Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Graces7 · 27-09-2020 03:27PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Its a pity the HSE didnt answer the call to arms and increase the ICU capacity while they had a low rate in the summer . Its a pity they didnt answer the call to arms and employ more nurses to man the ICU beds and get testing and tracing up to what they promised us .
If we are to answer the call to arms let the HSE lead by example

That was explained way back. It takes 6 specially trained nurses to staff each ICU bed ; that specialised training takes 6 months on top of the usual nurse training;
Ireland is already short of nurses as so many go overseas when their training here is complete. Maybe we should keep them at home for even a year?

It is not as easy as "employing more nurses"

If they are now increasing the number of ICU beds it means that during the summer HSE HAVE indeed been employing/training more nurses to staff them.

It was announced last week that after a period without, Philipino nurses are once more going to be working internationally. They are excellent nurses so let us hope that some come here.

stockshares · 27-09-2020 03:28PM

Latest from Paul Reid.

110 in hospital
18 in ICU

https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1310151558018093057?s=19

wadacrack · 27-09-2020 03:29PM

https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1310224698974797824

TonyMaloney · 27-09-2020 03:29PM

I think some of you are being a little optimistic about our numbers. I've got a bad feeling about this evening.

But lets go along with the optimism for a second - if things have stabilised, what specific restrictions have been really effective?

Oranage2 · 27-09-2020 03:30PM

Big win we didn't hit over 20 in icu, the positive figures have been 'stable', with the positive swap count so high I was expecting a few 500 cases per day, thankfully I'm wrong.

GooglePlus · 27-09-2020 03:40PM

stockshares wrote: »

Latest from Paul Reid.

110 in hospital
18 in ICU

https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1310151558018093057?s=19

Hospital figures tend to increase before we see the knock on effect on ICU numbers. Out of the 110 in hospital, some will go on to ICU when the disease progresses. Most of the 18 in ICU have probably been in hospital a while now, so you can expect increases in ICU numbers over the next 2 weeks.

GooglePlus · 27-09-2020 03:43PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

I think some of you are being a little optimistic about our numbers. I've got a bad feeling about this evening.

But lets go along with the optimism for a second - if things have stabilised, what specific restrictions have been really effective?

What restrictions exactly, nothing has changed apart from a few restaurants shut in Dublin. Anyone who wants to leave Dublin are doing so and I know plenty who have been. We're upward trending slowly (for now) and surely.

spookwoman · 27-09-2020 03:45PM

giveitholly wrote: »

How many extra ICU beds were put into the system over the summer to deal with the winter surge or second wave?

Here is some recent details on the beds
https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2020/0924/1167126-winter-plan/

robbiezero · 27-09-2020 03:50PM

Graces7 wrote: »

That was explained way back. It takes 6 specially trained nurses to staff each ICU bed ; that specialised training takes 6 months on top of the usual nurse training;
Ireland is already short of nurses as so many go overseas when their training here is complete. Maybe we should keep them at home for even a year?

It is not as easy as "employing more nurses"

If they are now increasing the number of ICU beds it means that during the summer HSE HAVE indeed been employing/training more nurses to staff them.

It was announced last week that after a period without, Philipino nurses are once more going to be working internationally. They are excellent nurses so let us hope that some come here.

Didn't a load of them come back to fight the virus?

Gadgetman496 · 27-09-2020 03:52PM

robbiezero wrote: »

Didn't a load of them come back to fight the virus?

Yes, but little or none of them got contracts.

27-09-2020 03:54PM

Graces7 wrote: »

That was explained way back. It takes 6 specially trained nurses to staff each ICU bed ; that specialised training takes 6 months on top of the usual nurse training;
Ireland is already short of nurses as so many go overseas when their training here is complete. Maybe we should keep them at home for even a year?

It is not as easy as "employing more nurses"

If they are now increasing the number of ICU beds it means that during the summer HSE HAVE indeed been employing/training more nurses to staff them.

It was announced last week that after a period without, Philipino nurses are once more going to be working internationally. They are excellent nurses so let us hope that some come here.

Their training is superior apparently. When I incurred an emergency situation with my heart shorty my after coming out of surgery two Filipino nurses performed procedures on me that secure the situation quickly, they told me that they are trained for this and Irish trained nurses simply are not.

owlbethere · 27-09-2020 03:55PM

s1ippy wrote: »

It's well and good saying "counties need to have less than this many cases every day for the next 5 days to avoid requiring a lockdown" but that's a feat that requires two weeks of actual action to succeed.

Anyway there's very so little difference between what people are doing now and what they'll be doing at level 3 that as a response, it pales into insignificance.

We've been asked for months to keep our close contacts low and to follow guidelines. It's not new information to keep close contacts low and stay away from indoor crowds.

caveat emptor · 27-09-2020 03:56PM

Could be described as a doctor ‘freaking out” or trying to warn ⚠️.

https://twitter.com/albertoangelo17/status/1310154282302410753?s=21

ednwireland · 27-09-2020 03:58PM

one of our local spots in donegal full of northern and dublin reg cars "what lockdown"?

27-09-2020 04:00PM

robbiezero wrote: »

Didn't a load of them come back to fight the virus?

Apparently a fair few of them (Our returned Irish) were denied employment here and it was said by Reid on at least two radio programs that many were unsuitable for employment, or not up to standard. I don't know what this inferred, did it mean they were fruitfully employed in Australia etc as nurses, doctors etc, but that upon looking at their qualifications & experience it was viewed that standards required overseas are less than ours, or was it seen that some of these people had fake or dodgy qualifications which they had acquired overseas? Or had some of this cohort lost their jobs overseas because of their work performance and saw a return to Ireland as a possible resurrection as we were desperate for them? Some of this was implied by Reid during the radio interviews.

GooglePlus · 27-09-2020 04:02PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Could be described as a doctor ‘freaking out” or trying to warn ⚠️.

https://twitter.com/albertoangelo17/status/1310154282302410753?s=21

Hard not to see how sticking a load of humans into a condensed environment won't assist spread. I think the schools are a clear driver but we're consciously looking the other way to allow them to continue operating.

27-09-2020 04:04PM

ednwireland wrote: »

one of our local spots in donegal full of northern and dublin reg cars "what lockdown"?

About two weeks ago I received an autumn promotion from one of the hotels in the lovely area near the airport, offering very good value with 3 nights for the price of 2 and the latter being of a low price in the first place.

27-09-2020 04:07PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Hard not to see how sticking a load of humans into a condensed environment won't assist spread. I think the schools are a clear driver but we're consciously looking the other way to allow them to continue operating.

The governments are stuck in a desperate situation. To remedy the situation schools need to be closed, but what a desperate price to pay.

podgeandrodge · 27-09-2020 04:08PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Dublin needs than to get the 7-day rate to half of the current 14-day rate of 147 cases for restrictions to ease I.E 73 or less. The current 7-day rate is 78. Presuming a decision won't be made until next Sunday evening at the earliest. Hopefully we can exceed expectations and get it to low 60s. It's day 10 and there has been a stabilization, now we need to see the drop in daily cases for the capital.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/coronavirus-donnelly-cautiously-optimistic-about-dublin-1.4365732?mode=amp

My view on how this pans out:

Restrictions continue to be implemented as cases go up, cases then go down, restrictions then lifted, cases go back up, restrictions re-implemented etc. etc. all the way until a vaccine arrives.

Only alternative to this at this stage is to abandon restrictions.

What other option is there really.

If this is the case, it's going to a right pain in the ass for many months.

DraftDodger · 27-09-2020 04:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The governments are stuck in a desperate situation. To remedy the situation schools need to be closed, but what a desperate price to pay.

When the cold weather arrives and the schools can't keep the windows and doors open or have some classes outside cases will more than likely skyrocket. Was always going to come to this.

stockshares · 27-09-2020 04:11PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Yes, but little or none of them got contracts.

This is farcical.What exactly happened that they weren't employed?

Why didn't they insist on a contract before leaving their job abroad?

DraftDodger · 27-09-2020 04:11PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

My view on how this pans out:

Restrictions continue to be implemented as cases go up, cases then go down, restrictions then lifted, cases go back up, restrictions re-implemented etc. etc. all the way until a vaccine arrives.

Only alternative to this at this stage is to abandon restrictions.

What other option is there really.

If this is the case, it's going to a right pain in the ass for many months.

There is absolutely no guarantee a vaccine will be safely available within the next year so that may go on for years to come. People have to prepare themselves mentally for that scenario.

podgeandrodge · 27-09-2020 04:14PM

DraftDodger wrote: »

There is absolutely no guarantee a vaccine will be safely available within the next year so that may go on for years to come. People have to prepare themselves mentally for that scenario.

I agree, in terms of the next year anyway. There'll be something within a year though or there will be no option but to let it rip.

In other news:

Florida Gov Ron DeSantis announced Friday afternoon that Florida will move to "Phase 3" of its reopening plan, lifting all restrictions on bars and restaurants blocking them from operating at full capacity. The order also prevents local governments from enforcing social distancing requirements like wearing masks in public.

"It removes all remaining state-level restrictions on businesses, including on bars and restaurants, which were capped at 75% capacity in Phase 3 of DeSantis' original reopening plan."
It provides a general right to work and to operate a business. Local governments can limit and regulate businesses, but won’t be able to close businesses because of coronavirus concerns.
"Local governments won’t be able to prevent restaurants from operating at above 50% capacity. Under previous orders, local governments could go further than state-level restrictions, and counties in South Florida kept restaurants and bars closed after the state allowed them to reopen. Also, cities and counties won’t be able to impose any restrictions without an economic and health justification."

owlbethere · 27-09-2020 04:14PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/people-who-fail-to-self-isolate-should-be-fined-for-their-selfish-behaviour-says-gp-1.4365571

A GP is saying she's finding some people are not self isolating with they have a positive result or waiting on results to come back and she's suggesting to the government to implement fines. I would definitely agree with fines for people. If you were to read the link above, a company had to close because someone didn't self isolate. Why shouldnt there be any repercussions for people breaking isolation? There a huge level of greed, selfishness and arrogance about breaking isolation.

wadacrack · 27-09-2020 04:18PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Could be described as a doctor ‘freaking out” or trying to warn ⚠️.

https://twitter.com/albertoangelo17/status/1310154282302410753?s=21

They do wear masks in schools in Ireland. The school my sister is teaching in keeps all windows open and kids spaced out. This may help. No case as of yet . Agree tho that its definitely a problem and third level could be worse with combined with accommodation/students travelling to different households every weekend

hmmm · 27-09-2020 04:22PM

DraftDodger wrote: »

There is absolutely no guarantee a vaccine will be safely available within the next year so that may go on for years to come. People have to prepare themselves mentally for that scenario.

We should have rapid testing early next year which will have a big impact and make a lot of things safer. There are multiple vaccines in development - some won't make it, but enough commentators who know what they are talking about say some will so we can be reasonably confident.

I expect Winter is going to be tough, and we'll have more cycles of opening and closing, but we should begin to roll this back in 2021.

27-09-2020 04:41PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

My view on how this pans out:

Restrictions continue to be implemented as cases go up, cases then go down, restrictions then lifted, cases go back up, restrictions re-implemented etc. etc. all the way until a vaccine arrives.

Only alternative to this at this stage is to abandon restrictions.

What other option is there really.

If this is the case, it's going to a right pain in the ass for many months.

I think that that is exactly how its going to be. Advisors to the UK government over the weekend saying the same. SAGE members anticipate 2 week full lockdowns (the 'circuit breaker' that they keep talking about) followed by 3-4 weeks what there is now, and then rinse and repeat until next spring / summer.

It was in the context of university students and their inability to socially distance (and then to travel home in huge numbers). That is clearly a huge driver in the spread. There needs to be a periodic, minimum monthly, exercise in forcibly stopping the spread.....pausing life periodically.

Zebra3 · 27-09-2020 04:43PM

hmmm wrote: »

We should have rapid testing early next year which will have a big impact and make a lot of things safer. There are multiple vaccines in development - some won't make it, but enough commentators who know what they are talking about say some will so we can be reasonably confident.

Who is reasonably confident and on what basis?

igCorcaigh · 27-09-2020 04:44PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think that that is exactly how its going to be. Advisors to the UK government over the weekend saying the same. SAGE members anticipate 2 week full lockdowns (the 'circuit breaker' that they keep talking about) followed by 3-4 weeks what there is now, and then rinse and repeat until next spring / summer.

It was in the context of university students and their inability to socially distance (and then to travel home in huge numbers). That is clearly a huge driver in the spread. There needs to be a periodic, minimum monthly, exercise in forcibly stopping the spread.....pausing life periodically.

I wonder how the ripple effects in supply chains will work out. Especially with food stocks etc.

Plumbthedepths · 27-09-2020 04:45PM

owlbethere wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/people-who-fail-to-self-isolate-should-be-fined-for-their-selfish-behaviour-says-gp-1.4365571

A GP is saying she's finding some people are not self isolating with they have a positive result or waiting on results to come back and she's suggesting to the government to implement fines. I would definitely agree with fines for people. If you were to read the link above, a company had to close because someone didn't self isolate. Why shouldnt there be any repercussions for people breaking isolation? There a huge level of greed, selfishness and arrogance about breaking isolation.

Didn't you admit to breaking the time restriction yourself last night? Is it only others who the restrictions apply to and you're grand?

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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