Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

robbiezero wrote: »

But if we are already seeing that before restrictions have had an effect (and I know its far too early to say that we are or were), what will that mean?

seamus wrote: »

Fair question. IMO it will mean that we need to be faster to change the levels rather than just talk about it

Before Dublin moved to level 3, there was all sorts of talk for an entire week beforehand about how Dublin was in trouble and a lockdown was inevitable. This would probably have made Dublin people, even on an unconscious level, adjust their behaviour.

Which would mean that if we had gone to level 3 a week earlier*, we'd shut the increases down faster.

*I know the level system didn't exist then

caveat emptor wrote: »

Travel related. Now shown to be more risky. Pretty obvious but people have been shouting "no evidence" since march.

normanoffside wrote: »

That’s what I said last night and the guy in question posted an anti SF article to his website yesterday. The same day he was paralysed and rushed to hospital.

eagle eye wrote: »

Well my opinion on things is that if you are fully read up on everything about this virus then you know you are putting your kids at risk by sending them to school.
We all know that most kids are asymptomatic so you are taking a calculated risk that your kids will be asymptomatic.
Where we differ is that I'm not willing to take the chance that mine will be asymptomatic.
I would never be able to forgive myself if one of them ending up not being able to handle this virus as I know it's a possibility.
Money is not important to me. I'm probably in a better position financially than a lot of people because I've never taken on big debt in my life. I worked my way up the property ladder always maintaining a small mortgage. I'm not a person that wants everything now. I have targets but I'm willing to wait as long as it takes and save money to get there.
Anyways I'm not earning much at the moment because my family's health is paramount.

Gruffalux wrote: »

Do what you feel is right.
I homeschooled mine long ago for different reasons. They are confident, popular, happy people who are doing great in life. This vague threat that homeschooled kids wither away into slack jawed pale skinned introverts who jump at shadows in the outside world is a big sloppy bucket of blithering bollox.

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

In relation to schools the data isn’t there to say it isn’t spreading there in greater ways than the rest of society either. The contact tracing isn’t there. 48hrs from tests with delays on tests means that in many cases the school isn’t even being contact traced. So the original infection might go down as community transmission, they may cause an outbreak in their household for example but it’s listed as a household outbreak

So while the rate of infection in these age ranges may not have increased relative to other groups, the location of where those infections is happening may very well have changed based on household behaviour. Which would make the government strategy as success (apart from the restrictions on business which make for a whole different raft of problems).

I think a huge part of the issues around school stem from
1. Lack of clarity and openness on procedures as to what will happen with cases
2. No back up plan evidence whatsoever

Both those could be fixed and should have been fixed by the Department of Education and HSE but they’ve sat on their hands and had the politicians talk about ‘by hook or by crook’

The HSE need to stop trying to hide cases. We get told about headlice outbreaks ffs, this is no different. There should be a proper centralised list of schools affected and no need for a bloody Facebook group trying to see how your school is doing. This hiding it is creating more and more unnecessary panic when in reality normalising it would get schools, society and parents used to short rolling closures as opposed to praying their school never gets it

The Department of Education need to get their finger out. The biggest issue in ireland is class sizes combined with large sections of society at very high risk and high risk.

One example I believe they should immediately create a database of teachers who are working from home. Assign those teachers a timetable of year groups at second level (higher risk) and get a platform in place to allow ALL students the opportunity to work from home with a proper dedicated. Fill any gaps with high risk teachers willing to work online. Parents and students could then take online as an alternative with two major benefits. First the obvious, reducing the number of students in the classroom and second it would likely remove the most high risk students from the classrooms and allow them to cocoon more safely.

Repurpose the whole of the Professional development service for teachers and get them to write Digital books and resource sets for all syllabi for the inevitable rolling short school closures.

Make sure every school in the country has an appropriate online system that is funded and maintained and if necessary fund the upskilling needed for teachers

Instead they set up Covid safety inspections and publish circulars on Friday nights and keep adding to Principals burdens.... Is it any wonder we don’t trust them?

New Era wrote: »

Virgin media television going full blown "prophet of doom" misery of news coverage again today. Thank God I turned that most apocolyptic of broadcasters off, as soon as it came on now.

Richard Chambers is considerably worse than George Lee with his "grave, major, massive concern" narrative.

It's such a joke the amount of negativity on that station regrading coronavirus. Yes I know its a very serious virus, but they would really really need to press the brake button, with their non-stop negativity, even lecturing us dare I say it.

Yet Virgin media tv cry wolf that they don't get a slice of the tv license cake....