Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Funsterdelux · 22-09-2020 10:38AM

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

I was in Lidl Stillorgan early this morning. Woman shopping not wearing a mask. Normally there is some sort of security on the door. Not today.
The woman was feasting on tasties from the bread/cake section as she walked around the shop. I am sure she paid for them when she got to the checkout though......

Maybe she was using the baked goods as a mask

Asylum15 · 22-09-2020 10:39AM

Again referring back to the long term effects of the virus, seen a few posts from people who've recovered as far back as March/April and still have numerous symptoms, fatigue, tingles etc.

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (understudied) seems to be a side effect of it.

Not deadly or fatal but something like the above can certainly alter life quality.

Allinall · 22-09-2020 10:40AM

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

I was in Lidl Stillorgan early this morning. Woman shopping not wearing a mask. Normally there is some sort of security on the door. Not today.
The woman was feasting on tasties from the bread/cake section as she walked around the shop. I am sure she paid for them when she got to the checkout though......

Why wouldn’t she pay for them?

Boggles · 22-09-2020 10:42AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well the Oxford University Press on behalf of the Journal for Public Health accepted it for publication

Oxford University employs Professor Sunetra Gupta who claims we have reached herd immunity - just cause.

What's your point?

Hector Savage · 22-09-2020 10:43AM

Knine wrote: »

Unless the young person has underlying issues. My 12 year old ended up in hospital! For some children it might be a very big deal

Indeed some, but we need to look at the big picture here, Guardian are just jumping at anything the big bad orange bufoon says ... they need to give it a rest.

The US would be in the same position whoever was president.

Oranage2 · 22-09-2020 10:43AM

Hindsight is 20/20 but we make some key mistakes after lockdown, when we knew about the meat factories and provision centres we should have had continued the lockdown for another month. Then when cases continued to increase rapidly we shouldn't have opened the schools. Now it's going to be impossible to to have people reply with restrictions without a heavy hand from the Gardai.

We also should have had tighter restrictions on air travel.

Charles Babbage · 22-09-2020 10:46AM

Allinall wrote: »

Why wouldn’t she pay for them?

Why wouldn't she wear a mask?

John O.Groats · 22-09-2020 10:47AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Maybe she was using the baked goods as a mask

More likely she is just a moron.

fly_agaric · 22-09-2020 10:47AM

Drumpot wrote: »

I’m curious as to how much cultural traits are playing a role in the spread.

...

People selectively point at other countries who have better numbers but I don’t see people discussing why these countries strategy works better. What works in one country may not in another for a multitude of reasons.

Yes, the methods being used in some Asian countries that have acheived better control of the virus have been deemed off limits for discussion & impossible in Europe/US.

I'm unsure that the people are just "naturally" more willing to stick to rules given human nature.

The governments are far more authoritarian and will strictly enforce what are just guidelines/suggestions here, as well as being able to take harsher measures (restricting travel & enforcing quarantines or tests etc.) that will not be accepted here.

The public sectors are I'd say larger/stronger than in the West and capable of enforcing their restrictions.

The governments make fewer promises about citizen's privacy and will invade it at will when it comes to doing contact tracing to track the virus or providing very granular information about where the virus is spreading etc.

Allinall · 22-09-2020 10:47AM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Why wouldn't she wear a mask?

Perhaps she had a medical exemption?

the corpo · 22-09-2020 10:48AM

Asylum15 wrote: »

Again referring back to the long term effects of the virus, seen a few posts from people who've recovered as far back as March/April and still have numerous symptoms, fatigue, tingles etc.

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (understudied) seems to be a side effect of it.

Not deadly or fatal but something like the above can certainly alter life quality.

A friends wife got it in March, has relapsed and been back in A+E 3 times since, primary symptom is extreme weakness, to a point where she can't even speak. He keeps pleading with people to just try not to catch the damned thing.

crossman47 · 22-09-2020 10:49AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Hindsight is 20/20 but we make some key mistakes after lockdown, when we knew about the meat factories and provision centres we should have had continued the lockdown for another month. Then when cases continued to increase rapidly we shouldn't have opened the schools. Now it's going to be impossible to to have people reply with restrictions without a heavy hand from the Gardai.

We also should have had tighter restrictions on air travel.

Look people are just not taking it seriously. I was walking near my local N.S. this morning. The parents all wore masks as they queued with children. But once they came out, the masks came off and there were groups of parents (mainly mothers) chatting at close quarters. I don't think they're being malicious, they just don't think.

Paddygreen · 22-09-2020 10:53AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Hindsight is 20/20 but we make some key mistakes after lockdown, when we knew about the meat factories and provision centres we should have had continued the lockdown for another month. Then when cases continued to increase rapidly we shouldn't have opened the schools. Now it's going to be impossible to to have people reply with restrictions without a heavy hand from the Gardai.

We also should have had tighter restrictions on air travel.

The police in Melbourne have done a great job so far keeping people in line, getting them to obey the rules. Our Gardaí need to know that they can take dissenters down.

Funsterdelux · 22-09-2020 10:55AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Indeed some, but we need to look at the big picture here, Guardian are just jumping at anything the big bad orange bufoon says ... they need to give it a rest.

The US would be in the same position whoever was president.

Take it up with Guardian then, unless maybe one of us posters here are one of their editors?

Boggles · 22-09-2020 10:55AM

Paddygreen wrote: »

The police in Melbourne have done a great job so far keeping people in line, getting them to obey the rules. Our Gardaí need to know that they can take dissenters down.

YAWN!

alentejo · 22-09-2020 10:55AM

From observations, most people (95+) are fully heeding with the restrictions of masks and 2m etc

You will always have a minority whom will not.

My own view is that this wave will not be as bad as the first one. 95% of people will be less likely to catch it (however some will defo catch it).

I think the daily maximum of cases per day will be 450 (as opposed to 700+) back in late April.

While elderly people will be hospitalised (as well as young people), the majority of people who get infected will be better able to fight off the virus. The second wave which is among us will not be as bad as the first wave!

22-09-2020 10:55AM

Boggles wrote: »

Oxford University employs Professor Sunetra Gupta who claims we have reached herd immunity - just cause.

What's your point?

Oxford University Press is a publisher, not a Professor of Epidemiology based in Oxford. It publishes the Journal of Public Health along with the Oxford English Dictionary and many others. A reputable journal, The Journal of Public health accepted the Karachi study for publication. Just because you don't like what it says doesn't make it false. It is of scientific interest, an is now out there for the scientific community to confirm or find errors

Hector Savage · 22-09-2020 10:57AM

Paddygreen wrote: »

The police in Melbourne have done a great job so far keeping people in line, getting them to obey the rules. Our Gardaí need to know that they can take dissenters down.

Yeah Melbourne cops are what we should look up to.

little SS thugs going around beating teenage girls up for not wearing a mask, kicking down people's door and aresting them (one of them a pregnant woman) for daring to express an anti lockdown sentiment on social media.

Funsterdelux · 22-09-2020 10:58AM

crossman47 wrote: »

Look people are just not taking it seriously. I was walking near my local N.S. this morning. The parents all wore masks as they queued with children. But once they came out, the masks came off and there were groups of parents (mainly mothers) chatting at close quarters. I don't think they're being malicious, they just don't think.

Luckily my kids school you cant loiter as theres no space or you'd get run over by an artic.

But I agree social distancing has largely gone out the window.

Boggles · 22-09-2020 10:58AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Oxford University Press

Which is part of Oxford University.

Who employ people stating all sorts of crazy shít, throwing a "study" up on it's server is hard a massive deal in comparison.

John O.Groats · 22-09-2020 11:01AM

alentejo wrote: »

From observations, most people (95+) are fully heeding with the restrictions of masks and 2m etc

You will always have a minority whom will not.

My own view is that this wave will not be as bad as the first one. 95% of people will be less likely to catch it (however some will defo catch it).

I think the daily maximum of cases per day will be 450 (as opposed to 700+) back in late April.

While elderly people will be hospitalised (as well as young people), the majority of people who get infected will be better able to fight off the virus. The second wave which is among us will not be as bad as the first wave!

What evidence do you have for these claims?

TonyMaloney · 22-09-2020 11:02AM

alentejo wrote: »

From observations, most people (95+) are fully heeding with the restrictions of masks and 2m etc

You will always have a minority whom will not.

My own view is that this wave will not be as bad as the first one. 95% of people will be less likely to catch it (however some will defo catch it).

I think the daily maximum of cases per day will be 450 (as opposed to 700+) back in late April.

While elderly people will be hospitalised (as well as young people), the majority of people who get infected will be better able to fight off the virus. The second wave which is among us will not be as bad as the first wave!

On our current trajectory we're likely to have a day with 450+ cases in about a week. That won't compare to 450 a day back in April because testing was so limited, but still.

landofthetree · 22-09-2020 11:05AM

I was called crazy on here a couple of weeks back for saying we will go back into full lockdown.

Its pretty obvious we will be in lockdown from late Oct till around late March. The Irish winter is the perfect temperature for the spread of a virus.

Curious_Case · 22-09-2020 11:07AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Indeed some, but we need to look at the big picture here, Guardian are just jumping at anything the big bad orange bufoon says ... they need to give it a rest.

The US would be in the same position whoever was president.

It would if the population behaved in exactly the same way regardless of different advice issued from a different administration.

John O.Groats · 22-09-2020 11:12AM

landofthetree wrote: »

I was called crazy on here a couple of weeks back for saying we will go back into full lockdown.

Its pretty obvious we will be in lockdown from late Oct till around late March. The Irish winter is the perfect temperature for the spread of a virus.

Whatever about a national lockdown if cases keep rising there will certainly be recurring county wide restrictions over the next few months. Time for the people who are ignoring the guidelines to cop the **** on to themselves if this is to be prevented.

B.A._Baracus · 22-09-2020 11:15AM

landofthetree wrote: »

I was called crazy on here a couple of weeks back for saying we will go back into full lockdown.

Its pretty obvious we will be in lockdown from late Oct till around late March. The Irish winter is the perfect temperature for the spread of a virus.

There has been a lot of opinions posted on these threads as a matter of fact. Which adopting such an attitude is foolish, ignorant and wrong.

'fact' is no one knows where this will go... If one could tell you where will be at they'd be better off using their powers to get next week's lotto numbers

I remember reading posts from a user on here about 6-8 weeks ago who blatantly stated people can go into Dublin city centre without masks or washing hands and NOT get Corona. Posted as a matter of fact and not just their opinion.

But then what can we expect? At times it does come off as so many are experts on the internet. Go back to boards.ie in 2011 with the Japanese earthquakes - I never knew boards had so many "nuclear scientists" using the forum :pac:

snowcat · 22-09-2020 11:18AM

Does any media ever pull that pro restrictions dope Sam Mc Conkey on any of his previous scare mongering comments that have not materialised. On June 5th (irish times) he stated any loosening of restrictions while community transmission was at 20 per day would result in 30000 cases a day in 50 days time.

“If we relax restrictions when there are still, say, 20 or 30 cases of community transmission, we know that . . . over five days it will double, and then that means over 50 days it will rise exponentially, a thousand-fold,” he said.

Well 3 months later despite nearly a full opening it has not happened.

22-09-2020 11:26AM

Boggles wrote: »

Which is part of Oxford University.

Who employ people stating all sorts of crazy shít, throwing a "study" up on it's server is hard a massive deal in comparison.

Jesus Christ Boggles - you just completely dismissed anything that comes out of the number 5 university on the planet. Everyone in Oxford is not of one mind either, and one Professor among an Academic staff of 7,000 does not define the universities policy on any given issue.

boggerman1 · 22-09-2020 11:27AM

snowcat wrote: »

Does any media ever pull that pro restrictions dope Sam Mc Conkey on any of his previous scare mongering comments that have not materialised. On June 5th (irish times) he stated any loosening of restrictions while community transmission was at 20 per day would result in 30000 cases a day in 50 days time.

“If we relax restrictions when there are still, say, 20 or 30 cases of community transmission, we know that . . . over five days it will double, and then that means over 50 days it will rise exponentially, a thousand-fold,” he said.

Well 3 months later despite nearly a full opening it has not happened.

They know best and can’t be questioned.i at the start thought he was one of the better ones on radio but not now.

GooglePlus · 22-09-2020 11:27AM

landofthetree wrote: »

I was called crazy on here a couple of weeks back for saying we will go back into full lockdown.

Its pretty obvious we will be in lockdown from late Oct till around late March. The Irish winter is the perfect temperature for the spread of a virus.

I can't see us locking down for that long. I'd imagine a lockdown to drive cases down in time for Christmas to let the people out to spend their dough.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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