2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Foxtrol · 29-09-2020 04:32PM

Cody montana wrote: »

A border wall update from CBP to prepare you for the debate tonight. -341 miles of new wall complete
-36 miles in areas where no previous barriers existed
-27 of those 36 miles are a secondary layer of wall.
-Trump has said 450 miles of wall will be completed by year’s end.

How much of that is falling down?

How much has Mexico paid for?

Billy Mays · 29-09-2020 04:34PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

^^^^^

There it is again....mention the failings of Biden, and its the usual "but trump did this...."

As if that somehow negates the mental issues of biden.

Priceless.

There it is again....pointing this out for what must be at least the 50th time

Quin_Dub · 29-09-2020 04:41PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

There it is again....mention the failings of Trump, and its the usual "but Biden did this...."

As if that somehow negates the mental issues of Trump.

Priceless.

Both sides do this - don't pretend otherwise. And why? Because both men are going head to head in this election - they are going to be compared in everything that happens.

Elections are never about "Pick the one that's perfect" they are ALWAYS about picking the one that's least worst - Everywhere the world over , always that way.

Based on the polling thus far it would seem that a majority of the electorate view Biden as the least worst of the available choices.

He is also the best suited to win this election for the Democratic party - He is a "horses for courses" choice simple as that.

He reaches sufficiently far into the GOP Overton window that he secures the swing States that others in the Democratic party could not.

He is the dull , boring, pragmatic choice.

Foxtrol · 29-09-2020 04:43PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

^^^^^

There it is again....mention the failings of Biden, and its the usual "but trump did this...."

As if that somehow negates the mental issues of biden.

Priceless.

When you have to choose between eating an overcooked steak or drinking bleach it makes more sense to discuss how much worse one option is than being consumed by how the other one isn't perfect.

hotmail.com · 29-09-2020 04:44PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Elections are never about "Pick the one that's perfect" they are ALWAYS about picking the one that's least worst - Everywhere the world over , always that way.

Based on the polling thus far it would seem that a majority of the electorate view Biden as the least worst of the available choices.

He is also the best suited to win this election for the Democratic party - He is a "horses for courses" choice simple as that.

He reaches sufficiently far into the GOP Overton window that he secures the swing States that others in the Democratic party could not.

He is the dull , boring, pragmatic choice.

And this is why I anticipate a low turnout, even lower than their dreadful turnout.

Cody montana · 29-09-2020 04:46PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

How much of that is falling down?

How much has Mexico paid for?

Mexico paid for zero.

The one falling down was via gofundme and webuildthewall.
And the organisers and Steve Bannon got arrested for robbing some of the money.

Quin_Dub · 29-09-2020 04:52PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

And this is why I anticipate a low turnout, even lower than their dreadful turnout.

Totally disagree - I suspect we'll see record levels of voting.

And it's already happening

Democrats who didn't vote in 2016 are requesting 2020 ballots at higher rates than their GOP counterparts. The most striking example is Pennsylvania, where nearly 175,000 Democrats who sat out the last race have requested ballots, more than double the number of Republicans, according to an analysis of voter rolls by the Democratic firm TargetSmart.

Though the figures are preliminary, they provide a window into Democratic enthusiasm ahead of the election and offer a warning for Republicans. While Democrats stockpile votes and bring in new supporters, Trump’s campaign is relying on a smooth Election Day turnout operation at a time when it’s confronting an out-of-control pandemic and a mounting cash crunch.

mcmoustache · 29-09-2020 04:52PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

When you have to choose between eating an overcooked steak or drinking bleach it makes more sense to discuss how much worse one option is than being consumed by how the other one isn't perfect.

I don't know man. That steak looks a bit over done. I know that I have to drink the bleach or eat the stake but that steak isn't as good as the one I got in rustic stone the other night.

I'm leaning towards the bleach actually. There's no way I'm eating that steak. Bleach it is.

That's what I hear whenever a Trump supporter goes on about cognitive ability or corruption.

Justin Credible Darts · 29-09-2020 04:53PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

There it is again....mention the failings of Trump, and its the usual "but Biden did this...."

As if that somehow negates the mental issues of Trump.

Priceless.

Both sides do this - don't pretend otherwise. And why? Because both men are going head to head in this election - they are going to be compared in everything that happens.

I know both sides do it....thats exactly the point.
which part of this are you not grasping.

you can compare the candidates to each other, but saying trump is this and that, does not negate biden seems to have some mental issues.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, trump might have them too, and his mental issues are another issue BUT it does not mean speaking about Trump means Bidens issues are any less,

if your reply to Bidens obvious cognitive problems is that Trump has them too....that proves my point neither of the 2 are worth a flying fu(k.

How are you not grasping this ?

Justin Credible Darts · 29-09-2020 04:56PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

When you have to choose between eating an overcooked steak or drinking bleach it makes more sense to discuss how much worse one option is than being consumed by how the other one isn't perfect.

but it dont change my point which has always been that both of them are utterly useless,

and referring to how bleach is worse than the "overcooked steak", does not mean you should be eating the overcooked steak.,

both are bad...thats the point.
A country like the USA unable to come up with a single decent candidate is the real issue.

Quin_Dub · 29-09-2020 05:02PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

but it dont change my point which has always been that both of them are utterly useless,

and referring to how bleach is worse than the "overcooked steak", does not mean you should be eating the overcooked steak.,

both are bad...thats the point.
A country like the USA unable to come up with a single decent candidate is the real issue.

Indeed - I think everyone here will stipulate to that , but to quote Donald J Trump himself - "It is what it is"

So - Given that the choices are fixed and set , and you have to pick one , what now?

To continue the analogy from above , given the available options (which we have stipulated to , are crap) , you now only have 3 choices - Drink Bleach , Eat a mediocre Steak or starve by not making a decision.

What's it going to be?

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 29-09-2020 05:02PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

And this is why I anticipate a low turnout, even lower than their dreadful turnout.

Going from the early casting of votes (in person I believe). there's been a million already, in 2016 at the early point of casting votes there was 96 thousand.. make of that what you will.

randd1 · 29-09-2020 05:03PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Mexico paid for zero.

The one falling down was via gofundme and webuildthewall.
And the organisers and Steve Bannon got arrested for robbing some of the money.

The obvious thing would have been to pay Mexico to build the wall. Not only would it have been done, it would have been done at the fraction of the cost.

And it wouldn't have made a difference to Mexico to do it seeing as they use boats and tunnels to get people across. Pure profit and it would have been a serious works programme for unemployed people from their view, and nothing would have changed.

WrenBoy · 29-09-2020 05:10PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Indeed - I think everyone here will stipulate to that , but to quote Donald J Trump himself - "It is what it is"

So - Given that the choices are fixed and set , and you have to pick one , what now?

To continue the analogy from above , given the available options (which we have stipulated to , are crap) , you now only have 3 choices - Drink Bleach , Eat a mediocre Steak or starve by not making a decision.

What's it going to be?

Id rather "starve" than vote for someone who I don't believe in or even like to be the President and represent me or else write in my choice. If Americans want to change this 2 party system they have to stop participating in it. It doesn't make sense that you wouldn't like the candidate or believe he'll do anything for you but vote for him anyway.

Justin Credible Darts · 29-09-2020 05:10PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Indeed - I think everyone here will stipulate to that , but to quote Donald J Trump himself - "It is what it is"

So - Given that the choices are fixed and set , and you have to pick one , what now?

To continue the analogy from above , given the available options (which we have stipulated to , are crap) , you now only have 3 choices - Drink Bleach , Eat a mediocre Steak or starve by not making a decision.

What's it going to be?

If I were an American I would starve on the principle that I would be embarrassed to be in any way responsible for either being in power.

As an Irishman, my main interest is watching the Biden fans trying to pretend because Trump is worse, that biden is somehow not abysmal in his own right,

It Trumps wins, it would be hilarious in a warped way, if only to see the back peddling and the excuses coming out and of course the crying.

If Biden gets in then his inability will come to the fore and that too will be hilarious in a warped way also.

As a neutral I find the whole thing sort of fascinating and more entertaining than the sh1t shows that currently are on tv.

hotmail.com · 29-09-2020 05:17PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Going from the early casting of votes (in person I believe). there's been a million already, in 2016 at the early point of casting votes there was 96 thousand.. make of that what you will.

I'd be shocked if turnout surpasses 60%. Interest among Americans in politics is evidently quite low.

DraftDodger · 29-09-2020 05:19PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

If I were an American I would starve on the principle that I would be embarrassed to be in any way responsible for either being in power.

As an Irishman, my main interest is watching the Biden fans trying to pretend because Trump is worse, that biden is somehow not abysmal in his own right,

It Trumps wins, it would be hilarious in a warped way, if only to see the back peddling and the excuses coming out and of course the crying.

If Biden gets in then his inability will come to the fore and that too will be hilarious in a warped way also.

As a neutral I find the whole thing sort of fascinating and more entertaining than the sh1t shows that currently are on tv.

Biden is an incredibly weak candidate. You'll never get the never trumpers on here to admit that but we all know deep down they realise that also.

eire4 · 29-09-2020 05:21PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

I'd be shocked if turnout surpasses 60%. Interest among Americans in politics is evidently quite low.

If voter turnout even hit 60% that would be stunning given the typically pathetic voter turnout in the US. Voter turnout is more likely in the mid 50's. In 2016 it was 55.5%. The last time voter turnout got to 60% was in 1968 when it was 60.7%.

hotmail.com · 29-09-2020 05:21PM

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

If I were an American I would starve on the principle that I would be embarrassed to be in any way responsible for either being in power.

As an Irishman, my main interest is watching the Biden fans trying to pretend because Trump is worse, that biden is somehow not abysmal in his own right,

It Trumps wins, it would be hilarious in a warped way, if only to see the back peddling and the excuses coming out and of course the crying.

If Biden gets in then his inability will come to the fore and that too will be hilarious in a warped way also.

As a neutral I find the whole thing sort of fascinating and more entertaining than the sh1t shows that currently are on tv.

Biden getting in and making a mess of things ensures a Republican will win next time, not that I believe either party make much of a difference.

The cycle in America is that a Republican gets 2 terms and then the Democrats get back in for 2 terms.

There isn't now nor in 2016 vast support for Trump, Clinton, Biden or whoever - Americans usually vote on party lines, the way their parents voted etc.

I suspect that most Americans, outside of the outrage bubble, dislike all politicians.

hotmail.com · 29-09-2020 05:23PM

eire4 wrote: »

If voter turnout even hit 60% that would be stunning given the typically pathetic voter turnout in the US. Voter turnout is more likely in the mid 50's. In 2016 it was 55.5%. The last time voter turnout got to 60% was in 1968 when it was 60.7%.

The pathetic turnouts doesn't chime with the supposed anger etc that elements of the media and posters here want to portray.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 29-09-2020 05:23PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

I'd be shocked if turnout surpasses 60%. Interest among Americans in politics is evidently quite low.

Only been above 60% 4 times since 1920, just over 55% in 16..

I'm hopeful it goes past the 60 mark.

Leroy42 · 29-09-2020 05:23PM

DraftDodger wrote: »

Biden is an incredibly weak candidate. You'll never get the never trumpers on here to admit that but we all know deep down they realise that also.

Hold on. In 2016 we had a very strong, capable and experienced candidate, but apparently, she was too elitist and part of the DC establishment.

We had Obama, which GoP love to tell everyone was too much style over substance and never actually got anything done.

So what exactly is it that you what in a candidate? IN a country that is as divided as the US, where middle ground is almost seen as giving up, and nuance is gone out the window.

Sanders? AOC type? Warren? Lets be honest, none of them had a snowballs chance in hell of getting near the WH.

It is easy to say that Biden is terrible, although there are very few actually facts used to back it up.

Foxtrol · 29-09-2020 05:28PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Indeed - I think everyone here will stipulate to that , but to quote Donald J Trump himself - "It is what it is"

So - Given that the choices are fixed and set , and you have to pick one , what now?

To continue the analogy from above , given the available options (which we have stipulated to , are crap) , you now only have 3 choices - Drink Bleach , Eat a mediocre Steak or starve by not making a decision.

What's it going to be?

There isn't a starve option though. If you don't eat the steak you get the bleach.

These comments of people not liking or believing in either and doing their own thing is selfish, childish, idealistic nonsense. Those that sat out or voted 3rd party because Bernie lost has led to a supreme court packed with young conservatives, a Muslim bans, kids in cages etc etc. It isn't even the case of them 'choosing to starve' it is them choosing to make others drink bleach because they cant see past their own ideologies.

eire4 · 29-09-2020 05:29PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The pathetic turnouts doesn't chime with the supposed anger etc that elements of the media and posters here want to portray.

No it doesn't but another pathetic turnout will be the outcome IMHO. A large chunk of Americans have simply given up as their system is so broken and corrupt. It is not like either party is going to legislate in the best interests of the vast majority of Americans. So why should they bother. Rightly or wrongly I get why many would feel that way and not vote as there are no viable alternatives to the duopoly on power in DC.

namloc1980 · 29-09-2020 05:29PM

Interesting to see latest poll from North Dakota (hardcore Republican state) has Trump with a 19% lead over Biden as you'd expect. However Trump won ND by 36% in 2016. Even for a poll a 17 point swing is huge and well outside any margin of error. Signals even in the red heartland people are not all in on Trump as they were in 2016.

eire4 · 29-09-2020 05:30PM

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Only been above 60% 4 times since 1920, just over 55% in 16..

I'm hopeful it goes past the 60 mark.

I highly doubt it will.

WrenBoy · 29-09-2020 05:31PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

Hold on. In 2016 we had a very strong, capable and experienced candidate, but apparently, she was too elitist and part of the DC establishment.

We had Obama, which GoP love to tell everyone was too much style over substance and never actually got anything done.

So what exactly is it that you what in a candidate? IN a country that is as divided as the US, where middle ground is almost seen as giving up, and nuance is gone out the window.

Sanders? AOC type? Warren? Lets be honest, none of them had a snowballs chance in hell of getting near the WH.

It is easy to say that Biden is terrible, although there are very few actually facts used to back it up.

I was impressed with Tulsi Gabbard, I thought she would have been a great candidate from what I saw of her.

Foxtrol · 29-09-2020 05:32PM

DraftDodger wrote: »

Biden is an incredibly weak candidate. You'll never get the never trumpers on here to admit that but we all know deep down they realise that also.

An 'incredibly weak' candidate that steamrolled everyone that ran against him in the primaries

hotmail.com · 29-09-2020 05:32PM

Virgin Media and other media outlets have labelled the debates as the "real start of the election campaign".

I think they've been using that line since last January.

Quin_Dub · 29-09-2020 05:36PM

WrenBoy wrote: »

I was impressed with Tulsi Gabbard, I thought she would have been a great candidate from what I saw of her.

What specifically impresses people about Tulsi Gabbard?

What abilities and skills does Tulsi Gabbard have that would secure her victories in Michigan , Wisconsin and Pennsylvania?

Abilities and skills that clearly didn't impress virtually ANY Democratic primary voters?

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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