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Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,086 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    So tell me, what caused the increase in cases?

    You are radically over-estimating the ability to exercise political control over a microbial infection.

    The cases increased because a respiratory virus is endemic in the population. Everyone will get it eventually.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Anyone who doesn't like covid talk on the late late show, please don't complain, just switch off your TV


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    So tell me, what caused the increase in cases?

    Summer holidays if I had to guess. Considering two dicks led to 100 case thus far. How many people were incentivised to break quarantine here? The builder's holidays are last two weeks of august. I know plenty of people who said **** it. Probably sent their kids into school too. I don't blame them as there is no compensation for quarantine and prob living from week to week.

    https://twitter.com/InfectiousDz/status/1309244859329507330?s=20


    so multiply 2 by X and then multiply that by 100. Should arrive close enough at where we are at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    growleaves wrote: »
    You are radically over-estimating the ability to exercise political control over a microbial infection.

    The cases increased because a respiratory virus is endemic in the population. Everyone will get it eventually.

    So the cases going up and down daily is cause the virus is having an off day?
    He decided as we were all locked in doors, he wouldn't bother infecting us and decided to just chill outside and wait for us to come out?

    I haven't over-estimated China's political control over a virus citizens


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Anyone who doesn't like covid talk on the late late show, please don't complain, just switch off your TV

    6 months later same show.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Fauci approves of the plan. Happy days. Glad I tuned in.


    “Even if you are without symptoms you are spreading it”


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    This aritcle was written by Cavan sports journalist Paul Fitzpatrick.

    https://www.anglocelt.ie/2020/09/19/opinion-the-nanny-state-is-well-and-truly-in-charge-now/?fbclid=IwAR2yRAtSihJwAXjD8hibsA-ejt8ebeE6PQCL4ulH_g-8jv6cd9Pzsq9l4Zg
    The situation that currently pertains is that a teenager can go to school and sit in a classroom with 25 others during the day but that evening, he or she cannot enjoy their sport in a space twice the size with high walls, no ceiling and much more ventilation.

    These nonsensical guidelines emanate from well-meaning administrators following advice from the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET). I don’t doubt NPHET's motives; what bugs me is that they cannot be questioned.

    If Covid case numbers go down, NPHET are right and are lionised as heroes (I am not speaking figuratively – these well-renumerated public servants are literally called heroes), saving the nation. If case numbers rise, NPHET are still right, it’s just that we are not listening and adhering to what we are told to do.


    Decision-making without accountability like that is never a good idea. We are long past that, though, when those who even raise the point are liable to be dismissed as tin-foil hat-wearing conspiracy theorists. I said as much to a friend recently. His response? “Okay, calm down, Jim Corr…”

    What the lockdown and the reaction it subsequently provoked in Ireland proved is that the nanny state is in charge now, once and for all. Personal autonomy has been pushed to the margins.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,086 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    So the cases going up and down daily is cause the virus is having an off day?
    He decided as we were all locked in doors, he wouldn't bother infecting us and decided to just chill outside and wait for us to come out?

    I haven't over-estimated China's political control over a virus citizens

    What are you talking about? You have no clue what is happening in China. How can you be such a naif? Do you think that if you emulate what you think a Communist tyranny on the other side of the world is doing you can control nature? You do think that, you're not alone.

    Covid peaked in mid-April everywhere, including non-locked down countries like Sweden. The fact is you can't prove whether lockdown was effective and if you're honest you don't know. When the restrictions don't seem to be working people switch over to scape-goating anyway, so not falsifiable at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,656 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Is it just a coincidence that the numbers spiralled and we've way more cases in the home since schools reopened?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Is it just a coincidence that the numbers spiralled and we've way more cases in the home since schools reopened?

    Cases were increasing at a faster rate before the schools reopened.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,656 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Cases were increasing at a faster rate before the schools reopened.

    Have you a link to that?
    Also what about cases in the home?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f



    It would be nice if you had an opinion on the article you posted.

    But just on the nanny state reference......
    I think there has to be a clear understanding that while it may appear as the government is being a nanny state to some, it's also a guardian to other's.
    I believe governments should put the protection of their citizens first.
    There are so many people with serious underlying health conditions that for the government to sit back and do nothing would be gross negligence.

    Yes only a very small percentage of people need hospital care, even smaller amount need ICU and an even smaller amount will succumb to the virus.
    However, as we have seen with hospital cases now at ~100, there will get a point where outpatient appointments will have to be cancelled again, causing more pain and suffering to those needing care.

    As people pointed out before, schools will be last to close, you can be damn sure the government won't allow the health system to come to a crawl like before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    It would be nice if you had an opinion on the article you posted.

    But just on the nanny state reference......
    I think there has to be a clear understanding that while it may appear as the government is being a nanny state to some, it's also a guardian to other's.
    I believe governments should put the protection of their citizens first.
    There are so many people with serious underlying health conditions that for the government to sit back and do nothing would be gross negligence.

    Yes only a very small percentage of people need hospital care, even smaller amount need ICU and an even smaller amount will succumb to the virus.
    However, as we have seen with hospital cases now at ~100, there will get a point where outpatient appointments will have to be cancelled again, causing more pain and suffering to those needing care.

    As people pointed out before, schools will be last to close, you can be damn sure the government won't allow the health system to come to a crawl like before.

    There was more spare capacity in the hospitals in March and April than there has been in the same months in many many years. And bear in mind that private hospitals were closed (hospitals bought but not staff) and 750k people are on waiting lists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    growleaves wrote: »
    What are you talking about? You have no clue what is happening in China. How can you be such a naif? Do you think that if you emulate what you think a Communist tyranny on the other side of the world is doing you can control nature? You do think that, you're not alone.

    Covid peaked in mid-April everywhere, including non-locked down countries like Sweden. The fact is you can't prove whether lockdown was effective and if you're honest you don't know. When the restrictions don't seem to be working people switch over to scape-goating anyway, so not falsifiable at all.

    You're saying political control can't control the virus, the virus needs people to transmit it, China can and does control it's citizens, so they can control the virus.

    We really didn't have a lockdown, it was mild compared to many countries worldwide, we called it a lockdown, but it wasn't in the strict sense of the world.
    Sweden can't have a 'lockdown' during peace time, but they issued guidelines and for the most part, the population went along.
    Ireland peaked in April, Sweden peaked in June, 9 weeks after Ireland. So this mid-April peak everywhere is a lie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,177 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    It is the schools, but they don't want us to know this at all, so blame it on everyone else like the pubs, restaurants etc.

    It is so obvious really. When did the lockdown happen for Dublin? Yep two weeks after the schools went back.

    I know some will say well what about everywhere else and THEIR schools. It is just a matter of time I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    There was more spare capacity in the hospitals in March and April than there has been in the same months in many many years. And bear in mind that private hospitals were closed (hospitals bought but not staff) and 750k people are on waiting lists.

    There was spare capacity as all non essential outpatient procedures were cancelled, that's why. The day wards used for appointments were probably intended to deal with a surge.

    It's almost as we didn't get a surge, people feel cheated or letdown?


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    It would be nice if you had an opinion on the article you posted.
    I think that's obvious - read between the lines of what I post.

    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Yes only a very small percentage of people need hospital care, even smaller amount need ICU and an even smaller amount will succumb to the virus.
    However, as we have seen with hospital cases now at ~100, there will get a point where outpatient appointments will have to be cancelled again, causing more pain and suffering to those needing care.

    As people pointed out before, schools will be last to close, you can be damn sure the government won't allow the health system to come to a crawl like before.

    The Republic has a population of under 5 million and so 100 is not a proportionately high number of Covid cases.

    Here's a UK perspective on Covid.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-the-what-ifs-that-could-have-prevented-the-uk-covid-19-crisis-12080052
    Even if we can reach where we are with seasonal influenza with COVID-19, there is still a significant degree of influenza mortality every year - even with well-established vaccines and antivirals.

    In fact, we have essentially already decided to sacrifice the control of influenza each winter to maintain our way of life.

    There has been no masking, social distancing or curfews or lockdowns for flu, even in particularly bad years.

    Hospital ICUs do admit influenza patients and thousands of people die from it each year but we have just learned to live with this.


    Influenza also disappears during spring and summer each year, so we get a regular welcome and expected reprieve.

    Eventually, our attitudes and approaches to COVID-19 may become the same.

    There you go!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Have you a link to that?
    Also what about cases in the home?

    From 14/08 to 28/08 cases increased by 26% per week. Over the past 7 days, cases increased by 20% compared to the previous week. The rate of growth has slowed. Yes, it is a worry that adults are transmitting the virus to their children at home. Adults should be more careful, avoid social contact, wash their hands etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    It is the schools, but they don't want us to know this at all, so blame it on everyone else like the pubs, restaurants etc.

    It is so obvious really. When did the lockdown happen for Dublin? Yep two weeks after the schools went back.

    I know some will say well what about everywhere else and THEIR schools. It is just a matter of time I think.

    So if the government waited until Xmas when cases got outta control and they decided to lock down, they could say it was because schools closed for xmas?

    Cases jumped up in August, it would mean schools would have to had opened in early July.

    You mention everywhere else.... ah that argument.....
    Rest of Europe say cases may arise from schools, but it's not the main driver, Ireland open schools, public give out.
    Rest of Europe say cases come from pubs, Irish government restricts pubs, public gives out.
    Cant win at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,086 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    You're saying political control can't control the virus, the virus needs people to transmit it, China can and does control it's citizens, so they can control the virus.

    We really didn't have a lockdown, it was mild compared to many countries worldwide, we called it a lockdown, but it wasn't in the strict sense of the world.
    Sweden can't have a 'lockdown' during peace time, but they issued guidelines and for the most part, the population went along.
    Ireland peaked in April, Sweden peaked in June, 9 weeks after Ireland. So this mid-April peak everywhere is a lie.

    Deaths peaked in mid-April for Sweden (115 on April 15th), Ireland and other places. (Why would I tell a lie that was easily dis-provable?)

    Xi Jinping is a Leninist dictator. Your belief that you know what is happening in China is mistaken. The 'picture' that comes out of that country is unreliable. They claimed that they had a large outbreak in March an then eradicated the disease to zero cases and deaths (or nearly that?) by April.

    'Gee maybe we should set up a totalitarian prison state too since its so effective! It works a treat'

    You can't take things at face value.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I think that's obvious - read between the lines of what I post.




    The Republic has a population of under 5 million and so 100 is not a proportionately high number of Covid cases.

    Here's a UK perspective on Covid.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-the-what-ifs-that-could-have-prevented-the-uk-covid-19-crisis-12080052



    There you go!

    Sorry, we were discussing Covid?
    You're linking to an article about influenza?
    Why? Influenza is seasonal, has a vaccine, It's treatments are well established as are the long term health effects


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭boggerman1


    Fauci approves of the plan. Happy days. Glad I tuned in.


    “Even if you are without symptoms you are spreading it”

    How to fcuk can you have no symptoms for the thing and be spreading a thing at the same time.people really have been hoodwinked by this.how many people do people here know have either had the thing or died from it.I’m from a average sized town in Tipperary.i’ve only heard of one person in this parish that had it and no deaths.about 3 other people that I’ve heard off from neighbouring parishes had it as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    growleaves wrote: »
    Deaths peaked in mid-April for Sweden (115 on April 15th), Ireland and other places. (Why would I tell a lie that was easily dis-provable?)

    Xi Jinping is a Leninist dictator. Your belief that you know what is happening in China is mistaken. The 'picture' that comes out of that country is unreliable. They claimed that they had a large outbreak in March an then eradicated the disease to zero cases and deaths (or nearly that?) by April.

    'Gee maybe we should set up a totalitarian prison state too since its so effective! It works a treat'

    You can't take things at face value.

    I've have more faith in China controlling the population and in turn the virus, than many other countries.

    How do you explain deaths peaking in Israel, Australia and Iran much later than April? Covid got hung up in customs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,656 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    From 14/08 to 28/08 cases increased by 26% per week. Over the past 7 days, cases increased by 20% compared to the previous week. The rate of growth has slowed. Yes, it is a worry that adults are transmitting the virus to their children at home. Adults should be more careful, avoid social contact, wash their hands etc
    You are taking one week.figures to claim the growth has slowed? Was it 26% every week or is that an average?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭KaneToad



    Is that the noted epidemiologist, Paul Fitzpatrick?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,086 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I've have more faith in China controlling the population and in turn the virus, than many other countries.

    There's no reason for us to continue our discussion then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    eagle eye wrote: »
    You are taking one week.figures to claim the growth has slowed? Was it 26% every week or is that an average?

    rolling 7 day week case totals (courtesy of Spookwoman)
    25/09/2020 2076 - 20% increase
    18/09/2020 1726 - 36% increase
    11/09/2020 1269 - 72% increase
    04/09/2020 736 - 14% increase
    28/08/2020 840 - 7% decrease
    21/08/2020 781 - 46% increase
    14/08/2020 533 - 31% increase
    07/08/2020 406 - 81% increase
    31/07/2020 224


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,565 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Face shields on their own are pretty useless:

    visor-plastic-face-shield-not-working-study-florida-atlantic-university-1-2-5f6c42f69606e__700.jpg

    Article here. https://www.fau.edu/newsdesk/articles/face-shield-study.php


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,086 ✭✭✭growleaves


    8idcsmfw3a9z.jpg

    These people were following the restrictions properly, why can't you be more like them?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    rolling 7 day week case totals (courtesy of Spookwoman)
    25/09/2020 2076 - 20% increase
    18/09/2020 1726 - 36% increase
    11/09/2020 1269 - 72% increase
    04/09/2020 736 - 14% increase
    28/08/2020 840 - 7% decrease
    21/08/2020 781 - 46% increase
    14/08/2020 533 - 31% increase
    07/08/2020 406 - 81% increase
    31/07/2020 224

    Correct. The rate of growth has slowed markedly since schools reopened. Remember that infections this week arise from contact over the previous 2 weeks, given the incubation period. Thanks for sharing the data.


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