Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Goldengirl wrote: »

Why is a factual conversation scaremongering ?
It is true as regards both statements as with myocardial inflammation etc, but while it is not unknown for diabetes to be triggered by a viral infection , what we don't know yet is the degree or incidence rate with this particular virus.
So at present we are just finding out the different ways it can affect some previously healthy individuals as well as those with underlying conditions.

Most people don't know the difference between Type1 and Type2 diabetes. Most people wouldn't realise that Type1 is actually an immune system disease and therefore any number of virus or other causes can be involved. As I said a bit of context would be better for example in Denmark the swine flu vaccine was linked to bringing on Type1 diabetes now I doubt we will here that said when a vaccine comes about. So I would class it was a bit of scare mongering. I've no issue with them saying it but it would be OK to mention that virus is a known cause long before covid.

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine looks to be quite incredible. No cold storage down to minus 70 necessary and potentially only a single dose.

Entering phase 3 trials with 60,000 participants. Thats unprecedented. It's a few months behind the others but will be the most easily distributed in developing countries.

FWIW I believe we will have at least one vaccine approved shortly before Christmas with distribution to the most vulnerable in early Q1.

Indestructable wrote: »

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine looks to be quite incredible. No cold storage down to minus 70 necessary and potentially only a single dose.

Entering phase 3 trials with 60,000 participants. Thats unprecedented. It's a few months behind the others but will be the most easily distributed in developing countries.

FWIW I believe we will have at least one vaccine approved shortly before Christmas with distribution to the most vulnerable in early Q1.

Are you in the pharma game? Impressed with your optimism.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Surely all the travel we were letting in back in August is also a factor?

Tourists venturing all over Ireland without quarantine.

And Irish people hoildaying abroad and not self isolating when they came back.

Are people doing much/any travelling at the moment though, just for pleasure like? Among most people I know holiday abroad is still a dirty word

Indestructable wrote: »

The Johnson and Johnson vaccine looks to be quite incredible. No cold storage down to minus 70 necessary and potentially only a single dose.

Entering phase 3 trials with 60,000 participants. Thats unprecedented. It's a few months behind the others but will be the most easily distributed in developing countries.

FWIW I believe we will have at least one vaccine approved shortly before Christmas with distribution to the most vulnerable in early Q1.

That is amazing news! Although if it does in reality come about that quickly then it is really sad that so little was done to stop spread in countries like Brazil and Mexico where so many people died

bb1234567 wrote: »

Are people doing much/any travelling at the moment though, just for pleasure like? Among most people I know holiday abroad is still a dirty word

360,000 arrivals in August alone. It’s a 60% increase from July.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40056281.html%3ftype=amp

Boggles wrote: »

AstraZeneca as part of their deal with EU have a clause which absolves them from future liability from side effects up a point.

That is pretty fúcking clever TBF.

Well it's either each vaccine costs €2 but you cover the liability if side effects are found down the line, or each vaccine costs €40 and we'll cover any liabilities if they should arise.

Either way we end up paying for it as a state, either up front with an increased purchase price of the vaccines or down the line with a potential lawsuit.

The state, or the EU in this case, have decided the benefit to the economy of having everyone vaccinated is of significantly greater value than the possibility of a lawsuit down the line that could potentially be attributed to the vaccine.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You should follow the vaccine thread on here. It's not mad optimism, it's very realistic.

I think that answered my question.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You should follow the vaccine thread on here. It's not mad optimism, it's very realistic.

Not sure about that tbh, in theory and on paper it might look good, but if this pandemic has done anything it has hilighted once again that fact that while many folks can talk a good game, or assume a face of credibilty, most haven't a baldy what they're doing.

We've seen bad leadership and bad science to beat the band these last few months. We've seen systems put in place that are now crumbled under the pressure and hastily put together plans that would give anyone pause.

The idea that within 6 months we'll have a vaccine, with all the necessary dirstubution and supply chains in place, and rolling out with the kind of efficency you're postiluting seems almost naively optimistic to me; in part because it is a hell of an undertaking in itself; but more significantly because of what we know about people's great capacity for ineneptitude.