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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Better testing compared to Match, in general younger people getting infected and a lag at the moment. Better treatment and care also.

    Nothing about the virus has changed if that's what you are implying

    The virus has not changed but someone made a good point earlier about viral load and how masks may be helping in this.

    On a related point any recent updates on whether catching the virus confers immunity and if so for how long?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Better testing compared to Match, in general younger people getting infected and a lag at the moment. Better treatment and care also.

    Nothing about the virus has changed if that's what you are implying




    I know all that but somehow it still surprises me :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Gradius


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Numbers have not been high for 6 to 8 weeks. Why are people making such spurious nonsense claims? What little kick do you get when you post such drivel?

    I'm seeing a growing trend in unbelievable stuff. Even people saying that this virus doesn't exist, that it's a hoax.

    This isn't something to dismiss. The lack of clarity and effective leadership to cure this problem, not simply "treat" it, is rapidly turning people to more convenient answers, no matter how mad.

    The powers that be are losing grip on this situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,161 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Better testing compared to Match, in general younger people getting infected and a lag at the moment. Better treatment and care also.

    Nothing about the virus has changed if that's what you are implying

    It’s simply down to the demographic of people,e getting it. Younger and healthy people are much more likely to make a recovery and not need an ICU bed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭xabi


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Population of Dublin is a lot more than 2.5 times Cork . Closer to 9 times !

    Nonsense


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    Early days this week yet but good news to get less cases from more tests.

    Monday and Tuesday last week 565 reported cases from 18,008 tests carried out.

    Yesterday and today 522 cases from 22,490 tests carried out.

    Great post. This is very telling data, we are testing massively more at the moment.

    We should be optimistic.

    I think we need a more nuanced approach, you cannot just go gung ho and shut down majority of hospitality in any county

    We need to keep the show on the road and allow for such premises to work in restricted hours in very covid secure way.

    Really no reason for the hatchet job on hospitality in Dublin last week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,149 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Report on the ICU, Need to scroll down to get to the story

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0922/1166739-covid19-ireland/

    Concern' for Irish ICUs

    Meanwhile, the President of the Intensive Care Society in Ireland has said "the concern is real" for Ireland's Intensive Care Units.

    Speaking on the same programme, Consultant and Director of Critical Care at Dublin's Mater Hospital Dr Colman O'Loughlin said the foundation for the concern is whether the surge in Covid-19 that Ireland is experiencing at the moment grows similar to that seen in March and April of this year.

    He said there are 16 patients in ICU today in Ireland, of which seven are outside of Dublin, "so this is a national problem", he added.

    The day-to-day rate of ICU admissions is being closely monitored Dr O'Loughlin said, and a rise of 300-400 cases per day "is a worry".

    Dr O'Loughlin said back in the first phase of Covid-19 cases, all other services were shut down while staff and resources were redeployed to ICU and to keep emergency services running.

    "That can't happen now," he said.

    "We have an obligation to care for all patients, not just Covid positive patients.

    "We have active chemotherapy patients, critical patients with cardiovascular disease. We need to run parallel systems. Back in the first phase we had a successful outcome from ICU, with a 20% mortality rate which compares very positive nationally. But now there is a whole new level of problem, trying to run both services is very difficult."



    There are currently 282 ICU beds in use in Ireland today, Dr O'Loughlin said, which is above the 270 baseline number in use. He said he hopes the €600m winter fund will address this.

    He said: "We haven't gone a long way in increasing the baseline ICU capacity, and that is a concern."

    It takes a significant amount of time and resources to "switch on" or establish an ICU bed, Dr O'Loughlin said.

    He explained that it can take up to a year to train a nurse for the level of specialist care that is required.

    Ireland adheres to a 1:1 ICU nurse ratio, so every ICU patient has a dedicated nurse, in line with international standards.

    "It takes 5.6 nurses to open up one ICU bed. It isn't easy or cheap. It takes a long time to do it right. They are probably one of the most in-demand professions in the world right now. It is a huge challenge, so funding goes a long way."

    Dr O'Loughlin said the measures taken to mitigate against the spread of Covid-19, together with uptake in the flu vaccine, will also help to stop the spread of influenza as we enter the flu season.

    He said Ireland looks to the flu season in the southern hemisphere to try to predict how the flu virus may play out here.

    "We can see from data in Australia that so far it has been a mild flu season. It doesn't always translate, but it often follows on."

    HPSC figures yesterday showed that there were 280 adult intensive care beds open and staffed in the system, for Covid-19 and non-Covid care.

    There were also 30 ICU beds for children open and staffed. The system had 45 adult ICU and eight paediatric beds vacant for care.

    In mid-April, the hospital system had 415 ICU beds open and staffed.

    Extra ICU beds are expected to be provided for in the new HSE winter plan due to be published this week.

    The number of people being treated in hospitals for Covid-19 has risen further to 94, compared to 90 yesterday.

    Of those cases, 16 patients are receiving treatment in intensive care units, down one from yesterday.

    The latest figures show that while 10 people had been discharged from hospital over the last 24 hours, there were also 14 new admissions.

    On this day last week, there were 65 people in hospital with the virus, of which 13 were in ICU.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Gradius


    If everyone does their bit it helps stop the spread until we have a definite solution- hopefully a vaccine.

    The government are far from perfect but are doing their best IMHO

    It is a hard balancing act to save people from Covid but at the same time keeping the rest of the health and mental health needs on track and economy going.

    But that's the real problem. There is no guarantee of a vaccine, and it really feels like governments are basing plans on that.

    Not to mention that even IF a vaccine is created, the uptake is going to be ineffective.

    The conspiracies are flying and the longer this is dragged on the lower the number who will trust a vaccine.

    It's time to start planning on reality right now, and not on contingency. It's a small window of opportunity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Gradius wrote: »
    I'm seeing a growing trend in unbelievable stuff. Even people saying that this virus doesn't exist, that it's a hoax.

    This isn't something to dismiss. The lack of clarity and effective leadership to cure this problem, not simply "treat" it, is rapidly turning people to more convenient answers, no matter how mad.

    The powers that be are losing grip on this situation.

    Where I work most of the Sinn Fein voters are rabbiting on about this ****e. Should be an minimum IQ level to be able to vote


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Gradius wrote: »
    I'm seeing a growing trend in unbelievable stuff. Even people saying that this virus doesn't exist, that it's a hoax.

    This isn't something to dismiss. The lack of clarity and effective leadership to cure this problem, not simply "treat" it, is rapidly turning people to more convenient answers, no matter how mad.

    The powers that be are losing grip on this situation.

    You keep mentioning end goal and now cure the problem, what do suggest then rather than giving out about it, herd immunity?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,917 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Where I work most of the Sinn Fein voters are rabbiting on about this ****e. Should be an minimum IQ level to be able to vote

    What does Sinn Fein have to do with anything?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 875 ✭✭✭mean gene


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Population of Dublin is a lot more than 2.5 times Cork . Closer to 9 times !

    dublins over 1.5 cork is over .5 do us a a favour there and see if you can make out the ratio use a calculator there if you want :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,981 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    spookwoman wrote: »
    density 2016 census (cases) (population)
    cork 72.3 (1807) (542,868)
    Meath 83.2 (983) (195,044)
    Kildare 131 (2468) (222,504)
    Louth 155.4 (975) (128,884)
    Dublin 1459.2 (15,717) (1,347,359)

    Ha , that's why I'm not a numbers gal , thanks ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,981 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    That is irrelevant as counts are for counties.

    Even so the ratio is still close to 2.5


    554000 v 212000 by city.

    Yes, yes , I'm wrong and you are all right ..in this ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Gradius


    Where I work most of the Sinn Fein voters are rabbiting on about this ****e. Should be an minimum IQ level to be able to vote

    This is what happens when presented with unclear leadership.

    If you create a vacuum of "what's the point of this?", It will be filled with whatever sounds good instead. No such thing as a virus? Great, at least that has an actionable outcome, like protesting.

    Simply dying slowly as a country with neverending lockdowns is not inspiring or hopeful. It's aimless.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Gradius wrote: »
    But that's the real problem. There is no guarantee of a vaccine, and it really feels like governments are basing plans on that.

    Not to mention that even IF a vaccine is created, the uptake is going to be ineffective.

    The conspiracies are flying and the longer this is dragged on the lower the number who will trust a vaccine.

    It's time to start planning on reality right now, and not on contingency. It's a small window of opportunity.


    We don't know the outcome so overthinking it will cause more stress for you.

    The point I was trying to make was that we will just have to relax and do what is in our control i.e wearing masks etc and being sensible without going to the extreme with that either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,981 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Cork is like Sweden, large pop but also large area.

    Yes largest county .
    Anyone good at Geography ?
    Is Dublin the smallest county area wise?
    All those people squished together instead of Spaced Out in Cork!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,264 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    We don't know the outcome so overthinking it will cause more stress for you.

    The point I was trying to make was that we will just have to relax and do what is in our control i.e wearing masks etc and being sensible without going to the extreme with that either.

    That won't do much good for all those who have unnecessarily lost their jobs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Population of Dublin is a lot more than 2.5 times Cork . Closer to 9 times !

    What country do you live it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Gradius


    petes wrote: »
    You keep mentioning end goal and now cure the problem, what do suggest then rather than giving out about it, herd immunity?

    It is useful to point out that the current strategy is doomed. Not maybe doomed, 100% doomed.

    Another strategy is necessary. Those effective strategies were made available to governments years ago. It's the politics that are standing in the way.

    We have a biological problem. It won't be fixed with politically motivated solutions.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes largest county .
    Anyone good at Geography ?
    Is Dublin the smallest county area wise?
    All those people squished together instead of Spaced Out in Cork!

    Dublin is 3rd smallest after Louth and Carlow

    Cork largest, take 3 hours to drive from Youghal to Lambs Head to get the cable car out to Dursey Is

    Thats East West

    North South is nearly 3 hours too.

    Mizen Hd to Charleville.

    Christ you'd be nearly in Belfast


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Gradius wrote: »
    It is useful to point out that the current strategy is doomed. Not maybe doomed, 100% doomed.

    Another strategy is necessary. Those effective strategies were made available to governments years ago. It's the politics that are standing in the way.

    We have a biological problem. It won't be fixed with politically motivated solutions.

    What is your proposal?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,981 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    mean gene wrote: »
    dublins over 1.5 cork is over .5 do us a a favour there and see if you can make out the ratio use a calculator there if you want :rolleyes:

    Ok . Have you anything else to contribute?
    I was comparing cities and as other posters who I trust for their good sense have pointed out that was incorrect here.
    You are just living up to your name with this ...post .


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes largest county .
    Anyone good at Geography ?
    Is Dublin the smallest county area wise?
    All those people squished together instead of Spaced Out in Cork!

    That would be Louth if I`m not mistaken.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Gradius


    What is your proposal?

    Thousands of pages of simulation, direction and strategy are in the hands of every government, made by people who predicted accurately every step of this pandemic before it even existed.

    But it isn't politically expedient so it remains ignored.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,675 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You don't need to be a psychiatrist to know socialisation is good for children. As for projecting fear, I have seen many of your comments. If there was no fear in your house you wouldn't be homeschooling your children till a vaccine is found. You said this. The thing about common sense it's not that common. Take care.
    Obviously socialisation is important for kids but they won't be scarred for life by missing a few months with their schoolmates. We have at least one playdate every week with another family who are keeping their kids at him.
    Before they went back to school we had lots of playdates with kids from families who were staying safe.
    There's no fear here, just being careful. I have lots of reasons to stay safe besides my kids including my extremely high risk other half.
    All my decisions are made using math and preparing for the future as well as the present. I don't have to sit down and do math, it's just my natural way of reasoning through issues.

    I read everything I can get my hands on as regards covid-19. There's lots of stuff that doesn't make sense, there's lots of stuff written a certain way to try and get the reader to think a certain way as in there is an agenda with much of it.

    Just as an example there's people going through age groups trying to make arguments that primary schools are safe by comparing infections with other age groups. What are they leaving out? They are leaving out that there's lots of families that will have kids in crèche, primary and secondary schools.


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Akabusi wrote: »
    Just looking at that choir video, there seems to be about 25 in the room with a couple wearing masks. I wonder if those that wore the mask didn't become infected?

    Love to hear the figures on that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,908 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes largest county .
    Anyone good at Geography ?
    Is Dublin the smallest county area wise?
    All those people squished together instead of Spaced Out in Cork!

    I think Louth is the smallest county.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Goldrickssan


    Lads what the **** is this obsession with Cork about


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Gradius wrote: »
    Thousands of pages of simulation, direction and strategy are in the hands of every government, made by people who predicted accurately every step of this pandemic before it even existed.

    But it isn't politically expedient so it remains ignored.

    Ah great, we have another who won't answer a direct question.

    Again, what is your suggestion/proposal rather than withering on about politics?


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