as a ear piece check.
Could it be we will have car crash TV in a few hours?
https://twitter.com/ebonybowden/status/1310975414878248961

The NY Post are basically the US equivalent of The Sun but good to see you're getting the conspiracies ready early..

namloc1980 · 29-09-2020 06:46PM

Biden and Harris have both released their 2019 tax returns ahead of the debate tonight. Clear contrast to the guy in the White House under a tax audit.

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hotmail.com · 29-09-2020 06:49PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Biden and Harris have both released their 2019 tax returns ahead of the debate tonight. Clear contrast to the guy in the White House under a tax audit.

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Whilst the intention is to embarrass Trump, this just shows how wealthy US politicians are.

eire4 · 29-09-2020 06:57PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

No, the 'crap' is believing that these new voters will magically appear out of thin air. There is no evidence of this on a national level in the US, hence why Bernie lost twice. Another example is how most GOP voters vote against nearly every area of their own self interests.

Obamacare, for all its faults and not going far enough, was in the best interests of the vast majority of Americans, yet the Democrats were slaughtered for it at the polls.

There is also no evidence that many who do not vote would not turn out to vote if given a viable reason either. The corporate owned Democrats have for 40 odd years in particular legislated for the wealth and big business. This has seen income inequality explode in the US as an example of how they have abandoned the best economic interests of the vast majority of Americans. The fact remains that the corporate Democrats legislate for the wealthy ang big business and other then some crumbs thrown out to the masses they could care less about the vast majority of Americans economically.

The ACA was and is a step in the right direction no question. However because it did not change the fundamental dynamics of for profit health care in the US health care premiums continue to rise and rise and are unsustainable. The corporate owned Democrats refused to countenance having a system that was anything other then based on profit and peoples ability to have good health care remains based on their ability to pay.

Your also correct the corporate Democrats got slaughtered for it in the initial years. Their bungled roll out of the ACA certainly did not help. Nor did the complex nature of the act nor the heavy administrative burden it put on doctors as examples. That is their own fault.

Kidchameleon · 29-09-2020 06:58PM

Has anyone seen the Project Veritas video showing alleged vote harvesting? I found it very interesting.

Minneapolis police investigating ballot harvesting claims amid allegations surrounding Omar

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-police-omar-ballot-harvesting

I'm no fan of Ilhan Omar but if this is true, she needs to be locked up. If I were American I'd be very worried right now that my vote may not count in November.

Thoughts?

Quin_Dub · 29-09-2020 06:59PM

da_miser wrote: »

Joe must be having a bad day if he wont agree to something as simple as a ear piece check.
Could it be we will have car crash TV in a few hours?
https://twitter.com/ebonybowden/status/1310975414878248961

She's already walking it back.

https://twitter.com/ebonybowden/status/1310999999573110784

To be fair , the Trump team aided by Fox News blinding accepting what they were told bear the responsibility here.

So - Looks like it's all Trump trying to get the excuses lined up.

Kidchameleon · 29-09-2020 07:00PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Whilst the intention is to embarrass Trump, this just shows how wealthy US politicians are.

They didn't even scan the documents properly, lob sided af

Cody montana · 29-09-2020 07:01PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Predictions on Biden anyone?

He was given the questions
He was drugged up
It was a hologram/double
He had an ear piece

Called it 2 days ago regarding the excuses!

salmocab · 29-09-2020 07:04PM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Has anyone seen the Project Veritas video showing alleged vote harvesting? I found it very interesting.

Minneapolis police investigating ballot harvesting claims amid allegations surrounding Omar

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-police-omar-ballot-harvesting

I'm no fan of Ilhan Omar but if this is true, she needs to be locked up. If I were American I'd be very worried right now that my vote may not count in November.

Thoughts?

The article calls them a controversial group that has produced misleading videos. That’s Fox News calling them that.

Kidchameleon · 29-09-2020 07:15PM

salmocab wrote: »

The article calls them a controversial group that has produced misleading videos. That’s Fox News calling them that.

Absolutely, and as I sad, they are allegations at this point but the Veritas YouTube channel has videos that seem to back up their claims. There is also enough to get the Minneapolis police involved. Veritas are also known to drip feed information so expect more from them in the coming days/weeks.

ohnonotgmail · 29-09-2020 07:17PM

eire4 wrote: »

There is also no evidence that many who do not vote would not turn out to vote if given a viable reason either. The corporate owned Democrats have for 40 odd years in particular legislated for the wealth and big business. This has seen income inequality explode in the US as an example of how they have abandoned the best economic interests of the vast majority of Americans. The fact remains that the corporate Democrats legislate for the wealthy ang big business and other then some crumbs thrown out to the masses they could care less about the vast majority of Americans economically.

The ACA was and is a step in the right direction no question. However because it did not change the fundamental dynamics of for profit health care in the US health care premiums continue to rise and rise and are unsustainable. The corporate owned Democrats refused to countenance having a system that was anything other then based on profit and peoples ability to have good health care remains based on their ability to pay.

Your also correct the corporate Democrats got slaughtered for it in the initial years. Their bungled roll out of the ACA certainly did not help. Nor did the complex nature of the act nor the heavy administrative burden it put on doctors as examples. That is their own fault.

the corporate owned democrats? how do you write that with a straight face?

Leroy42 · 29-09-2020 07:23PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Whilst the intention is to embarrass Trump, this just shows how wealthy US politicians are.

Isn't Trump a billionaire?

So having wealthy people running the country was supposed to be the best thing, or at least that was the message in 2016.

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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