Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

lawrencesummers · 24-09-2020 12:24PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

So now the dubs have a super strain that's caused other counties to become infected, symptomatic, referred, tested, diagnosed and recorded in 4 days.........

Good.

We know two things.

1. Ahuge amount of people from Dublin travelled out of the County once the measures were announced.

2. People infect people.

Very shortsighted restricting the movement of people in one area but allowing those same people move freely in another nearby area.

The lack of accurate contact tracing in Ireland will never prove this, we will get 50% plus ‘community transmission’ from the HsE in their figures but it stands to reason that there is no point limiting activity in one area when people can easily go an hour down the road and partake in that activity.

Happydays2020 · 24-09-2020 12:25PM

Do NPHET still not really they are not the Government but rather provide advice?

Acting chief medical officer Dr Ronan Glynn yesterday said that struggling hospitality sectors will not influence public health decisions.

He said he was aware of the impact of the ban on indoor dining in Dublin for the next three weeks but said “that cannot influence public health decisions when we are seeing the hospitalisations, admissions to critical care and the deaths we have seen in recent days.”

lawrencesummers · 24-09-2020 12:26PM

Boggles wrote: »

Since Saturday?

I can’t say that.

But you can’t either say that nobody from Dublin brought the virus with them to an area outside the county which was done because of restrictions in their local area.

No point having lockdowns if you cant enforce them.

ch750536 · 24-09-2020 12:26PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

It’s mad they don’t have a database of those that have recovered. Surely not everyone either does or recovers within 14 days?

They have a database, we just don't know factually what recovered means, because this is new. Could have a heart attack this time next year because of an infection this year.

wadacrack · 24-09-2020 12:27PM

High proportion of hospital cases needing ICU here and in France. Could be that milder cases are now staying home compared to the first wave but worrying

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1309106065284440078

seamus · 24-09-2020 12:29PM

Based on the HSE dashboard, probably about 14,000 swabs done in the last 24 hours. Should yield 300-400 positive swabs.

Backlog of 50-70 from yesterday. Optimistically looking at the announcement of ~350 new cases today. And that would be a rather good, stable number.

Non solum non ambulabit · 24-09-2020 12:30PM

ch750536 wrote: »

They have a database, we just don't know factually what recovered means, because this is new. Could have a heart attack this time next year because of an infection this year.

Active normally refers to infectious more than fully recovered. Once a person is no longer infectious they are no longer active in terms of spreading the virus

KrustyUCC · 24-09-2020 12:32PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Do NPHET still not really they are not the Government but rather provide advice?

Acting chief medical officer Dr Ronan Glynn yesterday said that struggling hospitality sectors will not influence public health decisions.

He said he was aware of the impact of the ban on indoor dining in Dublin for the next three weeks but said “that cannot influence public health decisions when we are seeing the hospitalisations, admissions to critical care and the deaths we have seen in recent days.”

NPHET are all about public health

They wouldn't care less if they kept all indoor spaces closed indefinitely if it kept cases down

It's up to the government to see the bigger picture and one reason why the government have added an extra layer inbetween NPHET and themselves

JP Liz V1 · 24-09-2020 12:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no chance of pubs/restaurants opening in next 6 weeks. Numbers will still be increasing by the time they need to make a decision in two weeks.
There is a 29 year old in an ICU in Dublin with no underlying conditions which really sharpened minds in NPHET leading to these restrictions.

I think if numbers keep rising all pubs will close

Away With The Fairies · 24-09-2020 12:34PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Come on AWTF one cannot base public health decisions on single cases. Hell there are people ending up in ICU over peanut allergies.

Is it that now when publicly available data clearly indicates that this virus is not remotely as serious as was initially assumed we have to come up with single case scare stories to keep public opinion in line?

Are ICU full of peanut allergy patients? Pandemic of peanut allergy.

hynesie08 · 24-09-2020 12:37PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

We know two things.

1. Ahuge amount of people from Dublin travelled out of the County once the measures were announced.

2. People infect people.

Very shortsighted restricting the movement of people in one area but allowing those same people move freely in another nearby area.

The lack of accurate contact tracing in Ireland will never prove this, we will get 50% plus ‘community transmission’ from the HsE in their figures but it stands to reason that there is no point limiting activity in one area when people can easily go an hour down the road and partake in that activity.

Actually we don't know 1, how many people are we talking here? Also the counties most at risk now are louth and Waterford, why would you leave a city to move to another city/big town......
Or are dubs heading up on the Matthew's bus for a days drinking in drogheda?

24-09-2020 12:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You are suggesting that NPHET are basing country wide advice on one person in ICU?

There are certain characteristics of this case/pathophysiology (or lack there of) that you can make the rationale for current advice given about Dublin in particular. It reinforced the thinking rather NPHET basing their decision on it.

petes · 24-09-2020 12:39PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Are ICU full of peanut allergy patients? Pandemic of peanut allergy.

That is not what that poster meant and you know it.

You still haven't provided and backup to your earlier posts. Why is that? Why do you always ignore requests for the spurious stuff that you post here with actual fact?

Away With The Fairies · 24-09-2020 12:41PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

If you’re saying something with such certainty it should be easy for you to provide proof. Are you the same fella who was wondering how you could eat lunch in work with a mask on a while back?

There has been plenty of it in the news, on rte programmes.

This was only a few weeks ago. But ignore away if you want.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40042097.html%3ftype=amp

24-09-2020 12:41PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Where's that poster that said this doesn't infect young people and we should go the herd immunity route?

To be fair, it tends to be fairly limiting in the majority of young people but there are certain aspects about that particular case that are troubling/worrying.

mohawk · 24-09-2020 12:43PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

NPHET are all about public health

They wouldn't care less if they kept all indoor spaces closed indefinitely if it kept cases down

It's up to the government to see the bigger picture and one reason why the government have added an extra layer inbetween NPHET and themselves

The government and health authorities have to do their part too. They need to get contract tracing right. People need to be isolating and restricting movements when they are supposed to. What can be done to make sure it happens? I mean they weren’t even asking if people had been to a restaurant.
They need to stop with telling the public to do more. Thousands have lost jobs, thousands are waiting for hospital appointments for other conditions. Many have cut their social contacts dramatically and to do so any further will affect mental health especially cutting visits to our elderly relatives.

Away With The Fairies · 24-09-2020 12:43PM

petes wrote: »

That is not what that poster meant and you know it.

You still haven't provided and backup to your earlier posts. Why is that? Why do you always ignore requests for the spurious stuff that you post here with actual fact?

There has been plenty in the news and on rte programmes.

Oranage2 · 24-09-2020 12:44PM

seamus wrote: »

Based on the HSE dashboard, probably about 14,000 swabs done in the last 24 hours. Should yield 300-400 positive swabs.

Backlog of 50-70 from yesterday. Optimistically looking at the announcement of ~350 new cases today. And that would be a rather good, stable number.

The only thing stable about that number is its door closing after the horse bolted. These numbers are increasing and we've no way of stopping it

Wolf359f · 24-09-2020 12:46PM

seamus wrote: »

Based on the HSE dashboard, probably about 14,000 swabs done in the last 24 hours. Should yield 300-400 positive swabs.

Backlog of 50-70 from yesterday. Optimistically looking at the announcement of ~350 new cases today. And that would be a rather good, stable number.

Looks like community referrals are down so far this week compared to last week. So as long as the positivity rate stays stable, it's a little bit of good news.

manniot2 · 24-09-2020 12:46PM

Dr Martin Feeney talking sense again in the IT. And fair play to them for publishing it. The HSE tried their best to silence him.

Boggles · 24-09-2020 12:46PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I can’t say that.

But you still did.

Stop talking bollix, there is no evidence a hugh amount of the populous left Dublin since Saturday and absolutely none to suggest that has attributed to the current rise in infections.

normanoffside · 24-09-2020 12:48PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Austria over 8000 active cases
Bulgaria over 4600 active cases
Ireland over 7800 active cases

Don’t be looking at worldometers for active cases. Ireland hasn’t published recovery figure for months.
Active cases would be those that occurred in the last 14 days. In Ireland that would be around 4000?

24-09-2020 12:50PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Active normally refers to infectious more than fully recovered. Once a person is no longer infectious they are no longer active in terms of spreading the virus

Every day is a learning day.

ednwireland · 24-09-2020 12:51PM

Boggles wrote: »

But you still did.

Stop talking bollix, there is no evidence a hugh amount of the populous left Dublin since Saturday and absolutely none to suggest that has attributed to the current rise in infections.

there isn't any evidence they didn't either, which to be honest is the level of argument in the last 230000 odd posts in these threads

Plumbthedepths · 24-09-2020 12:54PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

There has been plenty of it in the news, on rte programmes.

This was only a few weeks ago. But ignore away if you want.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40042097.html%3ftype=amp

33,000 known cases in Ireland, he is one of a very rare number of young people who contracted the virus and suffered to the degree he did. Btw he's back at work several weeks now.
You're very good at ignoring questions yourself. I asked you the same question twice but you refused to answer. I won't remind you of what it was save you ignoring it a third time.

ElTel · 24-09-2020 12:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There are certain characteristics of this case/pathophysiology (or lack there of) that you can make the rationale for current advice given about Dublin in particular. It reinforced the thinking rather NPHET basing their decision on it.

They're an interesting case study?. So can I assume their vitamin D levels (say) are normal and blood work have shown nothing weird?

zerosugarbuzz · 24-09-2020 12:59PM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Every day is a learning day.

And the next ten days are always critical, have been since March 15th ðŸ§

Boggles · 24-09-2020 01:01PM

ednwireland wrote: »

there isn't any evidence they didn't either, which to be honest is the level of argument in the last 230000 odd posts in these threads

Well there is.

Yesterdays numbers were seeded 7-10 days ago.

Unless the virus in Dublin is a different strain?

24-09-2020 01:01PM

ElTel wrote: »

They're an interesting case study?. So can I assume their vitamin D levels (say) are normal and blood work have shown nothing weird?

The link between vitamin D levels/telomere lengths and susceptibility is out there with homeopathy. I can't divulge any specific information about the patient but blood work would be carried out on every in-patient.

Vitamin D levels tie into our immune system but I see no evidence so far that it prevents people getting COVID.

Away With The Fairies · 24-09-2020 01:02PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

33,000 known cases in Ireland, he is one of a very rare number of young people who contracted the virus and suffered to the degree he did. Btw he's back at work several weeks now.
You're very good at ignoring questions yourself. I asked you the same question twice but you refused to answer. I won't remind you of what it was save you ignoring it a third time.

And you also ignored what I wrote. I gave my reasons to why we can't go the herd immunity route. This is affecting people of all ages and in so many ways. But continue on to ignore.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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