Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

blowitupref · 27-09-2020 11:27PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/irishaircorps/status/1310272327637250054?s=21

The journalists will have a field day when daily reported cases include German lab tests.

US2 · 27-09-2020 11:29PM

branie2 wrote: »

At least no one is dead, we can be thankful for that

Lots of people have died today in Ireland.

FintanMcluskey · 27-09-2020 11:47PM

US2 wrote: »

Lots of people have died today in Ireland.

Ah its hard to listen to.

The whole notion that if Covid is the only cause of death is bizzare.

Even at its worst in April Covid deaths didnt pass out the average daily death rate.

Wolf359f · 27-09-2020 11:53PM

US2 wrote: »

Lots of people have died today in Ireland.

This sound byte... eh? So if we reach 80 covid deaths, will you be saying the same?
It's an infectious disease, where those deaths can/are caused not by the persons actions. I'm thinking if a serial killer was killing on average 1 person a day in Ireland (maybe a sniper, sniping people being too close in public or not wearing a mask in a crowded place) I feel there would be a bigger outcry.

I know the DC sniper certainly changed people's habits/routines.

Zebra3 · 27-09-2020 11:55PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Half an hour off social media might be a big deterrent for some.

But I don't think young people are that stupid, The virus is spreading in all age groups and (many) areas, it's not just because some young people are having house parties.

Young people aren't stupid despite the constant hatred from younger generations throughout history.

Young people can see the facts for themselves.

FintanMcluskey · 28-09-2020 12:01AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

This sound byte... eh? So if we reach 80 covid deaths, will you be saying the same?
It's an infectious disease, where those deaths can/are caused not by the persons actions. I'm thinking if a serial killer was killing on average 1 person a day in Ireland (maybe a sniper, sniping people being too close in public or not wearing a mask in a crowded place) I feel there would be a bigger outcry.

I know the DC sniper certainly changed people's habits/routines.

80 people per day are dying in Ireland on average.

Why doesnt obesity mean curry cheese chip's and ice cream are banned?

Wolf359f · 28-09-2020 12:11AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

This sound byte... eh? So if we reach 80 covid deaths, will you be saying the same?
It's an infectious disease, where those deaths can/are caused not by the persons actions. I'm thinking if a serial killer was killing on average 1 person a day in Ireland (maybe a sniper, sniping people being too close in public or not wearing a mask in a crowded place) I feel there would be a bigger outcry.

I know the DC sniper certainly changed people's habits/routines.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

80 people per day are dying in Ireland on average.

Why doesnt obesity mean curry cheese chip's and ice cream are banned?

Because someone eating curry cheese chip's and ice-cream doesn't cause a person they were in contact with to drop dead. You see that?
People dying from Covid don't actively go out seeking to get it.

It's mainly why we have drink driving laws and speed laws, to protect the people that obey the laws, not to protect the people who break the laws.

Renjit · 28-09-2020 12:17AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

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Why doesnt obesity mean curry cheese chip's and ice cream are banned?

You have a choice. And eating curry cheese chips and ice cream will not cause other to die along with you. What kind of comparison was it even?

Happydays2020 · 28-09-2020 12:18AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Because someone eating curry cheese chip's and ice-cream doesn't cause a person they were in contact with to drop dead. You see that?
People dying from Covid don't actively go out seeking to get it.

It's mainly why we have drink driving laws and speed laws, to protect the people that obey the laws, not to protect the people who break the laws.

Perhaps some balance - it does not cause a person to drop dead. This is the type of hyperbole which is leading to a mental health crisis.

https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/status/1310273391778299905?s=21

FintanMcluskey · 28-09-2020 12:20AM

Renjit wrote: »

You have a choice. And eating curry cheese chips and ice cream will not cause other to die along with you. What kind of comparison was it even?

Because obesity is putting people at risk from Covid like no other.

Wolf359f · 28-09-2020 12:21AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Perhaps some balance - it does not cause a person to drop dead. This is the type of hyperbole which is leading to a mental health crisis.

https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/status/1310273391778299905?s=21

So the 1802 people who died from Covid, aren't actually dead?
I'm sure those grieving families should be told.

Happydays2020 · 28-09-2020 12:27AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

So the 1802 people who died from Covid, aren't actually dead?
I'm sure those grieving families should be told.

Strange response. But it is also the case that 30000 people die in Ireland every year.

Wolf359f · 28-09-2020 12:34AM

Renjit wrote: »

You have a choice. And eating curry cheese chips and ice cream will not cause other to die along with you. What kind of comparison was it even?

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Strange response. But it is also the case that 30000 people die in Ireland every year.

You just said Covid doesn't cause a person to drop dead.
Explain the reasoning behind that please.

The_Brood · 28-09-2020 12:39AM

Keeping schools opened is doing this and it is astonishing there is no discussion about closing them.

The amount of blind trust the public has in this government is beyond me. There is this blind faith that they somehow know what they're doing, that as long as we leave everything in their hands, they will choose what's best for us.

And all this despite logical failing after failing.

Schools, green lists, restrictions etc they have absolutely failed to take any correct decison.

s1ippy · 28-09-2020 12:42AM

The_Brood wrote: »

Keeping schools opened is doing this and it is astonishing there is no discussion about closing them.

The amount of blind trust the public has in this government is beyond me. There is this blind faith that they somehow know what they're doing, that as long as we leave everything in their hands, they will choose what's best for us.

And all this despite logical failing after failing.

Schools, green lists, restrictions etc they have absolutely failed to take any correct decison.

It's wilful ignorance. A combination of relief; because there's "normality" again and because the children drove them mad.

It's quite sad - a combination of economic desperation and parental neglect will be what leads the country to ruin.

Wolf359f · 28-09-2020 12:45AM

The_Brood wrote: »

Keeping schools opened is doing this and it is astonishing there is no discussion about closing them.

The amount of blind trust the public has in this government is beyond me. There is this blind faith that they somehow know what they're doing, that as long as we leave everything in their hands, they will choose what's best for us.

And all this despite logical failing after failing.

Schools, green lists, restrictions etc they have absolutely failed to take any correct decison.

Can you share the proof that schools are causing the increase?
Does Donegal have so many more schools than other counties?
The likes of Limerick and Leitrim have had reductions in cases, did they suddenly close schools without anyone knowing?

The green list, the public were begging for a green list, despite the government advising against all but non essential travel. To be looking to book a holiday during a pandemic is the absolutely idiotic thing one can do.

US2 · 28-09-2020 12:47AM

Comparing someone without a mask to a sniper Christ above

US2 · 28-09-2020 12:48AM

s1ippy wrote: »

It's wilful ignorance. A combination of relief; because there's "normality" again and because the children drove them mad.

It's quite sad - a combination of economic desperation and parental neglect will be what leads the country to ruin.

Wanting your child to get an education is parental neglect? I'd prefer my kids to catch covid than influenza!

Wolf359f · 28-09-2020 12:51AM

US2 wrote: »

Comparing someone without a mask to a sniper Christ above

Reading isn't your strong point. Read it again and then get an adult to explain it to you.

SeaBreezes · 28-09-2020 01:46AM

US2 wrote: »

Wanting your child to get an education is parental neglect? I'd prefer my kids to catch covid than influenza!

No, you wouldnt. 70 kids in sweden with MIS-C.

SeaBreezes · 28-09-2020 01:49AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ah its hard to listen to.

The whole notion that if Covid is the only cause of death is bizzare.

Even at its worst in April Covid deaths didnt pass out the average daily death rate.

Explain excess deaths.
Explain MIS-C in kids.

DraftDodger · 28-09-2020 06:10AM

US2 wrote: »

Wanting your child to get an education is parental neglect? I'd prefer my kids to catch covid than influenza!

Wow. :eek:

ceadaoin. · 28-09-2020 06:27AM

DraftDodger wrote: »

Wow. :eek:

The flu is multiple times more dangerous for kids than covid with a much higher death rate.

The long term effects of not attending school would/will be worse than the risk from the virus. We'll find this out too in coming years. Public schools in my district went online only and thousands of kids, from mostly poor backgrounds still havent engaged. Its a disaster.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/reopening-schools.html

patnor1011 · 28-09-2020 06:30AM

Meh, a lot of people needs to calm down. The longer this goes the more we know. And the more we know the better it all look for all of us.

Estimates of COVID’s lethality have been dropping regularly. In March, when most of the states went into lockdown, Dr. Anthony Fauci estimated the mortality rate at about 2% and the World Health Organization pegged it at about 3.4%. Both are far higher than the current CDC estimate.

Those earlier numbers, which were far more frightening, got extensive press coverage. Very little media attention, however, has gone toward the new numbers.

If you get infected, your chances of surviving are as follows:

Age Group Probability of Survival

0-19: 99.997%
20-49: 99.98%
50-69: 99.5%
70+: 94.6%

A lot of people think that catching covid is somehow death sentence for everyone over 60 which is pretty much nonsense. Here is what the CDC calls its “current best estimate” of chances of dying from the virus if you get infected:

1 out of 34,000 for ages 0 to 19;

1 out of 5,000 for ages 20 to 49;

1 out of 200 for ages 50 to 69; and

1 out of 20 for ages 70 and up.

ceadaoin. · 28-09-2020 06:33AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

No, you wouldnt. 70 kids in sweden with MIS-C.

Every year kids get a similar illness due to other viruses. Its nothing new. The vast vast majority of them recover with no ill effects.

Funsterdelux · 28-09-2020 06:35AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

The flu is multiple times more dangerous for kids than covid with a much higher death rate.

I'd like to see some source for that claim.

This is from cdc:

Flu illness is more dangerous than the common cold for children. Each year, millions of children get sick with seasonal flu; thousands of children are hospitalized, and some children die from flu. Children commonly need medical care because of flu, especially children younger than 5 years old. Children younger than 5 years old–especially those younger than 2– are at high risk of developing serious flu-related complications.

Most school children are over 5

The greater danger about kids getting it, its them passing it on thats the problem. Annnd before its said that its not likely I know one school with a dozen cases. They didnt all get it at home.

CruelSummer · 28-09-2020 06:35AM

The_Brood wrote: »

Keeping schools opened is doing this and it is astonishing there is no discussion about closing them.

The amount of blind trust the public has in this government is beyond me. There is this blind faith that they somehow know what they're doing, that as long as we leave everything in their hands, they will choose what's best for us.

And all this despite logical failing after failing.

Schools, green lists, restrictions etc they have absolutely failed to take any correct decison.

People actually suggesting that schools close when children have more of a chance of being hit by lightning than seriously affected by Covid is wilful ignorance.
Targeting an area which is vital to our society & future is a disgraceful attitude by some posters on this thread. Actually suggesting destroying the futures & mental health of our younger generation and for what?!
Denying our young generation an education and not reopening in May on a phased basis was lost time & a mistake. There is now a lot of catching up to do.
Parents whose mortgage breaks from banks have finished & couldn't return to work if schools remained closed would have been a catastrophe for the economy & society.
Children are more at risk from flu and other seasonal illnesses, we don’t close them then?
Some children have zero support at home and are thrilled to be back at their schools.
Teachers are getting on with the job & doing a great one in the circumstances. Risk groups should be shielded and certain posters on this thread should provide clear evidence as to how & why schools are either the problem, what is their solution and how to deal with the disastrous consequences of such. This blanket ‘close the schools’ statement is ignorance of the highest order and shows certain posters lack of education or knowledge of such.

patnor1011 · 28-09-2020 06:39AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Every year kids get a similar illness due to other viruses. Its nothing new. The vast vast majority of them recover with no ill effects.

That is one of the most favourite arguments used by covid-end-of-the-world believers. It was used extensively as a headline to show how Sweden mismanaged its pandemic strategy. What you will not see however is a breakdown of how many cases of that happened in other countries in the world prior covid era. This tired old argument is being tossed around like it is something new and it all happened because covid only.

ceadaoin. · 28-09-2020 06:42AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

I'd like to see some source for that claim.

This is from cdc:

Most school children are over 5

I added this link to my post

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/schools-childcare/reopening-schools.html

The best available evidence indicates that COVID-19 poses relatively low risks to school-aged children. Children appear to be at lower risk for contracting COVID-19 compared to adults. To put this in perspective, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), as of July 17, 2020, the United States reported that children and adolescents under 18 years old account for under 7 percent of COVID-19 cases and less than 0.1 percent of COVID-19-related deaths.[5] Although relatively rare, flu-related deaths in children occur every year. From 2004-2005 to 2018-2019, flu-related deaths in children reported to CDC during regular flu seasons ranged from 37 to 187 deaths. During the H1N1pandemic (April 15, 2009 to October 2, 2010), 358 pediatric deaths were reported to CDC. So far in this pandemic, deaths of children are less than in each of the last five flu seasons

And another

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.html

The risk of complications for healthy children is higher for flu compared to COVID-19.

There are loads of other studies showing that covid is far less dangerous for kids than influenza and less dangerous for kids in general than adults

zerosugarbuzz · 28-09-2020 06:43AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Can you share the proof that schools are causing the increase?
Does Donegal have so many more schools than other counties?
The likes of Limerick and Leitrim have had reductions in cases, did they suddenly close schools without anyone knowing?

The green list, the public were begging for a green list, despite the government advising against all but non essential travel. To be looking to book a holiday during a pandemic is the absolutely idiotic thing one can do.

The amount of tests being carried out per head of population in each county is what is causing increased numbers in certain counties. Problem is no one is drilling down into the numbers.

Example. County A. Population 100,000. 10,000 tests carried out. 200 positive results.

County B. Population 100,000. 30,000 Tests carried out. 600 positive.

County B gets locked down because no one drilled down into the numbers. I blame the media for not asking the right questions, or when they do they allow themselves to be fobbed off.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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