Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

mloc123 · 28-09-2020 09:18AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Shocking scenes in Cork. Probably on road to lockdown. That is shocking behaviour in a pandemic. I thought corkonians were holier then everyone.

https://twitter.com/oconnellbrian/status/1310476233159868416?s=20

Fake news, this CANNOT be in Cork... only those dirty scummers in Dublin carry on like this. Cork has 100% mask wearing and compliance.. 100% :mad::mad:

caveat emptor · 28-09-2020 09:20AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There’s about 15-20 people there, to be fair. Hardly “shocking scenes”...

GP on Claire Byrne very concerned as the capacity in Cork isn't massive. I wouldn't be so sure. It is shocking enough to be on the radio. Maybe you are used to seeing that but it is shocking for people who are adhering to the guidelines. He just said there are only 3 ICU beds available there.

ACitizenErased · 28-09-2020 09:20AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

GP on Claire Byrne very concerned as the capacity in Cork isn't massive. I wouldn't be so sure. It is shocking enough to be on the radio. Maybe you are used to seeing that but it is shocking for people who are adhering to the guidelines.

You can have 15 people in one group outside, no?

28-09-2020 09:23AM

Shocking scenes, lol - Covid has been like Christmas for the permanently outraged

28-09-2020 09:24AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

GP on Claire Byrne very concerned as the capacity in Cork isn't massive. I wouldn't be so sure. It is shocking enough to be on the radio. Maybe you are used to seeing that but it is shocking for people who are adhering to the guidelines.

Seeking to shame people who misbehave in public has the risk of back firing. Some people are afraid to be tested and of letting people know they test positive lest people think they have been out and about, not adhering to guidelines, when in the majority of cases, those who catch the virus will have been no more lax than the average person

BringBackMick · 28-09-2020 09:25AM

OMG Clare Byrne keeps bringing out the misery merchants.

Gabriel Scally up next. Seriously, why the same guys every day

JDD · 28-09-2020 09:25AM

Boggles wrote: »

Well, there is 2 very pertinent and key differences.

We cleared the hospitals in March, we are now trying to juggle Covid and operate a health service.

To combat that surge we had the benefit of implementing a national stay at home order.

The margins of error have shrank considerably, so "under control" is relative to the wider situation. Also a 40% rate of growth can get very high very fast.

I think you are both right to certain extent here. We're not going to see the rate of increase in hospitalisations/deaths that we saw in March. My personal view is that covid was circulating in Ireland in pockets in Dec/Jan and then more widespread in February. All those that caught it in February were the ones who ended up in hospital in mid-March. And we were continuing our lives as normal until 14 March - no distancing, no masks, packed public transport etc.

With the measures that are in place now (even with the fatigue that has set in) we will not see a 400% increase in hospitalisations over a two week period. We probably won't reach 100%.

But that's neither here nor there really. Even if the rate of increase is slower, it just means we reach the same destination as we reached in early April in a two or three month's time. And without the benefit of a national lockdown, you could conceivably see hospital numbers going higher than mid-April - the much talked about Surge that we avoided first time around. It's depressing if you think too much about it, but I can't see the R number dropping below 1 without Level 4 restrictions.

KrustyUCC · 28-09-2020 09:25AM

Claire really pushing level three narrative this morning

ACitizenErased · 28-09-2020 09:26AM

Fair enough people shouldn’t be dancing around together but like the faux outrage over every single little thing is nonsense. Same with that video of the outside dining in Dublin the other day, complete lunacy. The biggest disgrace in that video was the fact she was using her phone while driving.

mountgomery burns · 28-09-2020 09:27AM

They should just ban singing and dancing in public outright as in the minds of many they seem to believe this is conducive to rampant spread of the virus.

Such horsesh*t

mohawk · 28-09-2020 09:28AM

The_Brood wrote: »

This post is so utterly embarrassing and devoid of logic - though sadly it also mirrors the government's philosophy. We need to keep the biggest virus spreader in the country open and punish everyone else because kids will be "thrilled" to see their friends again (Martin's own words too) ? What? Kids will have their futures and mental health destroyed because for the time being they may have to take online classes at home? This is not a joke?

I think all this is exposing the desperate, absolutely abysmal state of parenting in this country and maybe much of the modern world, where many/most parents cannot actually function with their children around, to such an extreme extent that they and the government are willing to see virus cases overwhelm everything and lead to further lockdowns for everyone. What does that say about the state of society?

And what does that say about us that we are willing to be ruled by such anti-science, anti-logic and common sense bunch of cowardly fools?

This is one of the most uninformed, illogical posts I have ever read on boards. You say anti-science and then say schools are driving the infections. With no evidence.

marno21 · 28-09-2020 09:28AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

0.11% of the population of Manaus has died of Covid. That indicates they are nowhere no herd immunity with IFR for the virus at c.0.6%

The thought process behind the herd immunity in Manaus theory was this paper:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.16.20194787v1

44% of people having antibodies - and they used this to estimate 66% of the population having been infected.

Hector Savage · 28-09-2020 09:29AM

Watching the football on sky sports over the weekend, so depressing to see empty stadiums.
And they are really pushing this "new normal" ... they have adds with crouch saying get used to it basically , cos this is forever ..
I wonder how economically viable is the EPL with empty stadiums as a long term business plan ?

Maybe if they increase the price of jerseys to €20,000 and similar for a Sky Sports subscription ...

Also I see a headline "Joe Biden wants to make mask wearing a law from January 2021 in the US" ...

this is going to last decades.

ACitizenErased · 28-09-2020 09:29AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Claire really pushing level three narrative this morning

Is that really surprising from RTE?

Boggles · 28-09-2020 09:30AM

I see the 5G network has been launched.

I predict more lunacy than normal.

Funsterdelux · 28-09-2020 09:31AM

Boggles wrote: »

I see the 5G network has been launched.

I predict more lunacy than normal.

No wonder cases are rising

Funsterdelux · 28-09-2020 09:32AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Claire really pushing level three narrative this morning

Shes such a Scallywag

KrustyUCC · 28-09-2020 09:32AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Is that really surprising from RTE?

True

The_Brood · 28-09-2020 09:33AM

mohawk wrote: »

This is one of the most uninformed, illogical posts I have ever read on boards. You say anti-science and then say schools are driving the infections. With no evidence.

Every single last scientific consensus on the planet, and one of the only things everyone knows for certain about Covid 19, is that large, lengthy, indoor gatherings, where people are mingling close together, is by far the biggest spreader of the virus. Meat plants is one example. Schools are by far the biggest one. How in the world is that not crystal clear to everyone?

John O.Groats · 28-09-2020 09:36AM

Boggles wrote: »

I see the 5G network has been launched.

I predict more lunacy than normal.

Indeed. Expect the tinfoil hat brigade to soon be spouting even more gibberish than they usually do.

BringBackMick · 28-09-2020 09:38AM

OMG Matiu O'Tuathaill is on again.

Is this a joke?

ixoy · 28-09-2020 09:39AM

The_Brood wrote: »

Schools are by far the biggest one. How in the world is that not crystal clear to everyone?

Because you're making an assumption that kids are as susceptible at both contracting and transmitting the virus as adults. The evidence for primary school kids, at least, seems to suggest otherwise.

GooglePlus · 28-09-2020 09:40AM

John O.Groats wrote: »

Indeed. Expect the tinfoil hat brigade to soon be spouting even more gibberish than they usually do.

"Thanks to recent mobile network upgrades, our Anti-5G movement is better connected than ever.."

eagle eye · 28-09-2020 09:41AM

The_Brood wrote:

Every single last scientific consensus on the planet, and one of the only things everyone knows for certain about Covid 19, is that large, lengthy, indoor gatherings, where people are mingling close together, is by far the biggest spreader of the virus. Meat plants is one example. Schools are by far the biggest one. How in the world is that not crystal clear to everyone?

It's because they don't want it to be true. They want to work and are fed up of their kids.
Work is easy, it's your time off from parenting.

caveat emptor · 28-09-2020 09:41AM

Young Cork student had a horrible experience with Covid.

https://twitter.com/benquigley00/status/1310292462347464705?s=20

AlmightyCushion · 28-09-2020 09:45AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Meh, a lot of people needs to calm down. The longer this goes the more we know. And the more we know the better it all look for all of us.

Estimates of COVID’s lethality have been dropping regularly. In March, when most of the states went into lockdown, Dr. Anthony Fauci estimated the mortality rate at about 2% and the World Health Organization pegged it at about 3.4%. Both are far higher than the current CDC estimate.

Those earlier numbers, which were far more frightening, got extensive press coverage. Very little media attention, however, has gone toward the new numbers.

If you get infected, your chances of surviving are as follows:

Age Group Probability of Survival

0-19: 99.997%
20-49: 99.98%
50-69: 99.5%
70+: 94.6%

A lot of people think that catching covid is somehow death sentence for everyone over 60 which is pretty much nonsense. Here is what the CDC calls its “current best estimate” of chances of dying from the virus if you get infected:

1 out of 34,000 for ages 0 to 19;

1 out of 5,000 for ages 20 to 49;

1 out of 200 for ages 50 to 69; and

1 out of 20 for ages 70 and up.

This isn't true. They might have stated that the CFR was around that level but at the time the IFR was believed to be around 1%. Back then Fauci said the rate was considerably less than 1% in February. The CDC actually estimated it was only 0.26% back in March.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/926089

The mortality rate associated with COVID-19 may be "considerably less than 1%," instead of the 2% reported by some groups, write Anthony Fauci, MD, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and colleagues in an editorial published February 28 in the New England Journal of Medicine.

podgeandrodge · 28-09-2020 09:45AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Young Cork student had a horrible experience with Covid.

https://twitter.com/benquigley00/status/1310292462347464705?s=20

Been discussed earlier. Attention seeker

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Paralysis cured by narcissism.

screamer wrote: »

Perhaps that chap asked someone to type the twitter post for him...... think outside the box sometimes people

podgeandrodge wrote: »

No, he's been tweeting a photo of himself with the hospital gown on. :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/benquigley00/status/1310308303784865794?s=20

Speak Now wrote: »

Got to keep the social media likes rolling, exaggerating a story also helps!

GooglePlus wrote: »

What a crock of ****e.

To go from being unable to breath to up and tweeting in a few hours.

Either the HSE have gone space age or it wasn't Covid that caused this chaps shortness of breath at all. A panic attack is a good shout, he was probably winding himself up after the positive result.

The_Brood · 28-09-2020 09:46AM

ixoy wrote: »

Because you're making an assumption that kids are as susceptible at both contracting and transmitting the virus as adults. The evidence for primary school kids, at least, seems to suggest otherwise.

Children and younger people are less likely to die from Covid 19, but absolutely in no way are they less likely to transmit it: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html

This is what the largest studies have shown. People are embarrassing themselves to claim "there is no evidence."

And I don't know why you would focus on "primary school kids" as if they are the only ones who attend school? Older children mingle more with society, very logical that they would spread it more.

Icantthinkof1 · 28-09-2020 09:47AM

eagle eye wrote: »

It's because they don't want it to be true. They want to work and are fed up of their kids.
Work is easy, it's your time off from parenting.

I don’t know what job you do that you can say work is easy.
Most people I know myself included don’t want to work but have to to pay the bills.
Grand for some to be in a position to be able to stay home with their kids 24/7 most of us can’t
Also I send my kids to school for an education and socialisation that I can’t give them not because I’m an awful parent only gagging for a break
I’m sick of this crap we’re all just trying to do our best with what we have.
Should we all give up our jobs, homeschool our kids and go on the dole?!

Supercell · 28-09-2020 09:48AM

I read this article earlier and thought it worth sharing here , it's quite informative and well written.

Why are we still catching colds with all the COVID measures in place?

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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