Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

wellwhynot · 26-09-2020 10:24AM

JojoLoca wrote: »

I was wondering about that. What if a person is admitted for a surgery and tests positive, what happens then? Are they classified as a hospital Covid patient? Covid hospitalisations have increased since more hospitals opened up for procedures/surgeries.

If you have a positive test you are moved to a bed in a Covid ward and listed as a Covid hospitalisation. If you die from surgery you are still marked as a Covid death.

Curious_Case · 26-09-2020 10:26AM

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

I don’t think it is actually. I think the posters point was that it can a cause of other illnesses, though clearly not with certainty.

To the original point though, of course a heart attack victim that tests positive for Covid should be logged as a Covid patient. It would totally undermine our testing system if they were not.

I appreciate that the intended point and the obvious interpretation may differ.

Clarity is important.

MerlinSouthDub · 26-09-2020 10:26AM

Boggles wrote: »

Confirmed infections in children have doubled in the past month, 5-14 age bracket. From 499 to now 1020.

So the growth rate for that period is 100%+, it's roughly 15-20% in the older age groups. If it were the same growth rate or higher for all other profiles, we would be at 60,000 - 70,000 confirmed infections.

Many different reasons for this. Not solely schools being back, but they are definitely a factor.

You're looking at the total number of infections to date (since March). That's a very odd way of looking at the data, and totally irrelevant. The number of infections per week has increased at a slower rate for older age groups than for for children.

Plumbthedepths · 26-09-2020 10:33AM

I'm reminded of the analogy of hiring the arsonist to put out the fire.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/china-is-ready-to-declare-victory-in-vaccine-race-and-reassures-world-on-safety-fears-39563861.html

Sconsey · 26-09-2020 10:40AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I'm reminded of the analogy of hiring the arsonist to put out the fire.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/china-is-ready-to-declare-victory-in-vaccine-race-and-reassures-world-on-safety-fears-39563861.html

I'd be cautiously optimistic myself.

bloopy · 26-09-2020 10:52AM

wellwhynot wrote: »

If you have a positive test you are moved to a bed in a Covid ward and listed as a Covid hospitalisation. If you die from surgery you are still marked as a Covid death.

Are you sure of that? It seems a terribly unreliable method of assessing risk from the virus.

Goldrickssan · 26-09-2020 10:53AM

bloopy wrote: »

Are you sure of that? It seems a terribly unreliable method of assessing risk from the virus.

If you are covid positive and die its listed as a covid death in the figures.

bloopy · 26-09-2020 10:54AM

Sconsey wrote: »

I'd be cautiously optimistic myself.

Are you sure about that.
They also claim to have less than three times the amount of cases we do.

CruelSummer · 26-09-2020 10:55AM

owlbethere wrote: »

The government should stop with putting counties on warnings. I know the warnings is there for people to take heed of the public health advice, and probably for businesses to prepare. Its going to cause a fear or a panic in some people as if we will have the lockdown we had back in March. I'm in Galway where we have a warning and there's a sense of panic coming from some people now and a want to go shopping and stockpile and shop for toilet paper (I swear to god). There's no need for that. Putting counties on warnings is dangerous, I think. We have more virus covid cases now than we did back in March and probably more virus circulating than we did back in March and some people are wishing to rush out and panic buy. The warnings are likely to encourage crowds. If counties are moving to the next phase, the government should come out and just do it with no warnings. Nhpet should continue hammering out the importance of the public health guidelines.

I've looked at the data provided by the HSE re electoral areas and Galway's case incidence. It is very low, how can Míchael Martin make such statement re giving Galway a 'warning' when the data does not back up the claim...

Patrick2010 · 26-09-2020 10:56AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

you know Covid19 attacks the heart, creates blood clots and CAUSES heart attacks and strokes, right? Even in young people?

The heart attack IS the symptom?

Yeah I know that, I spend my working life in hospitals . Ok swap broken leg for heart attack, you’re still counted as a Covid patient.
Just read that Breastcheck Ireland which has suspended screening since March has decided to extend screening from every 2 years to 3 years.
How many women will die since this lack of screening? Will NPhet give us daily figures on RTÉ?

Plumbthedepths · 26-09-2020 11:08AM

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Yeah I know that, I spend my working life in hospitals . Ok swap broken leg for heart attack, you’re still counted as a Covid patient.
Just read that Breastcheck Ireland which has suspended screening since March has decided to extend screening from every 2 years to 3 years.
How many women will die since this lack of screening? Will NPhet give us daily figures on RTÉ?

Secondary deaths don't seem to matter.

Scuid Mhór · 26-09-2020 11:08AM

I stopped keeping up with Covid news recently as my intake of information in relation to same was pretty much obsessive since it first broke out in Wuhan. I'm feeling a lot better now that I have. Gathering information about something is a technique for feeling in control of something and it's totally normal, but if it's starting to drain you emotionally, I would recommend taking a break for a couple of days and coming back to the news cycle with fresh eyes.

bloopy · 26-09-2020 11:20AM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

If you are covid positive and die its listed as a covid death in the figures.

I was aware of that already and found it to be a poor way of counting the death rate.
Are you sure that the hospitalisations are being counted in the same way?
It puts a different view on things if so.

Wolf359f · 26-09-2020 11:43AM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

If you are covid positive and die its listed as a covid death in the figures.

Wrong. If you have covid it's listed (mentioned) on the death cert as with all notified diseases. If covid caused your death it's listed as cause of death or as a contributing factor.

There's a difference between a death cert listing a notified disease and cause of death. There's about 20 notifiable diseases in Ireland. All of them would be listed on a death cert if someone tested positive from them, there's nothing new about covid.

FishOnABike · 26-09-2020 11:51AM

boggerman1 wrote: »

How to fcuk can you have no symptoms for the thing and be spreading a thing at the same time.people really have been hoodwinked by this.how many people do people here know have either had the thing or died from it.I’m from a average sized town in Tipperary.i’ve only heard of one person in this parish that had it and no deaths.about 3 other people that I’ve heard off from neighbouring parishes had it as well.

Simple https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52291327 a different disease in different times but the same principle.

Measles is contagious up to four days before the typical measles rash appears.

It is not uncommon to be capable of infecting others before a person is symptomatic themselves.

owlbethere · 26-09-2020 12:01PM

FishOnABike wrote: »

Simple https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52291327 a different disease in different times but the same principle.

Measles is contagious up to four days before the typical measles rash appears.

It is not uncommon to be capable of infecting others before a person is symptomatic themselves.

Thanks for sharing that. I enjoyed that read.

26-09-2020 12:18PM

Boggles wrote: »

Confirmed infections in children have doubled in the past month, 5-14 age bracket. From 499 to now 1020.

So the growth rate for that period is 100%+, it's roughly 15-20% in the older age groups. If it were the same growth rate or higher for all other profiles, we would be at 60,000 - 70,000 confirmed infections.

Many different reasons for this. Not solely schools being back, but they are definitely a factor.

Suggest you check your work there boggles. Per the 14day epidemiology reports issued daily, the % of cases in 5 to 14 year olds is unchanged since the start of the month

26-09-2020 12:19PM

bloopy wrote: »

Are you sure of that? It seems a terribly unreliable method of assessing risk from the virus.

I presume some of the small number of deaths later sunsets red from statistics may be some of these very cases, ie a people admitted to hospital with an apparently unrelated ailment who subsequently tested positive, died and were initially listed as a COVID death, but subsequent examination, eg by autopsy, proved that the cause of death was probably entirely non-Covid related.

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 26-09-2020 12:19PM

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Yeah I know that, I spend my working life in hospitals . Ok swap broken leg for heart attack, you’re still counted as a Covid patient.
Just read that Breastcheck Ireland which has suspended screening since March has decided to extend screening from every 2 years to 3 years.
How many women will die since this lack of screening? Will NPhet give us daily figures on RTÉ?

If you take the US, the third largest cause of death is medical error (251,000 deaths annually)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28186008/#:~:text=Abstract,third%20leading%20cause%20of%20death.

On top of that the massive reduction in air pollution because of lockdown saved 1000s of lives

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2020/03/16/coronavirus-lockdown-may-have-saved-77000-lives-in-china-just-from-pollution-reduction/

So lives are being saved in other ways, hard to figure out which has the greatest impact. Could be a net positive for lives saved all things considered.

bb1234567 · 26-09-2020 12:23PM

Fecking hell, woman tazed and arrested at outdoor football game in Ohio for not wearing mask! Fairly brutal really and totally disproportionate violence to her offence

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1014408495674405&extid=xAag09lmWELQ1EiL

Sorry some people probably won't be able to watch it as its an fb link

26-09-2020 12:24PM

One BBC documentary I watched some time ago on Covid featured a doctor who spoke about death FROM Covid versus death WITH Covid, and that this is not at all always clear cut. His expertise included diabetes, and he said that many of the diabetic patients who died with/from Covid would have easily lived another 10 years good quality active life had the pandemic not affected them, so that writing such people off as already spent with their lives is erroneous.

hynesie08 · 26-09-2020 12:26PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Fecking hell, woman tazed and arrested at outdoor football game in Ohio for not wearing mask! Fairly brutal really and totally disproportionate violence to her offence

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1014408495674405&extid=xAag09lmWELQ1EiL

Sorry some people probably won't be able to watch it as its an fb link

She was asked to leave school property, she refused, was arrested, resisted arrest and was tazed. Don't see the issue.

Stormyteacup · 26-09-2020 12:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I presume some of the small number of deaths later sunsets red from statistics may be some of these very cases, ie a people admitted to hospital with an apparently unrelated ailment who subsequently tested positive, died and were initially listed as a COVID death, but subsequent examination, eg by autopsy, proved that the cause of death was probably entirely non-Covid related.

Well you could see the sense in assessing Covid numbers for hospitalisation and deaths in the early stages - nobody knew how many might be admitted and/or subsequently passed away with Covid.

Administrative nightmare to separate out potentially big numbers of cases and deaths. And collection of data for anyone testing positive is important to try to predict spread.

But now? For 100 people in hospital how difficult would it be to state the number admitted for Covid symptoms and the number admitted for other reasons and later tested positive, and are they symptomatic or not?

Similarly with deaths - yes listed as a notifiable disease, but to blanket include in Covid death reports seems very unscientific in these times when information is vital. It’s at best lazy, and at worst manipulation.

CiarraiManc · 26-09-2020 12:36PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Fecking hell, woman tazed and arrested at outdoor football game in Ohio for not wearing mask! Fairly brutal really and totally disproportionate violence to her offence

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1014408495674405&extid=xAag09lmWELQ1EiL

Sorry some people probably won't be able to watch it as its an fb link

Should've followed the rules. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Gadgetman496 · 26-09-2020 12:38PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Fecking hell, woman tazed and arrested at outdoor football game in Ohio for not wearing mask! Fairly brutal really and totally disproportionate violence to her offence

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1014408495674405&extid=xAag09lmWELQ1EiL

Sorry some people probably won't be able to watch it as its an fb link

Proper order, fair play to them.

Paddygreen · 26-09-2020 12:48PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Proper order, fair play to them.

+1 Absolutely the best way to deal with these types, a good zap of a taser will make them think twice the next time they consider breaking the rules.

Paddygreen · 26-09-2020 12:50PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Should've followed the rules. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

Absolutely. 100% compliance and obedience has to be achieved. We need to start zapping the anti-social too.

growleaves · 26-09-2020 12:57PM

political analyst · 26-09-2020 01:03PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Sorry, we were discussing Covid?
You're linking to an article about influenza?
Why? Influenza is seasonal, has a vaccine, It's treatments are well established as are the long term health effects

Seasonal or not, vaccine or no vaccine, the effect of the flu for many people - death - is the same as it is for Covid.

political analyst · 26-09-2020 01:04PM

KaneToad wrote: »

Is that the noted epidemiologist, Paul Fitzpatrick?

Who said he was an epidemiologist?! :rolleyes:

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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