Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

_Kaiser_ · 23-09-2020 07:20PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

If he is comfortable in making such a statement in a national newspaper it's clear our elected government is not doing their job.

That's unfortunately been the case since late April I'm afraid.

3xh · 23-09-2020 07:20PM

Hah! And now we have this.......

From d’Indo;
‘Fresh hope emerged today that the Covid-19 outbreak in Dublin may be coming under control.

The 14 day incidence to Monday has fallen to 136.9 per 100,000 compared to 138 per 100,000 on Sunday.

The reduction may be a blip or a signal that the tide is turning although it will be next week before it is clear if the measures announced last Friday have stabilised the spread of the virus in the capital’

Absolute click bait fetish porn at this stage.

Media, Government, NPHET are a laughing stock.

_Kaiser_ · 23-09-2020 07:33PM

3xh wrote: »

Hah! And now we have this.......

From d’Indo;
‘Fresh hope emerged today that the Covid-19 outbreak in Dublin may be coming under control.

The 14 day incidence to Monday has fallen to 136.9 per 100,000 compared to 138 per 100,000 on Sunday.

The reduction may be a blip or a signal that the tide is turning although it will be next week before it is clear if the measures announced last Friday have stabilised the spread of the virus in the capital’

Absolute click bait fetish porn at this stage.

Media, Government, NPHET are a laughing stock.

They can't even be consistent within their own articles. Just got an alert for this one :

The country has two weeks to stop national lockdown as the virus is growing at the same rate across the country as it is in Dublin, it has been warned.
Speaking at this evening’s press conference on Covid-19, Professor Philip Nolan said that the rest of the country is around two weeks behind Dublin in terms of coronavirus cases.

He said that a change of behaviour is needed - otherwise, the rest of the country could catch up to the capital

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/ireland-has-two-weeks-to-stop-national-lockdown-as-virus-grows-at-same-rate-across-the-country-as-in-dublin-39557416.html

Ginger n Lemon · 23-09-2020 08:09PM

'An awful lot of young people might have to die' if we were to pursue herd immunity strategy, Prof Nolan says

https://www.thejournal.ie/herd-immunity-nphet-5213262-Sep2020/

That didnt take long. Prof Nolan with Prof Ro Ro do not want to entertain Swedish ideas, or any other ideas that involve thinking and trust.

In the meantime we've shut down our capital city effectively for

In last two months, since 23rd July. 7,849 cases. 32 deaths. Some of which were backdated.

Telling you, more road deaths than covid since 23 July. I havent said this in a while - open up.

normanoffside · 23-09-2020 08:13PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Don't forget "double-down on our efforts". The man is clueless and just throwing around random phrases at this stage.

We can't go on like this - lockdowns, restrictions, opening and closing businesses on a whim. Coming into the cold, long, dark winter nights now and they expect us to sit at home twiddling our thumbs and slowly going insane for 6 months.

They haven't a fcuking notion what to do next.

Nolan said today we have to redouble our efforts. Since they're already doubled that means quadruple them.

Penfailed · 23-09-2020 08:26PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

Gina Daly from The Daly Dish (food influencer type couple, herself and her husband) just posted about her nightmare, a miscarriage she had a few weeks ago. Her husband wasn't allowed to be with her for the checks and the scans, and the final scan.

Imagine how heartbreaking that must have been.

Stupid, stupid restriction.

Trying to keep Covid out of hospitals is a stupid restriction? Really?

FintanMcluskey · 23-09-2020 08:50PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

'An awful lot of young people might have to die' if we were to pursue herd immunity strategy, Prof Nolan says

https://www.thejournal.ie/herd-immunity-nphet-5213262-Sep2020/

That didnt take long. Prof Nolan with Prof Ro Ro do not want to entertain Swedish ideas, or any other ideas that involve thinking and trust.

In the meantime we've shut down our capital city effectively for

In last two months, since 23rd July. 7,849 cases. 32 deaths. Some of which were backdated.

Telling you, more road deaths than covid since 23 July. I havent said this in a while - open up.

That's just lies and irresponsible nonsense from Nolan.

Why are these low IQ parasites given airtime

walus · 23-09-2020 08:51PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

'An awful lot of young people might have to die' if we were to pursue herd immunity strategy, Prof Nolan says

https://www.thejournal.ie/herd-immunity-nphet-5213262-Sep2020/

That didnt take long. Prof Nolan with Prof Ro Ro do not want to entertain Swedish ideas, or any other ideas that involve thinking and trust.

In the meantime we've shut down our capital city effectively for

In last two months, since 23rd July. 7,849 cases. 32 deaths. Some of which were backdated.

Telling you, more road deaths than covid since 23 July. I havent said this in a while - open up.

Nolan’s statement is as vague as it needs to be not to be accountable for if it is not true, yet punchy enough to scare the sh1t out of people and pull them back into complying with the strategy that 6 months down the road proves is not a solution when there is no readily available vaccine.

How many is “awful” and what is the story with “might”? That is bollox not a scientific talk. They have absolutely no evidence to support the current strategy any more.

They are pursuing the vaccine strategy and the pharma boys are their cheerleaders. It seems to me that a deal with pharma is already done.

Penfailed · 23-09-2020 09:10PM

Boris Johnson had a broadcast to the nation last night in which he tried to channel Churchill. He talked about the public sticking with it for another six months. The CMO in the north was on the news this evening, "I ask for six more months commitment from you - as if your life depends on it."
Six more months...wow.

walus · 23-09-2020 09:19PM

How on earth can one dismiss an evidence based experience and results of Sweden in dealing with this virus and at the same time pursue a strategy that is based on inadequate models and lack of understanding how this virus really spreads through population? Unbelievable. This is totally against scientific methods. Madness, that is what it is.

bloopy · 23-09-2020 09:19PM

Have seen a lot of talk about Sweden lately online as well as in the media. The interview this evening with that Swedish guy on radio was especially hostile. With increasingly pointed statements being made by NPHET and the government, it kind of feels like they are losing control (only a tiny bit, mind) of the situation.
I think the muddled, at times contradictory, introduction of the 5 point plan and the resulting shutdown of the Dublin hospitality industry may prove to be the straw which breaks the camel's back.

SusieBlue · 23-09-2020 09:21PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Trying to keep Covid out of hospitals is a stupid restriction? Really?

A pregnant woman will have been in close contact with her partner, probably sharing a home and a bed.
If the hospitals are worried about the partners bringing in covid, in all likelihood, the pregnant woman is going to have it too, so what exactly is banning partners achieving?

I completely agree with banning general visitors but a woman should absolutely be allowed have her partner or another trusted person with her for appointments and scans, the duration of her labour, and to support her in the aftermath until she goes home.
No woman should have to get bad news on her own and no man should be separated from his newborn baby and partner.

Keeping men away when they usually live with their pregnant partners anyway is completely pointless and does nothing but add distress and anxiety to women who are already in a very vulnerable position.

bloopy · 23-09-2020 09:22PM

walus wrote: »

They are pursuing the vaccine strategy and the pharma boys are their cheerleaders. It seems to me that a deal with pharma is already done.

It really does feel like this is what is happening.

Double O Seven · 23-09-2020 09:24PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Boris Johnson had a broadcast to the nation last night in which he tried to channel Churchill. He talked about the public sticking with it for another six months. The CMO in the north was on the news this evening, "I ask for six more months commitment from you - as if your life depends on it."
Six more months...wow.

That fat Muppet was telling people to back to the office a couple of weeks ago.

CruelSummer · 23-09-2020 09:35PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Boris Johnson had a broadcast to the nation last night in which he tried to channel Churchill. He talked about the public sticking with it for another six months. The CMO in the north was on the news this evening, "I ask for six more months commitment from you - as if your life depends on it."
Six more months...wow.

I heard a snippet of this speech this morning. I think Boris likes to imagine himself as the modern day Churchill...if only. Churchill would never support reneging on an international treaty but that’s for another thread.
I looked up what they were proposing, it involved pubs closing at 10pm, people working in the hospitality sector to wear masks and the ‘rule of 6’ which we also have here. We’ve been doing all of that here for quite some time & if I’m not mistaken - our cases per 100,000 are higher than the U.K.
Interesting that any vaccine talk is being pushed back, and 6 month timelines being given now readily...

walus · 23-09-2020 09:36PM

6 months from now nphet will be still ‘concerned’ and trying to re-calibrate their models to predict what level or restrictions the country needs to be for the next two weeks, and Sweden will be out of the woods completely.

Assetbacked · 23-09-2020 09:36PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

'An awful lot of young people might have to die' if we were to pursue herd immunity strategy, Prof Nolan says

https://www.thejournal.ie/herd-immunity-nphet-5213262-Sep2020/

That didnt take long. Prof Nolan with Prof Ro Ro do not want to entertain Swedish ideas, or any other ideas that involve thinking and trust.

In the meantime we've shut down our capital city effectively for

In last two months, since 23rd July. 7,849 cases. 32 deaths. Some of which were backdated.

Telling you, more road deaths than covid since 23 July. I havent said this in a while - open up.

Anyone can see that the bit in bold is patently wrong. The data is all there on the HPSC reports. To claim otherwise is to essentially wear a sign that says "I don't know how to read data". Philip Nolan is a gravy train civil servant, leeching his way to the top NUI jobs. Loves his expenses. That opinion of his above is wrong and displays pure ignorance as that his argument against the herd immunity strategy - getting a vaccine is also a herd immunity strategy, ****ing gob****e!

CruelSummer · 23-09-2020 09:38PM

bloopy wrote: »

Have seen a lot of talk about Sweden lately online as well as in the media. The interview this evening with that Swedish guy on radio was especially hostile. With increasingly pointed statements being made by NPHET and the government, it kind of feels like they are losing control (only a tiny bit, mind) of the situation.
I think the muddled, at times contradictory, introduction of the 5 point plan and the resulting shutdown of the Dublin hospitality industry may prove to be the straw which breaks the camel's back.

I heard from someone that he was ‘rotten’ to the Swedish expert. How does this pass as impartial media coverage of the situation?
How do we analyse the data & provide a more balanced response if the Irish public are being fed complete lies by the likes of Tomás Ryan who stated last night on Prime Time that Covid has ‘10 times the death rate of flu’. Complete and utter lie...left to the Oxford professor to call him out.

MadYaker · 23-09-2020 09:42PM

UK, Spain, France and Germany also considering more restrictions now. Very odd to see all these countries making the exact same mistakes as us. If only they had some of the geniuses in this thread to advise them. Have any if you applied to NPHET yet? Wasn’t there a guy in this thread claiming he lost his job? Surely they’d take him.

JRant · 23-09-2020 09:42PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I think he's probably well intentioned but he can't see beyond his own field.

Also I think the job is maybe too much for him (a bit like Cowen after Bertie) and the fact that the Government is delegating almost all of the decisions to him and his colleagues isn't helping matters.

He said in today's briefings that he doesn't care if some industries are decimated. His main role is to be "very concerned" 24/7 with no thought given to the economy. In fairness to him, he's right, the government need to be stronger and have a clear plan on how we get on getting on.

Penfailed · 23-09-2020 09:44PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

what exactly is banning partners achieving?

Limiting contacts. It's pretty obvious. It's the entire rational behind the restrictions. The last place you want Covid spreading, other than a nursing home, is a hospital.

Assetbacked · 23-09-2020 09:45PM

MadYaker wrote: »

UK, Spain, France and Germany also considering more restrictions now. Very odd to see all these countries making the exact same mistakes as us. If only they had some of the geniuses in this thread to advise them. Have any if you applied to NPHET yet? Wasn’t there a guy in this thread claiming he lost his job? Surely they’d take him.

You do know they have had bars, restaurants and schools etc open for the last few months so the potential restrictions are in this context, not the Irish context where we abandoned any foreign tourism drive over the summer and have had pubs and schools closed for 6 months.

NPHET are not needed, they offer nothing at this stage other than a target for spineless politicians afraid of accountability to blame. Although, you're right, it is some gig being a politician or part of NPHET or the public sector in general at the moment.

MadYaker · 23-09-2020 09:53PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

You do know they have had bars, restaurants and schools etc open for the last few months so the potential restrictions are in this context, not the Irish context where we abandoned any foreign tourism drive over the summer and have had pubs and schools closed for 6 months.

NPHET are not needed, they offer nothing at this stage other than a target for spineless politicians afraid of accountability to blame. Although, you're right, it is some gig being a politician or part of NPHET or the public sector in general at the moment.

First paragraph is wrong. All pubs were not closed for 6 months here. Schools only went back in Europe towards the end of the summer. They also rndured much stricter lockdowns than we ever dif. This is why nobody takes this thread seriously. People posting here can’t even get basic facts right.

What politicians have you seen blaming NPHET? NPHET aren’t making the decisions. If they were Dublin would be on level 4 and the rest of us would be on level 3.

walus · 23-09-2020 09:56PM

MadYaker wrote: »

UK, Spain, France and Germany also considering more restrictions now. Very odd to see all these countries making the exact same mistakes as us. If only they had some of the geniuses in this thread to advise them. Have any if you applied to NPHET yet? Wasn’t there a guy in this thread claiming he lost his job? Surely they’d take him.

Could you be more specific? What restrictions, in which country?

Fakediamond · 23-09-2020 09:59PM

I accept that there is a growing unease about the restrictions but I wonder are we prepared for the apocalyptic scenes that we saw coming out of Italy at the beginning of the pandemic? They were better equipped than us, with 12 ICU beds per 100,000 of population. We have 5 ICU beds per 100,000 of population, hence the worry about being overwhelmed. A friend, who is an ICU nurse in Madrid, says that of 500 ICU beds there, 400 have COVID patients in them at the moment. In New York, if you remember back, people died of COVID in the queues outside the hospitals.

So these are the stark choices, live freely and risk serious illness and death, get a proper track and trace system, with people using it honestly, or stay locked down for months. I will continue to live a restricted life, as I have an underlying condition and hope to live in reasonable health for another few years.

I would hate to be presiding over decisions that are affecting so many people in so many ways. It’s an unenviable task, not helped by all the competing interests clamouring to be heard.,

SusieBlue · 23-09-2020 10:12PM

Fakediamond wrote: »

I accept that there is a growing unease about the restrictions but I wonder are we prepared for the apocalyptic scenes that we saw coming out of Italy at the beginning of the pandemic? They were better equipped than us, with 12 ICU beds per 100,000 of population. We have 5 ICU beds per 100,000 of population, hence the worry about being overwhelmed. A friend, who is an ICU nurse in Madrid, says that of 500 ICU beds there, 400 have COVID patients in them at the moment. In New York, if you remember back, people died of COVID in the queues outside the hospitals.

So these are the stark choices, live freely and risk serious illness and death, get a proper track and trace system, with people using it honestly, or stay locked down for months. I will continue to live a restricted life, as I have an underlying condition and hope to live in reasonable health for another few years.

I would hate to be presiding over decisions that are affecting so many people in so many ways. It’s an unenviable task, not helped by all the competing interests clamouring to be heard.,

Italy’s mistake was that they tried to save everyone.
And by that, I mean that at the very beginning of their surge they put people on ventilators and into ICU who had no hope of recovery, who were likely very elderly and and probably had many underlying conditions as well.
As well as that the area of Italy that was first and hardest hit was an extremely densely populated area with one of the oldest populations in the world.

This meant that as demand grew, there wasn’t enough ventilators to go around, which meant they had to make those awful hard decisions about taking someone off a ventilator to give it to another younger, healthier person.
It wasn’t their fault, they were the first European country to be hit hard but that’s why their health system all but collapsed.
If we had been hit first I imagine we would have done a much worse job than what they did.

You only need to look at our hospitalisations vs ICU cases with overall deaths in mind to see that even though our hospitals were thankfully never overwhelmed, not everyone who was admitted was put in ICU and not everyone was ventilated.
Almost all people who died from the virus here passed away in nursing/care homes and on general covid wards, these people weren’t even deemed well enough to be ventilated and put through ICU, which is a trauma in itself. We were and are only putting people through that if they have a chance of recovering.

So that’s why Italy’s hospitalisations were so high and why their health system buckled, and we were all able to learn from their mistakes.
I don’t believe we’d see similar scenes here even if cases surged to an all time high. Overall our hospitalisation levels have been quite low, and deaths even lower.

FintanMcluskey · 23-09-2020 10:13PM

Fakediamond wrote: »

I accept that there is a growing unease about the restrictions but I wonder are we prepared for the apocalyptic scenes that we saw coming out of Italy at the beginning of the pandemic? They were better equipped than us, with 12 ICU beds per 100,000 of population. We have 5 ICU beds per 100,000 of population, hence the worry about being overwhelmed. ,

Italy's problem was, and still is, its incredibly old population.

Ireland has a natural defense in that it has one of Europes youngest population's.

No amount of ICU beds will prevent what was seen in Italy, the mechanics of the virus means its disproportionately effects the elderly.

Captain_Crash · 23-09-2020 10:17PM

Fakediamond wrote: »

I accept that there is a growing unease about the restrictions but I wonder are we prepared for the apocalyptic scenes that we saw coming out of Italy at the beginning of the pandemic?

I’ll admit... no I don’t think we’re prepared for the scenes we saw in Italy at all no!

But I’ll nail my colours to the mast, we will not see those scenes here. The virus has already run trough the most vulnerable in society and any future deaths will be minimal. Society as a whole knows a lot more than anyone did in Feb/Mar and our demographic doesn’t come close to that region of Italy.

The lack of ICU beds is a damp squib IMO. Most of the dead here were so sick to begin with they bypassed ICU altogether.

We’re going to see a few more deaths before the end of the year but the worst has long since passed and our daily death rate looks like binary code, which to me is good news!

23-09-2020 10:25PM

MadYaker wrote: »

First paragraph is wrong. All pubs were not closed for 6 months here. Schools only went back in Europe towards the end of the summer. They also rndured much stricter lockdowns than we ever dif. This is why nobody takes this thread seriously. People posting here can’t even get basic facts right.

What politicians have you seen blaming NPHET? NPHET aren’t making the decisions. If they were Dublin would be on level 4 and the rest of us would be on level 3.

Is your job/salary impacted by any chance?

23-09-2020 10:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Is your job/salary impacted by any chance?

Would you ever stop spamming the thread with that question over and over.

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