Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Jackman25 · 24-09-2020 06:44AM

State of this thread.
Like a bunch of people trapped in a room together for 6 months, which of course it is in a virtual sense.

Big Brother - just without any likable character.

pjohnson · 24-09-2020 06:53AM

Jackman25 wrote: »

State of this thread.
Like a bunch of people trapped in a room together for 6 months, which of course it is in a virtual sense.

Big Brother - just without any likable character.

Its far from the loopiest in this forum. Good for actual updates not hysteria.

Funsterdelux · 24-09-2020 06:53AM

Jackman25 wrote: »

State of this thread.
Like a bunch of people trapped in a room together for 6 months, which of course it is in a virtual sense.

Big Brother - just without any likable character.

And just like the TV show you dont have to tune in

24-09-2020 07:00AM

Jackman25 wrote: »

State of this thread.
Like a bunch of people trapped in a room together for 6 months, which of course it is in a virtual sense.

Big Brother - just without any likable character.

I think there’s a bit of The Prisoner in the mix too. Mike.ie is Number 2 and has just administered some knockout gas to the dissenters. They’ll wake up in a couple of days and may/may not conform.

I think Beasty must be Number 1 and he is busy knitting more big balls.

lawrencesummers · 24-09-2020 07:02AM

While these things are not extricably linked we have been told they are factors between use and limiting of virus spread.

So, why is it that we have brought in compulsory mask wearing a few weeks back and now cases are rising.

Are people not wearing them?
Are they using them wrong?
Are they the wrong mask type?
Do they even work?
Are they being used in the wrong setting?

What Username Guidelines · 24-09-2020 07:03AM

Jackman25 wrote: »

State of this thread.
Like a bunch of people trapped in a room together for 6 months, which of course it is in a virtual sense.

Big Brother - just without any likable character.

I like Arghus’s balanced posts tbh.

24-09-2020 07:09AM

In other news.....

Yer man, David Abel who along with his wife contracted Covid on the cruise ship early in the year was rushed to hospital yesterday with a suspected stroke. Turns out he’s been having TIA’s without realising.

He’s turned into a bit of a social media junkie though as he got someone to take a picture of him lying on a gurney in the back of an ambulance with a real time post from his own FB account saying he had a suspected stroke.

prunudo · 24-09-2020 07:11AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

While these things are not extricably linked we have been told they are factors between use and limiting of virus spread.

So, why is it that we have brought in compulsory mask wearing a few weeks back and now cases are rising.

Are people not wearing them?
Are they using them wrong?
Are they the wrong mask type?
Do they even work?
Are they being used in the wrong setting?

I think they're missing something on how it spreads. Either its as simple as asymptomatic people spreading in home gatherings, not necessarily parties, could even be over a cup of tea/coffee or its something they've over looked or are afraid to admit, ie children/teenagers are spreading it too adults.

rob316 · 24-09-2020 07:13AM

The Swede epidemiologist Anders is under the opinion England and Sweden had a high death rate as they both experienced very mild flu seasons in 2019 in comparison to previous years. Interesting.

I was trying to find Ireland figures but couldn't. Anyone got those?

is_that_so · 24-09-2020 07:16AM

rob316 wrote: »

The Swede epidemiologist Anders is under the opinion England and Sweden had a high death rate as they both experienced very mild flu seasons in 2019 in comparison to previous years. Interesting.

I was trying to find Ireland figures but couldn't. Anyone got those?

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/20192020season/

Boggles · 24-09-2020 07:31AM

rob316 wrote: »

The Swede epidemiologist Anders is under the opinion England and Sweden had a high death rate as they both experienced very mild flu seasons in 2019 in comparison to previous years. Interesting.

I was trying to find Ireland figures but couldn't. Anyone got those?

Flu is a completely separate disease.

Is he claiming people died from the Flu and not Covid?

A link would be helpful.

caveat emptor · 24-09-2020 07:32AM

Ivor Cummins has been more than a bit wrong. Bit of humility wouldn't go astray.
Clear he never learned to say "I don't know"

https://twitter.com/jocami_ca/status/1307572931766165504?s=20

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1307572931766165504.html

Goldrickssan · 24-09-2020 07:36AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Ivor Cummins has been more than a bit wrong. Bit of humility wouldn't go astray.
Clear he never learned to say "I don't know"

https://twitter.com/jocami_ca/status/1307572931766165504?s=20

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1307572931766165504.html

He is such a plague

Happydays2020 · 24-09-2020 07:42AM

Boggles wrote: »

Flu is a completely separate disease.

Is he claiming people died from the Flu and not Covid?

A link would be helpful.

I presume what he is saying is that people who would have passed away during a normal or heavy flu season did not, and when Covid arrived those people passed away. The excess deaths figure for this year will show that it will be in the 100’s. There is no doubt that the lockdown did prevent additional deaths.

However, the future Covid lockdown deaths will be another matter - they will be higher rates of suicide as the recession bites, undetected cancers due to the closing of facilities, heart and stroke victims who did not present with early symptoms as well as the many deaths which will arise through a much depleted health system when austerity policies come in.

And the much maligned younger will emigrate so will not be there to pay high taxes or stay unemployed.

Boggles · 24-09-2020 07:50AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I presume what he is saying is that people who would have passed away during a normal or heavy flu season did not, and when Covid arrived those people passed away. The excess deaths figure for this year will show that it will be in the 100’s. There is no doubt that the lockdown did prevent additional deaths.

Did no one die of the flu in Sweden this year?

When they measure excess deaths it's redundant of people who died from all other ailments.

It's why it is called excess deaths.

Happydays2020 wrote: »

However, the future Covid lockdown deaths will be another matter - they will be higher rates of suicide as the recession bites, undetected cancers due to the closing of facilities, heart and stroke victims who did not present with early symptoms as well as the many deaths which will arise through a much depleted health system when austerity policies come in.

And the much maligned younger will emigrate so will not be there to pay high taxes or stay unemployed.

And what would be the number of deaths if people with actual acute ailments were unable to get treatment if the virus was rampant in the community?

How would that affect mental health and subsequent suicides and the economy?

Gruffalux · 24-09-2020 07:57AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

And the much maligned younger will emigrate so will not be there to pay high taxes or stay unemployed.

Maybe they could go to Brazil, where the virus is just a flu? There are not that many countries where they could go and expect Covid control measures to be less strict than here.

24-09-2020 07:59AM

Boggles wrote: »

Flu is a completely separate disease.

Is he claiming people died from the Flu and not Covid?

A link would be helpful.

The theory is old people who would have been killed by the flu in a normal winter flu season instead survived to be taken instead by coivd. It is fair to say there is some of this, however the number of deaths due to covid far exceed the expected deaths

24-09-2020 08:00AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Ivor Cummins has been more than a bit wrong. Bit of humility wouldn't go astray.
Clear he never learned to say "I don't know"

https://twitter.com/jocami_ca/status/1307572931766165504?s=20

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1307572931766165504.html

Certainty is a suspicious trait in anyone

Drumpot · 24-09-2020 08:01AM

Boggles wrote: »

Did no one die of the flu in Sweden this year?

When they measure excess deaths it's redundant of people who died from all other ailments.

It's why it is called excess deaths.

And what would be the number of deaths if people with actual acute ailments were unable to get treatment if the virus was rampant in the community?

How would that affect mental health and subsequent suicides and the economy?

I don’t get the rational of this. So less people died of flu one year which means that it was a good year. How does that equate to it being ok to leave that generation exposed the next year to even greater peril?

A new virus comes out that makes it twice (Flu/COVID) as likely to kill those who didn’t die of flu last year among with twice as likely to kill those vulnerable to the flu, so you take an approach that “they are lucky to be alive so natural selection and all that”. It’s just deplorable , it’s also a good example of human justification for treating certain sections of humanity with contempt.

manniot2 · 24-09-2020 08:01AM

listening to the job losses and business closing report on morning ireland there was harrowing. all based off dodgy pcr tests and a group of civil servants covering their backsides for putting nursing homes to the slaughter last march...anyway on we go

Funsterdelux · 24-09-2020 08:05AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

While these things are not extricably linked we have been told they are factors between use and limiting of virus spread.

So, why is it that we have brought in compulsory mask wearing a few weeks back and now cases are rising.

Are people not wearing them?
Are they using them wrong?
Are they the wrong mask type?
Do they even work?
Are they being used in the wrong setting?

Theres some research done on its mutation. Early days though but it might very well be more transmissible than it was say in feb/march(but neither more or less deadly, or unknown yet.) That strain is now the dominant strain
Could be why alot of our social distancing measures etc arent as effective.

Goldrickssan · 24-09-2020 08:06AM

manniot2 wrote: »

listening to the job losses and business closing report on morning ireland there was harrowing. all based off dodgy pcr tests and a group of civil servants covering their backsides for putting nursing homes to the slaughter last march...anyway on we go

Majority of doom and gloom on the news is about the virus.
Job losses and struggling business owners are being ignored - the real tragedy in my opinion

Funsterdelux · 24-09-2020 08:12AM

MerlinSouthDub · 24-09-2020 08:14AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Certainty is a suspicious trait in anyone

Certainty and inability to change your opinion, even when proved wrong.

24-09-2020 08:15AM

Drumpot wrote: »

I don’t get the rational of this. So less people died of flu one year which means that it was a good year. How does that equate to it being ok to leave that generation exposed the next year to even greater peril?

A new virus comes out that makes it twice (Flu/COVID) as likely to kill those who didn’t die of flu last year among with twice as likely to kill those vulnerable to the flu, so you take an approach that “they are lucky to be alive so natural selection and all that”. It’s just deplorable , it’s also a good example of human justification for treating certain sections of humanity with contempt.

The very old in their last days are as often as not killed by a respiratory infection. They die of old age, but its a flu/ cold/bacterial pneumonia that eventually takes them. Its why far more people die in winter than summer and pneumonia is known as "Old Mans Friend". At least a portion of the difference between our excess deaths this year and our Covid deaths are as a result of this, people dying of old age, and Covid being the thing that ultimately took them.

Boggles · 24-09-2020 08:16AM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Majority of doom and gloom on the news is about the virus.
Job losses and struggling business owners are being ignored - the real tragedy in my opinion

No they aren't.

I have lost count of how many publicans I have seen on the news with a sad face in a empty pub the last few months.

Goldrickssan · 24-09-2020 08:18AM

Boggles wrote: »

No they aren't.

I have lost count of how many publicans I have seen on the news with a sad face in a empty pub the last few months.

What about airline employees? Shop owners? People who have had their wages cut massively and are struggling to pay their bills?

GooglePlus · 24-09-2020 08:19AM

Boggles wrote: »

No they aren't.

I have lost count of how many publicans I have seen on the news with a sad face in a empty pub the last few months.

That's really just the media touching on our obsession with alcohol more than anything. Haven't seen many others who are affected on the news.

robfowler78 · 24-09-2020 08:20AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Ivor Cummins has been more than a bit wrong. Bit of humility wouldn't go astray.
Clear he never learned to say "I don't know"

https://twitter.com/jocami_ca/status/1307572931766165504?s=20

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1307572931766165504.html

I might be wrong but I think he put a video out on YouTube showing were he answered some of these accusations. I think at this stage your either in the lockdown or anti lockdown group.

GooglePlus · 24-09-2020 08:21AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

And then he said.. let there be ****e memes.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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