Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

growleaves · 25-09-2020 01:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I had moved past that specific conversation and was speaking in the more general sense. And I do think I had a very similar conversation on Gupta with growleaves months ago on another thread where I essentially argued the she was talking out of her hole position in slightly more nuanced terms. But just because Gupta and the oxford teams conclusion may be wrong, does not mean we can dismiss all that they bring to the conversation. The oxford have huge experience and aspects of their message may offer better ways of managing this in the long run, even if the overall conclusion is wrong

Since we are relying on scientists from Oxford University to create a vaccine, a blanket dismissal of their opinions isn't even coherent.

There may even be an overlap between the Oxford Infectious Diseases Lab team whose research contra Imperial College was dismissed by the Guardian and Financial Times (those unimpeachable bastions of correct science) back in March and the team working on the vaccine now.

spookwoman · 25-09-2020 01:11PM

Epidemiology report from yesterday , one of the deaths was in the age range 25-34 the other was 65-74.

Wolf359f · 25-09-2020 01:16PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

FF as usual no idea what the either is saying, what a government

At least they are consistent in being inconsistent!

eagle eye · 25-09-2020 01:16PM

US2 wrote:

On 2fm news there. A significant rise in cases or over 65s and a significant rise in "younger" people hospitalized. Why don't they just realease the ages of these people? My guess is it wouldn't be scary enough.

Or maybe it's the exact opposite and they are afraid that people might stop working and pull their kids out of school?

Goldrickssan · 25-09-2020 01:17PM

US2 wrote: »

On 2fm news there. A significant rise in cases or over 65s and a significant rise in "younger" people hospitalized. Why don't they just realease the ages of these people? My guess is it wouldn't be scary enough.

Those spooky u65s getting sick!

Boggles · 25-09-2020 01:18PM

growleaves wrote: »

Since we are relying on scientists from Oxford University to create a vaccine, a blanket dismissal of their opinions isn't even coherent.

Good job no one is doing that.

The lady in question would have absolutely nothing to do with vaccine development anyway.

There is 15,000 people working for the university, I imagine they probably have never even heard of her.

Funsterdelux · 25-09-2020 01:21PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Did you read it? Doubt Belgium media will pay any attention to it.

Most of it. Im a changed man

Funsterdelux · 25-09-2020 01:27PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Epidemiology report from yesterday , one of the deaths was in the age range 25-34 the other was 65-74.

Must be a typo

ednwireland · 25-09-2020 01:29PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1309466968836263936

1 Donegal 148.2
2 Dublin 144.5
3 Louth 107.8
4 Waterford 86.9
5 Wicklow 74.4
6 Kildare 72.8
7 Roscommon 62
8 Offaly 59
9 Monaghan 53.8
10 Westmeath 49.6
11 Carlow 42.2
12 Cork 42.2
13 Clare 41.2
14 Laois 40.1
15 Galway 39.1
16 Meath 37.9
17 Limerick 35.9
18 Leitrim 34.3
19 Longford 31.8
20 Cavan 30.2
21 Mayo 29.1
22 Wexford 24
23 Kilkenny 22.2
24 Kerry 19
25 Sligo 18.3
26 Tipperary 15.7

i was looking at the 14 day map and the areas were showing 30 cases per 100,000 for SW Donegal, through the 333 per 100,000 for stanolar lifford area, which equated to 8 cases in SW donegal and 82 cases in stranolar lifford not saying we didnt need to be locked down but it does show a few family groups spreading infections could quickly bump up the numbers when each region has 25,000 people in it

owlbethere · 25-09-2020 01:31PM

What is driving the increase of cases in donegal, does anyone know?

dashoonage · 25-09-2020 01:32PM

owlbethere wrote: »

What I'd driving the increase of cases in donegal, does anyone know?

smuggling moonshine over the county bounds from the north.

caveat emptor · 25-09-2020 01:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Mistakes are the portals of discovery - James joyce

Not all mistakes are portals of discovery.

25-09-2020 01:33PM

Boggles wrote: »

Good job no one is doing that.

The lady in question would have absolutely nothing to do with vaccine development anyway.

There is 15,000 people working for the university, I imagine they probably have never even heard of her.

You believe the vaccine team working on Covid at Oxford don’t talk to the epidemiology team?

https://www.research.ox.ac.uk/Article/2020-03-18-coronavirus-researchers-at-oxford

The Nal · 25-09-2020 01:34PM

owlbethere wrote: »

What I'd driving the increase of cases in donegal, does anyone know?

Nordies

ginoginelli · 25-09-2020 01:34PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Every shop I go into these days has a Perspex screen at the check out desk. The screens are about 1 meter high and have no sidescreens. They also have an opening for passing purchases through to be scanned.
Do people actually believe that these screens achieve anything at all. Do they believe that if there is virus in the air that it won’t go around the sides, or over the top or through the hole in the middle of these screens?
Are these screens there just to pretend to the staff and customers that there is some protection afforded by these nonsensical screens.
The same, of course, applies to face visors, (sometimes worn on the top of the head).

Its appalling that most of these screens are allowed, they offer very limited protection, and worse still, most people behind them dont wear a mask.

On the visors - its infuriating that the government have not clamped down on them. They have been showing to be more or less useless and are banned in several countries now. Our own acting cmo said people should only be wearing them under certain circumstances if they cant wear a face covering. Yet it seems he has been completely ignored.

We really need better education, communication and litigation if we are going to beat this virus.

25-09-2020 01:34PM

Boggles wrote: »

Good job no one is doing that.

The lady in question would have absolutely nothing to do with vaccine development anyway.

There is 15,000 people working for the university, I imagine they probably have never even heard of her.

Isn't she the ex wife of the guy in charge of the Jenner Institute, the place that developed the vaccine? He's well rid I'd say.

GooglePlus · 25-09-2020 01:36PM

For people who are of the opinion that governments are wrong to implement restrictions, what are your alternative solutions?

Do you think Israel is a special case or that the increase in cases and ICU admissions across Europe will turn out to be no big deal? Can you not consider that this is start of something bigger than the few cases we are currently seeing?

Why would our governments implement something that will severely damage our economy if it wasn't necessary and do you think your random articles from the depths of the internet make you more informed than their advisors, who are all plugged into information being shared among people on the frontline across Europe?

The government isn't out to get you or purposely run our economy into the ground, there is rationale behind what they do.

seamus · 25-09-2020 01:36PM

US2 wrote: »

On 2fm news there. A significant rise in cases or over 65s and a significant rise in "younger" people hospitalized. Why don't they just realease the ages of these people? My guess is it wouldn't be scary enough.

They publish it every day, the media just don't bother their holes getting into the details.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19_Daily_epidemiology_report_(NPHET)_20200924%20-%20Website.pdf

People over 65 represent 54% of hospitalisations, 36% of ICU admissions and 93% of deaths.

If that ICU number seems weird it's because there's a huge cohort of 85+ people who never make it to hospital, and those who do basically never go to ICU.

494 people over 85 were admitted to hospital with covid, and just 6 (yes, six) of them were admitted to ICU.

The situation for 75-84 cohort is equally grim, though they are at least more likely to be admitted to hospital rather than left to fend for themselves.

ixoy · 25-09-2020 01:37PM

ednwireland wrote: »

it does show a few family groups spreading infections could quickly bump up the numbers when each region has 25,000 people in it

Yep - it doesn't take much. Take Dublin North Central - it's gone from a 79.4 to a 132 per 100k in just one week. Sounds crazy but ultimately it's 28 new cases in an LEA with over 50k people. Obviously, the concern is that it's 28 this week, 50 the next, etc but a small number of people can quickly make the figures seem very frightening.

25-09-2020 01:38PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Not all mistakes are portals of discovery.

Tell that to all those who learned not to eat that particular mushroom

caveat emptor · 25-09-2020 01:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Tell that to all those who learned not to eat that particular mushroom

Equally tell that to those that learned not to catch that virus.

Boggles · 25-09-2020 01:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You believe the vaccine team working on Covid at Oxford don’t talk to the epidemiology team?

https://www.research.ox.ac.uk/Article/2020-03-18-coronavirus-researchers-at-oxford

There is no "epidemiology team".

I imagine the "team" working on the Covid vaccine would liaise with Oxford Public health department, both of which who have their own selection of epidemiologists.

Always_Running · 25-09-2020 01:47PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Taoiseach says NPHET may advise Govt on restrictions in cities such as Cork, Waterford, Limerick and Galway, where number of cases continues to rise

Haven't cases deceased in the last week in Limerick and Surely Louth are in line for restrictions before Cork, Galway?

Hospital case numbers have to be factor also in cities, 5 in Cork hospitals and 3 in Galway as of last night.

Happydays2020 · 25-09-2020 01:48PM

Intrigue in respect to the goings on in Donegal

https://twitter.com/kilclooneyjohn/status/1309371885503877121?s=21

JP Liz V1 · 25-09-2020 01:48PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

At least they are consistent in being inconsistent!

true

Gael23 · 25-09-2020 01:50PM

Donegal’s 14 day figure now higher than Dublin.

25-09-2020 01:51PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

For people who are of the opinion that governments are wrong to implement restrictions, what are your alternative solutions?

Do you think Israel is a special case or that the increase in cases and ICU admissions across Europe will turn out to be no big deal? Can you not consider that this is start of something bigger than the few cases we are currently seeing?

Why would our governments implement something that will severely damage our economy if it wasn't necessary and do you think your random articles from the depths of the internet make you more informed than their advisors, who are all plugged into information being shared among people on the frontline across Europe?

The government isn't out to get you or purposely run our economy into the ground, there is rationale behind what they do.

This is something I can't understand, we have almost exclusively centrist politicians in charge that lean a little right. They have spent their careers prioritising the economy, often at the expense of the health service. They haven't suddenly had a road to Damascus moment. They simply recognise the threat to public health is significant enough to require measures that will have an economic impact, and that if the virus is not controlled the economic impact will be devastating in any event. Probably more so than the present light touch restrictions (which are mostly advisory).

growleaves · 25-09-2020 01:52PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

For people who are of the opinion that governments are wrong to implement restrictions, what are your alternative solutions?

Do you think Israel is a special case or that the increase in cases and ICU admissions across Europe will turn out to be no big deal? Can you not consider that this is start of something bigger than the few cases we are currently seeing?

Why would our governments implement something that will severely damage our economy if it wasn't necessary and do you think your random articles from the depths of the internet make you more informed than their advisors, who are all plugged into information being shared among people on the frontline across Europe?

The government isn't out to get you or purposely run our economy into the ground, there is rationale behind what they do.

25-09-2020 01:53PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Must be a typo

Do people really have their heads that much in the sand?

25-09-2020 01:53PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

For people who are of the opinion that governments are wrong to implement restrictions, what are your alternative solutions?

Do you think Israel is a special case or that the increase in cases and ICU admissions across Europe will turn out to be no big deal? Can you not consider that this is start of something bigger than the few cases we are currently seeing?

Why would our governments implement something that will severely damage our economy if it wasn't necessary and do you think your random articles from the depths of the internet make you more informed than their advisors, who are all plugged into information being shared among people on the frontline across Europe?

The government isn't out to get you or purposely run our economy into the ground, there is rationale behind what they do.

Do you accept that governments are not infallible? They may not purposely be running the economy into the ground, but they still are.

I accept we need restrictions but they are at times over the top and without much scientific merit. Right now I'm not particularly against Dublin level 3 due to the current trends being pretty bad, but I am absolutely against the idea we shouldn't question them. The €9 meals were nonsense, the 2km/5km were nonsense, much of retail being closed for months was nonsense also.

I just find it a bit mad that (and not talking about you here) many people I know who spend their lives telling me how bad our governments are, now take everything they say about this to gospel.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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