Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

JRant · 22-09-2020 11:25PM

froog wrote: »

Let me know what offies you get your pints in, they sound great.

A can of Guinness into a pint glass, while not quite the same as the real thing would get you out of a hole if stuck.

22-09-2020 11:26PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

The nastiness was not just ..that ..it was pure bullying that went on by posters for 3 or 4 pages

The topic is about restrictions, we should try stick to it.

You said many people are affected by restrictions in many ways.

Has your own job or salary been impacted at all?

It can be very easy to be pro restrictions if you have a secure job and the bank are not calling for mortgage payments.

LessOutragePlz · 22-09-2020 11:26PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

The nastiness was not just ..that ..it was pure bullying that went on by posters for 3 or 4 pages

I don't think there was any bullying going on, people just need to able to provide some form of evidence for their reasoning and if they don't then they will justifiably be called out on their point of view if they can't back it up with any evidence.

This is the relaxation of restrictions thread so naturally the discussion is going to revolve around exactly that, no one is shutting down a debate about whether or not they should or shouldn't be relaxed just certain posters are being called out on their opinions that have no basis in reality at all.

alentejo · 22-09-2020 11:26PM

Dublin must have the most restrictions in Europe? Is there any where else with such restrictions other than Israel?

JRant · 22-09-2020 11:33PM

alentejo wrote: »

Dublin must have the most restrictions in Europe? Is there any where else with such restrictions other than Israel?

Australia has some of the most draconian measures in place. They've just applied their immigration rules to their own citizens.

Birdie Num Num · 22-09-2020 11:34PM

Great to see the word restrictions used in the last 3 posts. Not a mention of lockdown just like in the thread title.

Rodin · 22-09-2020 11:36PM

JRant wrote: »

Australia has some of the most draconian measures in place. They've just applied their immigration rules to their own citizens.

Nothing wrong with that.

froog · 22-09-2020 11:37PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Off licenses don't sell beer/alcohol, since when?

They don't serve pints. Am i actually having this argument?

Goldengirl · 22-09-2020 11:38PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Did anyone say the hoped another poster got it and thought back on their posts as they struggled for breath on a ventilator?

I don't know , did they ??

Plumbthedepths · 22-09-2020 11:41PM

froog wrote: »

They don't serve pints. Am i actually having this argument?

The SuperValu I pass on the way home sells Pint bottles of Cider / Pint cans of beer. The point is alcohol was never restricted since the start of this yet posters have tried repeatedly to close down conversation by saying 'you only want a pint' .What if the poster they are responding to only drinks G& T.
It's a stupid dismissive comment used by those who are unable to defend their position.
No argument from me just pointing my view of how stupid the 'pints' putdown is.

froog · 22-09-2020 11:48PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The SuperValu I pass on the way home sells Pint bottles of Cider / Pint cans of beer. The point is alcohol was never restricted since the start of this yet posters have tried repeatedly to close down conversation by saying 'you only want a pint' .What if the poster they are responding to only drinks G& T.
It's a stupid dismissive comment used by those who are unable to defend their position.
No argument from me just pointing my view of how stupid the 'pints' putdown is.

Would it make it easier for you to understand if i said people miss going to the pub?

Plumbthedepths · 23-09-2020 12:10AM

froog wrote: »

Would it make it easier for you to understand if i said people miss going to the pub?[/quote
I understand perfectly and my opinion is it's a lazy comment when unable to debate.

deathbomber · 23-09-2020 12:14AM

froog wrote: »

Would it make it easier for you to understand if i said people miss going to the pub?

the restrictions are forward thinking, they are concerned for people(all ages) getting a double infection i.e covid and.....another dose. Age won't matter in this scenario! I believe it best to lift restrictions, however boozers etc should be a no go and the young adults/teenagers need to start getting their act together, which will happen when some pass away etc

MadYaker · 23-09-2020 12:46AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I don't think there was any bullying going on, people just need to able to provide some form of evidence for their reasoning and if they don't then they will justifiably be called out on their point of view if they can't back it up with any evidence.

This is the relaxation of restrictions thread so naturally the discussion is going to revolve around exactly that, no one is shutting down a debate about whether or not they should or shouldn't be relaxed just certain posters are being called out on their opinions that have no basis in reality at all.

Absolutely hysterical to see you posting about opinions based on evidence and reasoning. I've provided tonnes of it in this thread and it is ignored or dismissed with limp jokes.

gozunda · 23-09-2020 02:38AM

JRant wrote: »

But that is exactly what she was arguing for. Not the one size fits all restriction model so many countries are implementing. Also, it shouldn't be forgotten that many of the Western countries shutting down their economies not only has adverse effects of their own country but is devastating to many emerging countries that rely heavily on manufacturing cheap goods/clothes.

Ryan wants to shut everything down for a "short" period of time to suppress the virus and then in the next breath says we should follow South Korea and Taiwan (countries that didn't lockdown at all) without a hint of irony.

Thats the thing - Countries aren't applying a one size fits all. Every EU country has had different types of restictions at different times and nearly all of them have seen restrictions lifted as infection rstes went down. India has has certainly had its own large-scale lockdown and restrictions. South Africa ditto. Ryan was arguing that having the disease run ramphant potentialy has greater ecomonic impacts across the board. He referred to S. Korea etc as a country who have succeded in keeping a lid on it but obviously without massive deployment of their social & technological controls thats not going to happen. Btw I'm not arguing for that one way or another. Thats what was detailed or close to it afaik.

Stormyteacup · 23-09-2020 06:33AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/let-coronavirus-spread-through-under-60-population-dáil-committee-told-1.4361858?mode=amp

Finally some sense being discussed with Covid Special Committee.

Whether it will go any further than special committee or not - who knows, my optimism is running on empty.

Penfailed · 23-09-2020 06:42AM

JRant wrote: »

A can of Guinness into a pint glass, while not quite the same as the real thing would get you out of a hole if stuck.

Exactly - it's not quite the same thing.

Happydays2020 · 23-09-2020 06:48AM

froog wrote: »

Would it make it easier for you to understand if i said people miss going to the pub?

Many people also miss the option of going to a pub? It is sense of freedom. If I did go to a pub (a couple of times a month maybe) I usually did have a pint and I miss that possibility.

walus · 23-09-2020 07:17AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/let-coronavirus-spread-through-under-60-population-dáil-committee-told-1.4361858?mode=amp

Finally some sense being discussed with Covid Special Committee.

Whether it will go any further than special committee or not - who knows, my optimism is running on empty.

That looks promising. Never too late to change the strategy. Especially that the current one will not work going forward - poor compliance.

JRant · 23-09-2020 07:19AM

gozunda wrote: »

Thats the thing - Countries aren't applying a one size fits all. Every EU country has had different types of restictions at different times and nearly all of them have seen restrictions lifted as infection rstes went down. India has has certainly had its own large-scale lockdown and restrictions. South Africa ditto. Ryan was arguing that having the disease run ramphant potentialy has greater ecomonic impacts across the board. He referred to S. Korea etc as a country who have succeded in keeping a lid on it but obviously without massive deployment of their social & technological controls thats not going to happen. Btw I'm not arguing for that one way or another. Thats what was detailed or close to it afaik.

A large number of countries implemented strict lockdowns. That's never happened before. In the very short term they seemed to have worked in suppressing the numbers but medium to long term they are a disaster with constant rolling restrictions/lockdowns once the initial lockdown is released. They are an incredibly blunt instrument and should only be used when absolutely necessary. Ryan suggesting we go into another "short-term" lockdown to get cases (not deaths) under control shows a complete lack of empathy for the 100's of thousands who have been severely affected by them and will only bring us back to the exact same position we are in now.

patnor1011 · 23-09-2020 07:20AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Same argument, different day. None those are highly infectious virus'.

Sure. Take flu which is not that infectious and still kills more people every year.

patnor1011 · 23-09-2020 07:27AM

MadYaker wrote: »

2500 dead per day, but it's not a deadly pandemic :pac: this thread is hilarious.

What's your definition of deadly?

160,000 of people die every day. 2,500 a day equal 1,56%

The only deadly thing here is that it is affecting brain capacity of quite a lot of people making them deadly scared.

deathbomber · 23-09-2020 07:29AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/let-coronavirus-spread-through-under-60-population-dáil-committee-told-1.4361858?mode=amp

Finally some sense being discussed with Covid Special Committee.

Whether it will go any further than special committee or not - who knows, my optimism is running on empty.

i would be skeptical for 2 reasons, wrong time of year to do it, we are approaching the time of year where people are feeling run down and the immune system is struggling and obviously infections rise, i honestly wouldn't like to get covid with another dose.
Anti-bodies etc - no definitive clarity on whether they protect, personally i think they do, indeed we have been tested and we have very high levels, which in a way eases me but i can tell you this, some people are struggling to shake off symptoms 6 months later

Obviously more knowledge (treatment etc)is out there now but i cannot reiterate the threat of a double infection, i hope i am wrong, but i have little doubt if people (all ages) do get a double infection, they are in for a very rough 2 weeks

patnor1011 · 23-09-2020 07:33AM

froog wrote: »

Swedens deaths per million of population is 580.
Irelands is 362.

Sweden's unemployment rate january 7,2% august 9,1%
Ireland's unemployment rate january 4,9% august 15,4%

Happydays2020 · 23-09-2020 07:37AM

JRant wrote: »

A large number of countries implemented strict lockdowns. That's never happened before. In the very short term they seemed to have worked in suppressing the numbers but medium to long term they are a disaster with constant rolling restrictions/lockdowns once the initial lockdown is released. They are an incredibly blunt instrument and should only be used when absolutely necessary. Ryan suggesting we go into another "short-term" lockdown to get cases (not deaths) under control shows a complete lack of empathy for the 100's of thousands who have been severely affected by them and will only bring us back to the exact same position we are in now.

I thought Ryan was the main man and a hero?

FintanMcluskey · 23-09-2020 07:40AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I think it is pretty unfair that people here gang up on posters who don't agree with the herd mentality here .... constantly.

Spare me the faux outrage love.

Over in the main thread you and your cohorts will be found stalking the pages to form a guerilla ambush on anyone who doesn't agree with the narrative that we are blessed with luck that 100k havent died in Ireland.

"Herd mentality here"

Hyprocracy is alive and well thats for sure

zerosugarbuzz · 23-09-2020 07:45AM

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

Great to see the word restrictions used in the last 3 posts. Not a mention of lockdown just like in the thread title.

What are you some PR guru or a schoolteacher?

Assetbacked · 23-09-2020 07:47AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/let-coronavirus-spread-through-under-60-population-dáil-committee-told-1.4361858?mode=amp

Finally some sense being discussed with Covid Special Committee.

Whether it will go any further than special committee or not - who knows, my optimism is running on empty.

Funny that, the armchair pundits in this thread have, for months, been saying that we should be doing this. Since lockdown ended in fact the focus should have been on better consideration for and practices around the vulnerable as this is a negligible virus for the under 65s. Now the government are entertaining this idea. It is pretty shambolic to still have NPHET and dismaying at what sort of government decision makers we have when we can call it from our armchairs.

Slow and steady herd immunity strategy for the under 65s (ie those of economically productive age), noting there is no guarantee of a vaccine. Under 65 doomers can lock themselves down if they want. Then for the over 65s, guidance more tailored around them and how they and others around them should behave (ie social distancing, no hand shaking, immune system building advice, designated hours in supermarkets, and other types of accommodations in businesses).

And to add, even based on recent cases and deaths, since lockdown ended in May (4 months ago), we are still on track for around 680 deaths "with" covid in the year to May 2021. Imagine we are still heavily restricting society and destroying the economy for something with that death rate.

zerosugarbuzz · 23-09-2020 07:47AM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/let-coronavirus-spread-through-under-60-population-dáil-committee-told-1.4361858?mode=amp

Finally some sense being discussed with Covid Special Committee.

Whether it will go any further than special committee or not - who knows, my optimism is running on empty.

Hallelujah, finally some sense. Should have been done from the beginning. And for those of you saying it’s the wrong time of the year, the beginning could have been anytime like last November.

patnor1011 · 23-09-2020 07:55AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I think it is pretty unfair that people here gang up on posters who don't agree with the herd mentality here .... constantly.

You must be joking now. Since this thread and main covid thread started up until fairly recently this merry band of covid doomers bashed anyone who said it is not that bad with a vengence.
People whose opinion even slightly different from initial scare based on nonsensical models were called covidiots, deniers, antivaxxers and granny killers.
Now that most of the people abandoned wildfire-spreading-deadly-disease-requiring-perpetual-lockdown narrative he and about two-three others only get back what they were dishing out daily.
I say he is just getting a taste of his own medicine.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings