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Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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  • #3122
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Very sorry, didn't realise. So is it fake?


  • #3123
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Very sorry, didn't realise. So is it fake?

    If you're referring to the tweeter that had paralysis and couldn't breathe but could still tweet that day? Wouldn't say fake, would say attention seeker or panic attack transferred into hero syndrome afterwards..

    https://twitter.com/HeidiAndCompany/status/1310298936746430465?s=20


  • #3124
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Watching the football on sky sports over the weekend, so depressing to see empty stadiums.
    And they are really pushing this "new normal" ... they have adds with crouch saying get used to it basically , cos this is forever ..
    I wonder how economically viable is the EPL with empty stadiums as a long term business plan ?


    Maybe if they increase the price of jerseys to €20,000 and similar for a Sky Sports subscription ...

    Also I see a headline "Joe Biden wants to make mask wearing a law from January 2021 in the US" ...

    this is going to last decades.

    No it won't. It may be a few years before we have a safe usable vaccine that everyone is willing to take but life will return to pre covid routine eventually.

    Global warming is a much greater threat than Covid if we are looking long term.


  • #3125
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    The_Brood wrote: »
    This post is so utterly embarrassing and devoid of logic - though sadly it also mirrors the government's philosophy. We need to keep the biggest virus spreader in the country open and punish everyone else because kids will be "thrilled" to see their friends again (Martin's own words too) ? What? Kids will have their futures and mental health destroyed because for the time being they may have to take online classes at home? This is not a joke?

    I think all this is exposing the desperate, absolutely abysmal state of parenting in this country and maybe much of the modern world, where many/most parents cannot actually function with their children around, to such an extreme extent that they and the government are willing to see virus cases overwhelm everything and lead to further lockdowns for everyone. What does that say about the state of society?

    And what does that say about us that we are willing to be ruled by such anti-science, anti-logic and common sense bunch of cowardly fools?

    You are simplifying it way too much. It is not about parenting or about what parents will do with kids at home. It is more about our future - kids need the education to be able to function in society one day. This "virus overwhelming everything" you talk about simply did not happen pretty much anywhere in the west. Or world for that matter. Not even in countries with close to not existing health system.


  • #3126
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,915 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    If you're referring to the tweeter that had paralysis and couldn't breathe but could still tweet that day? Wouldn't say fake, would say attention seeker or panic attack transferred into hero syndrome afterwards..

    https://twitter.com/HeidiAndCompany/status/1310298936746430465?s=20

    I just checked the twitter profile and I hadn’t realised he’s the co-founder of the Progressive Brief. I actually know the other founder, he’s from my town, used to play GAA with him. Complete FG head, about as blueshirt as it gets. Attention seeking seems likely.


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  • #3127
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    This isn't true. They might have stated that the CFR was around that level but at the time the IFR was believed to be around 1%. Back then Fauci said the rate was considerably less than 1% in February. The CDC actually estimated it was only 0.26% back in March.

    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/926089

    Numbers are straight from cdc website. I would say that it is true according to them and untrue according to you. It is their best current estimate. If you think it is untrue then it is them you need to pick a fight.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html


  • #3128
    [Deleted User]
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    marno21 wrote: »
    The thought process behind the herd immunity in Manaus theory was this paper:

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.16.20194787v1

    44% of people having antibodies - and they used this to estimate 66% of the population having been infected.

    At 66% of the population being infection in Manaus, the IFR would only have been 0.15%.


  • #3129
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    Thought Sam McConkey was very reasonable on Pat Kenny. Talking about giving people information on infections at a local level. Pat on the other hand is still pushing for a police state.


  • #3130
    [Deleted User]
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    The_Brood wrote: »
    Every single last scientific consensus on the planet, and one of the only things everyone knows for certain about Covid 19, is that large, lengthy, indoor gatherings, where people are mingling close together, is by far the biggest spreader of the virus. Meat plants is one example. Schools are by far the biggest one. How in the world is that not crystal clear to everyone?

    Evidence - where is it. Surely with 4000 schools we would have many large outbreaks at this stage?


  • #3131
    [Deleted User]
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    It's because they don't want it to be true. They want to work and are fed up of their kids.
    Work is easy, it's your time off from parenting.

    Another despicable comment


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  • #3132
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    No it won't. It may be a few years before we have a safe usable vaccine that everyone is willing to take but life will return to pre covid routine eventually.

    Global warming is a much greater threat than Covid if we are looking long term.

    decacdes no, im exagerrating, but even years is unsustainable, we need a new way of dealing with this, football cannot survive for long without audiences - that and many other industries.

    let's see the death rate and hospitalization rate this winter, and if its a lot less than the 1st wave (I have a hunch it will be ... ) then a new way is needed, let the old and vulnerable cocoon for a start ...


  • #3133
    Happydays2020
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    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    Thought Sam McConkey was very reasonable on Pat Kenny. Talking about giving people information on infections at a local level. Pat on the other hand is still pushing for a police state.

    Sure if you were not looking that Pat fellow would take your garden off you.


  • #3134
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Evidence - where is it. Surely with 4000 schools we would have many large outbreaks at this stage?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114751005&postcount=3121


  • #3135
    DebDynamite
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Fair enough people shouldn’t be dancing around together but like the faux outrage over every single little thing is nonsense. Same with that video of the outside dining in Dublin the other day, complete lunacy. The biggest disgrace in that video was the fact she was using her phone while driving.

    Not to sound like the fun police, bit are we dismissing the “outside” thing a bit too much? These people were drunk, singing out loud in each other’s faces. That’s seriously not good for trying to avoid droplets from a possible infected person, outside or not.

    The Dublin video thing on South William Street was something of nothing, and nothing compared to the Cork song-song (not that that’s even the worst). Most people seemed to be sitting down in their own parties, as is allowed.


  • #3136
    [Deleted User]
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    The_Brood wrote: »
    Children and younger people are less likely to die from Covid 19, but absolutely in no way are they less likely to transmit it: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html

    This is what the largest studies have shown. People are embarrassing themselves to claim "there is no evidence."

    And I don't know why you would focus on "primary school kids" as if they are the only ones who attend school? Older children mingle more with society, very logical that they would spread it more.

    I will keep repeating it - why, can you explain, has the rate of cases in children as a proportion of all cases not increased since schools have returned?


  • #3137
    DebDynamite
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    It's because they don't want it to be true. They want to work and are fed up of their kids.
    Work is easy, it's your time off from parenting.

    Tbh, I feel the opposite of you. You’ve taken your kids out of school, until when - a vaccine comes? I feel you’re looking for any reason to justify taking such an extreme action.


  • #3138
    JDD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Children and younger people are less likely to die from Covid 19, but absolutely in no way are they less likely to transmit it: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html

    This is what the largest studies have shown. People are embarrassing themselves to claim "there is no evidence."

    And I don't know why you would focus on "primary school kids" as if they are the only ones who attend school? Older children mingle more with society, very logical that they would spread it more.

    The problem with this virus is that it's so new, there are conflicting reports being published on practically a daily basis. This is the latest update from the ECDC on the level of transmission by children in school settings:

    https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/children-and-school-settings-covid-19-transmission

    So you are correct - symptomatic children transmit at the same level as adults do. What we don't know yet is whether asymptomatic children (and indeed adults) are as infectious as symptomatic children. I believe there are number of ongoing studies on this.

    While it doesn't mention it in the ECDC link, we also don't know whether people who have what might be considered a "mild dose" of covid are as infectious as those who go on to develop more serious symptoms. I'm no scientist, but it seems to me that if your immune system is suppressing covid to the point that you only get mild symptoms, it is unlikely that you are shedding the virus into the air at the same levels as someone who goes on to be flat out in bed for three weeks with it. Again I believe there are ongoing studies on this.

    If it turns out - and these studies could go either way I suppose - that asymptomatic and "mild dose" individuals are not as contagious as "bad dose" individuals, that may well back up the reasons why opening schools in a number of other EU countries has not led to a significant rise in infections.

    There are many other countries in Europe who have their schools fully open, like ours, and have less general restrictions, but also have less infections per 100,000. That seems to me to say that we, as a population, are behaving in a different way to these other countries and that is why our infections are going so high.


  • #3139
    patnor1011
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    The_Brood wrote: »
    Children and younger people are less likely to die from Covid 19, but absolutely in no way are they less likely to transmit it: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html

    This is what the largest studies have shown. People are embarrassing themselves to claim "there is no evidence."

    And I don't know why you would focus on "primary school kids" as if they are the only ones who attend school? Older children mingle more with society, very logical that they would spread it more.

    OK. So what? Many experts think that covid is here to stay and vaccine is no silver bullet as no vaccine is 100% efficient and strains may mutate.
    Since we can't get rid of it we cant keep schools closed (even though they do not attribute to spread as dramatically as you want us to believe) till we get immunity to it anyway. No current covid vaccine in development offer any long term protection.
    We need to finally realize that we have to accept we need to live with it.

    https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-seasonal-virus.html

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.567184/full


  • #3140
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    RTE again. I mean why bother getting people to talk about their experience "living with the virus".


    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1310521672068476930?s=20

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0928/1167831-covid-long-term-effect/


  • #3141
    Funsterdelux
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    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    Thought Sam McConkey was very reasonable on Pat Kenny. Talking about giving people information on infections at a local level. Pat on the other hand is still pushing for a police state.

    Yeah, he sounded like his old self, from the Spring. First I have heard him speak in a while though.


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  • #3142
    JDD
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    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Tbh, I feel the opposite of you. You’ve taken your kids out of school, until when - a vaccine comes? I feel you’re looking for any reason to justify taking such an extreme action.

    Jaysus. I mean, everyone should have the option to do what they are comfortable with, but I don't know anyone who has kept their kids at home full time. All the kids in my children's senior infants and third classes returned in September, except for one family who went back to Poland. I guess if you had a stay at home parent who was also willing to register the kids as home schooled that would be possible. It's an awful lot to take on though. I think if the kids were older I would be capable of putting on the home school teacher hat, but I'd be so worried about the emotional and social effect on them staying at home that I think that would outweigh the fears I would have about them returning to class - even if those fears were so significant that I would be considering home schooling.


  • #3143
    bb1234567
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    patnor1011 wrote: »
    Meh, a lot of people needs to calm down. The longer this goes the more we know. And the more we know the better it all look for all of us.

    Estimates of COVID’s lethality have been dropping regularly. In March, when most of the states went into lockdown, Dr. Anthony Fauci estimated the mortality rate at about 2% and the World Health Organization pegged it at about 3.4%. Both are far higher than the current CDC estimate.

    Those earlier numbers, which were far more frightening, got extensive press coverage. Very little media attention, however, has gone toward the new numbers.

    If you get infected, your chances of surviving are as follows:

    Age Group Probability of Survival

    0-19: 99.997%
    20-49: 99.98%
    50-69: 99.5%
    70+: 94.6%

    Covid0001.jpg


    A lot of people think that catching covid is somehow death sentence for everyone over 60 which is pretty much nonsense. Here is what the CDC calls its “current best estimate” of chances of dying from the virus if you get infected:

    1 out of 34,000 for ages 0 to 19;

    1 out of 5,000 for ages 20 to 49;

    1 out of 200 for ages 50 to 69; and

    1 out of 20 for ages 70 and up.
    I'm really confused..it says for example in scenario 1 IFR for over 70 is 0.028%. To me that would mean 1 in ever y 2800 would die?

    Why doesn't it say IFR is 5% for over 70 then?


  • #3144
    caveat emptor
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    Travel related. Now shown to be more risky. Pretty obvious but people have been shouting "no evidence" since march.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/sep/28/uk-coronavirus-live-politics-covid-19-latest-news-updates?page=with:block-5f71b16d8f0874521de329dd#block-5f71b16d8f0874521de329dd


  • #3145
    JDD
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    Didn't the UK have much looser rules on travel than we did though? I'm not sure, but I thought their "green list" was much wider than ours at the start.


  • #3146
    phormium
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Could need re registration with the Nurses Board or whatever it is called now, and also may not be a Union member.

    The HSE is hamstrung because of Unions. Private hospitals can run their diagnostics day and night wonder why that doesn't happen (apart from A+E stuff) in the HSE hospitals. Well we all know the answer.

    Interviewer asked her all the questions re registration etc and she was totally ready to go (can't recall if asked about unions), she had a couple of calls from the team coordinating the thing and last call had basically said they had not been give the ok to recruit by HSE


  • #3147
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    I'm really confused..it says for example in scenario 1 IFR for over 70 is 0.028%. To me that would mean 1 in ever y 2800 would die?

    Why doesn't it say IFR is 5% for over 70 then?

    I think it's 0.028, not 0.028%.

    1:0.028 is 2.8%


  • #3148
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    The_Brood wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114751005&postcount=3121

    That is not evidence what you were asked for. Again, why have cases not increased in children quicker than all other groups since the start of September if schools are driving the increase in cases?


  • #3149
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Travel related. Now shown to be more risky. Pretty obvious but people have been shouting "no evidence" since march.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/sep/28/uk-coronavirus-live-politics-covid-19-latest-news-updates?page=with:block-5f71b16d8f0874521de329dd#block-5f71b16d8f0874521de329dd

    they also say "Positivity rates - "the proportion of people testing positive - “have increased over time amongst those aged under 35 years who had socially-distanced direct contact with six or more people aged 18 to 69 years”.

    So while travel is the factor they refer to, I would think it's more about young people travelling abroad and having the parties of their lives, rather than the travel itself per se. Just a thought.


  • #3150
    seamus
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    That is not evidence what you were asked for. Again, why have cases not increased in children quicker than all other groups since the start of September if schools are driving the increase in cases?
    Arguably the current increases started in early July.

    I recall discussing it with people online who were concerned that a rise from ~10 cases a day to 20/day was the beginning of another wave. If you look back at the data, they may have been right.

    However, looking at positivity rates, August was really the beginning of a jump in positives, and while it's been growing through September, there isn't surge one would expect if it was burning through the schools.

    One indicator that will become apparent towards the middle and end of this week will be the situation in Dublin. If we start to see that stabilise then we have the beginnings of an ongoing plan for managing infection rates. We saw a small jump in rates at the start of August, which dipped again due to the LOK lockdowns. Dublin will be a proper test as to whether closing the valves on a temporary basis can help keep a lid on it.


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  • #3151
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    they also say "Positivity rates - "the proportion of people testing positive - “have increased over time amongst those aged under 35 years who had socially-distanced direct contact with six or more people aged 18 to 69 years”.

    So while travel is the factor they refer to, I would think it's more about young people travelling abroad and having the parties of their lives, rather than the travel itself per se. Just a thought.

    Again, its a no brainer - travel more, have more contacts, have a higher risk of catching the virus


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