Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Eod100 wrote: »

From this apparently there are now 11 covid19 vaccine candidates which have reached phase 3. Hopefully some of these work. https://www.france24.com/en/20200924-novavax-enters-late-stage-clinical-trials

I think the most important part of this story is that the company have received $1.6 billion dollars from the US government to fund the development of the vaccine. The same is true of many of the vaccines in development. They are being funded by government money, even if they do not produce an end result.
There is a perverse incentive for pharmaceutical companies to claim that they are making rapid progress so that they can keep the money flowing.
It’s all just part of the barmy economics which has overtaken the world.

gud wrote: »

As most of the experts outside of ireland are starting to say now Sweden were right......

Only conclusion to that is one of two things if not a combination of both.

1. People that has that view aren't experts
2. Deluded into thinking Sweden was right.

Hego Damask wrote: »

Great to see fans back at the Bayern Sevilla match tonight.
All the leftists are battering their keyboards in their f*cking sh*t stained basements demanding a lockdown for the next 100 years.

The c*nts had no lives before , so they want everyone else to be basement dwelling gaming neckbeard 45 year old virgins ...

sorry lads, the tide is turning ...

And here you are bashing your keyboard harder than anyone on the thread. Heh. If you’d take a deep breath and some time to read, you’ll see that close to nobody is advocating locking down forever, or any extended period of time.

I'm of the hopeful opinion that at least 1 of the vaccine candidates proves successful and will be rolled out in 2021, but..... From what we are seeing a vaccine is plan a, b, c... z for the government. In the event of no vaccine working or having adverse effects that remove it as a viable candidate, what is the real plan b?

All the eggs are in the vaccine basket at the moment. We can't continue with rolling lockdowns for ever as the economic cost will reach a topping point.

Lockdowns will also prove less effective with each iteration as people will become jaded and not care anymore. Recent government and NPHET performance has damaged credibility and it's difficult to regain that. A few examples is the use of speculative science to justify the closing of pubs and restaurants without any actual data to prove a route cause. Also comments from the CMO yesterday stating that "many" young people will die to achieve herd immunity was poorly considered. He shouldn't be throwing flippant remarks around like that without any data to back it up, especially when the current evidence contradicts his assertion.

As has been touched on before we will start to see some clear evidence of collateral damage of placing covid ahead of all other conditions. At least 1 GP had stated that a number of their patients have died from cancer that would have had a better prognosis if it were not for covid related delays and shifted resources.

We also have mental health and childhood developmental practitioners (occupational therapy, etc) being reassigned to do covid swabbing!

In saying all that I'm not in the camp of it being "just another flu". Quite the opposite. I'm acutely aware of how serious it is for vulnerable people and the rest of us need to take responsibility also. Continue to wear masks and observe social distancing when possible. But we are losing sight of other issues in society that will have ramifications for years to come.

techdiver wrote: »

I'm of the hopeful opinion that at least 1 of the vaccine candidates proves successful and will be rolled out in 2021, but..... From what we are seeing a vaccine is plan a, b, c... z for the government. In the event of no vaccine working or having adverse effects that remove it as a viable candidate, what is the real plan b?

All the eggs are in the vaccine basket at the moment. We can't continue with rolling lockdowns for ever as the economic cost will reach a topping point.

Lockdowns will also prove less effective with each iteration as people will become jaded and not care anymore. Recent government and NPHET performance has damaged credibility and it's difficult to regain that. A few examples is the use of speculative science to justify the closing of pubs and restaurants without any actual data to prove a route cause. Also comments from the CMO yesterday stating that "many" young people will die to achieve herd immunity was poorly considered. He shouldn't be throwing flippant remarks around like that without any data to back it up, especially when the current evidence contradicts his assertion.

As has been touched on before we will start to see some clear evidence of collateral damage of placing covid ahead of all other conditions. At least 1 GP had stated that a number of their patients have died from cancer that would have had a better prognosis if it were not for covid related delays and shifted resources.

We also have mental health and childhood developmental practitioners (occupational therapy, etc) being reassigned to do covid swabbing!

In saying all that I'm not in the camp of it being "just another flu". Quite the opposite. I'm acutely aware of how serious it is for vulnerable people and the rest of us need to take responsibility also. Continue to wear masks and observe social distancing when possible. But we are losing sight of other issues in society that will have ramifications for years to come.

There is lots of research going on outside of vaccines. There's treatments to give a better chance of positive outcomes. There's improved testing and tracking. If you look at professional sports, in many cases they've been able to get back to normal because the competitors are tested repeatedly so they can be sure anybody with covid is immediately caught and isolated. Spreading that kind of diligence to many more workplaces and public places is a matter of scale and cost reduction.

So there are many tracks for potential solutions, and in the meantime social distancing and lockdowns where appropriate are required. I get where you're coming from saying lockdowns become less effective as people get tired of them, but I do think apart from an extremely vocal minority most people are still pretty understanding and compliant. And if we do get to a point where nobody is obeying the rules, we'll quickly be seeing hundreds of deaths per day and that in itself will encourage strong compliance again.

I disagree that we're losing sight of other issues in society. I have had hospital appointments as normal recently. Shops are open, schools are open, businesses are open. The adjustments we've all had to make have generally been proportionate to the threat at hand. Hopefully we won't see continued growth in case numbers in the next few weeks which would force us to lock down a bit more, but for now we're managing things about as well as we can.

Fcuk that's some rain

eagle eye wrote: »

I've done but many times over the last few months. I did it in Tesco yesterday when this fool with a mask not covering his nose leaned in right in front of me to grab an item off the shelf.

Did you deck him?