Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

caveat emptor · 26-09-2020 01:11PM

Positive news. We now know that toilets can be dangerous. Don't panic though as now you know you can take precautions. Great news.

A new study shows how turbulence from a toilet bowl can create large plume that is potentially infectious to a bathroom’s next visitor.

The research, published Tuesday in the journal Physics of Fluids, adds to growing evidence that the coronavirus can be passed not only through respiratory droplets, but through virus-laden feces, too.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1309841762358382592?s=20

26-09-2020 01:31PM

political analyst wrote: »

Seasonal or not, vaccine or no vaccine, the effect of the flu for many people - death - is the same as it is for Covid.

The elders and vulnerable in my family for decades took the flu vaccine, not one time did any of them pick up influenza even though they mixed out a fair bit. Younger family members started getting the vaccine too, likewise free of flu. Years ago, before more widespread use of flu vaccines, there were bouts of influenza (sudden onset moderately severe febrile viral respiratory illness that floors you) reported every other year among my extended family. Now it's just the ordinary regular nasty colds, bronchitis etc.

TonyMaloney · 26-09-2020 01:36PM

714 new cases in Scotland.
290 in Glasgow.

Looks bad, but there were no deaths reported so actually it's fine

Plumbthedepths · 26-09-2020 01:40PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Positive news. We now know that toilets can be dangerous. Don't panic though as now you know you can take precautions. Great news.

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1309841762358382592?s=20

https://www.wikihow.com/Defeat-a-Twitter-Addiction

Boggles · 26-09-2020 01:47PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

You're looking at the total number of infections to date (since March). That's a very odd way of looking at the data, and totally irrelevant.

How is the doubling of the instances of infection in a month in children irrelevant to a discussion about children and Covid?

D.Q · 26-09-2020 01:47PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Absolutely. 100% compliance and obedience has to be achieved. We need to start zapping the anti-social too.

The GOAT

MerlinSouthDub · 26-09-2020 01:49PM

Boggles wrote: »

How is the doubling of the instances of infection in a month in children irrelevant to a discussion about children and Covid?

Because the level of infections in children 6 months ago is irrelevant to what impact schools have had on infection rates. The mind boggles that you don't get this

Charles Babbage · 26-09-2020 01:51PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

And the rate of infection in children is lower than in older age groups. The desire to blame children for increased case numbers is very odd.

Blaming schools avoids blaming drinking sessions.

Boggles · 26-09-2020 01:55PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Because the level of infections in children 6 months ago is irrelevant to what impact schools have had on infection rates. The mind boggles that you don't get this

I didn't mention the level of infection in children 6 months ago.

I pointed out that the recorded instances of infection has more than doubled in Children in the past month.

That is a fact.

What exactly is confusing you?

26-09-2020 01:56PM

Boggles wrote: »

How is the doubling of the instances of infection in a month in children irrelevant to a discussion about children and Covid?

Because the rate of new infections in children as a proportion all new infections is unchanged since the start of the month. Children weren’t being tested in March/ April. The testing criteria has subsequently changed significantly. Since July also they have been going to cul camps, staycations, cousins, friends and now school and new detections have caught up with the rest of the population. But that rate as a proportion of all cases is unchanged since the beginning of the month

Cody montana · 26-09-2020 01:57PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

714 new cases in Scotland.
290 in Glasgow.

Looks bad, but there were no deaths reported so actually it's fine

Deaths lag cases by a few weeks.

Boggles · 26-09-2020 01:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Because the rate of new infections in children as a proportion all new infections is unchanged since the start of the month. Children weren’t being tested in March/ April. The testing criteria has subsequently changed significantly. Since July also they have been going to cul camps, staycations, cousins, friends and now school and new detections have caught up with the rest of the population. But that rate as a proportion of all cases is unchanged since the beginning of the month

Boggles wrote: »

Confirmed infections in children have doubled in the past month, 5-14 age bracket. From 499 to now 1020.

So the growth rate for that period is 100%+, it's roughly 15-20% in the older age groups. If it were the same growth rate or higher for all other profiles, we would be at 60,000 - 70,000 confirmed infections.

Many different reasons for this. Not solely schools being back, but they are definitely a factor.

Less transmit more receive.

caveat emptor · 26-09-2020 02:02PM

Sweden not great.

https://twitter.com/zorinaq/status/1309610891952812035?s=21

Boggles · 26-09-2020 02:04PM

To be fair to Sweden, if most tried to do what they are doing it would have been absolute carnage.

Not that 6,000 deaths isn't carnage.

MerlinSouthDub · 26-09-2020 02:05PM

Boggles wrote: »

I didn't mention the level of infection in children 6 months ago.

I pointed out that the recorded instances of infection has more than doubled in Children in the past month.

That is a fact.

What exactly is confusing you?

You are looking at the cumulative number of infections. Please take a look at the number of new infections per week over the last month and come back to me. It really isn't rocket science.

TonyMaloney · 26-09-2020 02:05PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Sweden not great.

https://twitter.com/zorinaq/status/1309610891952812035?s=21

Mental that some think the swedes have attained a level of immunity that means it's effectively over for them.

Look at Iran. Never got a handle on covid, and it's still roaring through the population.

Dcully · 26-09-2020 02:09PM

I brought my young lad over to ******e Farm Foods earlier to have a look at the animals but didnt make it past the shop which is the only means of entrance, we just turned around and left.
Place was shoulder to shoulder with absolutely no monitoring of numbers or social distancing , tables in the restaurant as close together as pre-covid.
Atleast one staff member on the checkout with no mask or surrounding.
This was by far the worst case ive seen of blatant ignorance to the rules , lets just pack them in to spend seems their motto.

Boggles · 26-09-2020 02:12PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

You are looking at the cumulative number of infections. Please take a look at the number of new infections per week over the last month and come back to me. It really isn't rocket science.

I have all ready pointed it out to you 3 times, the confirmed number of infections in that age group has doubled in the last month.

Now you can't see how it is relevant, but I assure it is.

It's certainly not rocket science, but not much is apart from rocket science.

CiarraiManc · 26-09-2020 02:13PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Mental that some think the swedes have attained a level of immunity that means it's effectively over for them.

Look at Iran. Never got a handle on covid, and it's still roaring through the population.

Just shows that there's not likely to be any long term immunity to covid. We'll probably see a few more reinfections in Sweden and Iran too to prove it

jackboy · 26-09-2020 02:14PM

Dcully wrote: »

I brought my young lad over to Kildare Farm Foods earlier to have a look at the animals but didnt make it past the shop which is the only means of entrance, we just turned around and left.
Place was shoulder to shoulder with absolutely no monitoring of numbers or social distancing , tables in the restaurant as close together as pre-covid.
Atleast one staff member on the checkout with no mask or surrounding.
This was by far the worst case ive seen of blatant ignorance to the rules , lets just pack them in to spend seems their motto.

It looks like the whole country will be locked down soon so people are doing things and businesses making money while they can.

Plumbthedepths · 26-09-2020 02:16PM

Dcully wrote: »

I brought my young lad over to Kildare Farm Foods earlier to have a look at the animals but didnt make it past the shop which is the only means of entrance, we just turned around and left.
Place was shoulder to shoulder with absolutely no monitoring of numbers or social distancing , tables in the restaurant as close together as pre-covid.
Atleast one staff member on the checkout with no mask or surrounding.
This was by far the worst case ive seen of blatant ignorance to the rules , lets just pack them in to spend seems their motto.

Instead of slating a business on Boards did you make your concerns known to the owners/management?

Boggles · 26-09-2020 02:18PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Instead of slating a business on Boards did you make your concerns known to the owners/management?

Considering he stated the place was wedged, that would have been a fairly stupid thing to do, no?

Not to mention against simple public health advice.

Longing · 26-09-2020 02:19PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Instead of slating a business on Boards did you make your concerns known to the owners/management?

He shouldn't have to. If business cant read the guidelines set out for everyone's safety the shouldn't be aloud to operate.

Boggles · 26-09-2020 02:20PM

Another 400 odd positives.

26-09-2020 02:23PM

Boggles wrote: »

Less transmit more receive.

If kids going back to school was driving the increase in infections in general the proportion of children being infected should increase as a proportion of all. It hasn’t indicting the rate in children is following the overall rate. It’s not rocket science

Plumbthedepths · 26-09-2020 02:24PM

Boggles wrote: »

Considering he stated the place was wedged, that would have been a fairly stupid thing to do, no?

Not to mention against simple public health advice.

What making a phone call to a business expressing your concern is against public health advice, since when?
Although far easier to bitch and moan here I guess.

political analyst · 26-09-2020 02:24PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Sorry, we were discussing Covid?
You're linking to an article about influenza?
Why? Influenza is seasonal, has a vaccine, It's treatments are well established as are the long term health effects

If you had read the article properly, you'd know it is about Covid and includes a comparison with the flu.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-the-what-ifs-that-could-have-prevented-the-uk-covid-19-crisis-12080052

Again, I qualify the following quote from that article with the point that it is from a UK perspective.

Ultimately, you cannot control the spread of the virus without sacrificing personal freedoms and business profitability.

Even if we can reach where we are with seasonal influenza with COVID-19, there is still a significant degree of influenza mortality every year - even with well-established vaccines and antivirals.

In fact, we have essentially already decided to sacrifice the control of influenza each winter to maintain our way of life.

There has been no masking, social distancing or curfews or lockdowns for flu, even in particularly bad years.

Hospital ICUs do admit influenza patients and thousands of people die from it each year but we have just learned to live with this.

I know the differences between Covid and influenza but the fact remains - deaths from influenza are still allowed to happen every year.

Drumpot · 26-09-2020 02:26PM

Boggles wrote: »

Another 400 odd positives.

Can you explain swabs v announced cases? Are swabs initial test results but why would official announced case be different? Are some retested?

Paddygreen · 26-09-2020 02:26PM

Dcully wrote: »

I brought my young lad over to Kildare Farm Foods earlier to have a look at the animals but didnt make it past the shop which is the only means of entrance, we just turned around and left.
Place was shoulder to shoulder with absolutely no monitoring of numbers or social distancing , tables in the restaurant as close together as pre-covid.
Atleast one staff member on the checkout with no mask or surrounding.
This was by far the worst case ive seen of blatant ignorance to the rules , lets just pack them in to spend seems their motto.

Outrageous, hope you will be ok. I hope you notified the authorities. Adherence to the new normal guidelines and recommendations (aka “the rules”) or businesses should be shut down, simple as that. We need to think of the death.

caveat emptor · 26-09-2020 02:26PM

Not so much it’ll be grand / herd immunity is the only way crowd around. Must be down the pub.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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