How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

MerlinSouthDub · 22-09-2020 08:39AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's Ronan Glynn's fault that thick parents did not keep their children home while waiting for a test result?

Personal responsibility is long gone, I'm afraid. Never blame yourself, it is always someone else's fault (ideally the government's).

wirelessdude01 · 22-09-2020 08:39AM

Adrianna Gigantic Moth wrote: »

The school should be automatically informed if any student is called for a test so they can ensure they are kept home.

Them parents should be named and shamed to the rest of the school, pure scum.

GDPR blah, blah, blah.

Three of my children have been tested over the past 12 days. All three parents emailed the school to keep them in the loop but also emailed me separately to let me know what was going on. Reason given for emailing me was that they knew the school weren't meant to tell me but that they felt as the class teacher I had a right to know.

Then you have the utterly scummy attitude shown by those parents.

Peter Flynt · 22-09-2020 08:41AM

Why is there a separate definition for a 'close contact' by the HSE for those working in schools?

In society a 'close contact' is someone who has interacted with a person (who has tested positive) for 15 minutes whilst less than 2 m apart OR not wearing a mask or visor.

In schools a 'close contact' is someone who has interacted with a person (who has tested positive) for 15 minutes whilst less than 1 m apart AND not wearing a mask or visor.

History Queen · 22-09-2020 08:41AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

GDPR blah, blah, blah.

Three of my children have been tested over the past 12 days. All three parents emailed the school to keep them in the loop but also emailed me separately to let me know what was going on. Reason given for emailing me was that they knew the school weren't meant to tell me but that they felt as the class teacher I had a right to know.

Then you have the utterly scummy attitude shown by those parents.

Sounds like you have a great relationship with the parents in your class.

wirelessdude01 · 22-09-2020 08:45AM

History Queen wrote: »

Sounds like you have a great relationship with the parents in your class.

This year's bunch yes, a very good bunch of people who recognise what the school does.

However, a small but vocal minority of last year's ones were very selfish and self centered. Stunts like sending children to school while awaiting Covid test results wouldn't have been beyond them.

Boggles · 22-09-2020 08:54AM

Time to update Education Welfare Act.

Send in a kid awaiting a test result, immediate expulsion.

lawrencesummers · 22-09-2020 08:58AM

s1ippy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/V4PIreland/status/1308103629203742720?s=20

Ffs

I’ve followed the guidelines since they came in.
I’ve been strict.
I’ve done what was asked To eliminate the virus

But in the last month I’ve changed my outlook about the entire illness and this tweet is one of the major reasons why.

Living like I have since paddy’s day is not possible long term, it’s just not going to work. We had very high levels of compliance with the restrictions and it wasn’t enough to eliminate the virus. Essentially if what we (Most of us) have done in the last number of months isn’t enough to be rid of it then nothing we can do is because we are always going to have people like these parents who will allow the virus to spread.

The Chinese might Have complete compliance with their restrictions because of their cultural differences, but that’s not us and it never will be.

So Covid to me is a risk like all the other risks that exist in life that need to be mitigated against as life goes on.

Unfortunately more people are going to die, and that’s what happens with illness until a cure comes along.

Il wash my hands not because of Covid but because I always did. I will wear a mask in shops, not because I think it stops Covid but for the same reason I wear a helmet cycling - just in case it makes a small difference in the one in a million possibility of something happening.

The biggest disappointment of this virus is that we haven’t learned to live with it yet, we should be able to travel we should be all going back to work with precautions, We should have a consistent European wide consensus on our approach to it.

lawrencesummers · 22-09-2020 08:59AM

Boggles wrote: »

Time to update Education Welfare Act.

Send in a kid awaiting a test result, immediate expulsion.

Penalize the child’s education because of the parents ignorance.

Sure.

wirelessdude01 · 22-09-2020 09:00AM

Boggles wrote: »

Time to update Education Welfare Act.

Send in a kid awaiting a test result, immediate expulsion.

Very easy to hide that fact from a school if you want to.

Much like the contact tracing stuff. I know of a few people who would have been considered close contacts of people who tested positive who asked those who were tested not to put them forward as close contacts. Totally selfish.

wirelessdude01 · 22-09-2020 09:04AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Penalize the child’s education because of the parents ignorance.

Sure.

I agree, not fair on the children.

However there has to be some form of penalty for such gross negligence.

Boggles · 22-09-2020 09:16AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Penalize the child’s education because of the parents ignorance.

Sure.

Let them appeal it to the BOM, make it a socially distanced event.

I would love to hear on what grounds they think recklessly endangering the health and lives of others trumps the education of little Johnny.

As this thing will be with us for a while, it will become more common.

That or charge the parents with a crime.

lawrencesummers · 22-09-2020 09:26AM

Boggles wrote: »

Let them appeal it to the BOM, make it a socially distanced event.

I would love to hear on what grounds they think recklessly endangering the health and lives of others trumps the education of little Johnny.

As this thing will be with us for a while, it will become more common.

That or charge the parents with a crime.

That’s the same as giving a speeding ticket to a toddler in a car seat because daddy was speeding.

Boggles · 22-09-2020 09:31AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

That’s the same as giving a speeding ticket to a toddler in a car seat because daddy was speeding.

Well no.

It would be like arresting Daddy for letting the toddler drive the car.

lawrencesummers · 22-09-2020 09:43AM

Boggles wrote: »

Well no.

It would be like arresting Daddy for letting the toddler drive the car.

No, your first post is advocating the child being sanctioned for the actions of the parent by expelling the child.

That’s never going to happen Because it’s a ridiculous proposition.

Boggles · 22-09-2020 09:50AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

No, your first post is advocating the child being sanctioned for the actions of the parent by expelling the child.

That’s never going to happen Because it’s a ridiculous proposition.

So the alternative is to sanction the parents as I stated.

Pick one.

Because this will be with us for a while and will become more common.

The school and BOM have a responsibility first and foremost to the health and safety of everyone in the school, it's not in their remit to sanction parents directly.

Simply tut tutting and claiming ignorant cúnts will just be ignorant cúnts is not a viable strategy going forward.

22-09-2020 09:53AM

Adrianna Gigantic Moth wrote: »

The school should be automatically informed if any student is called for a test so they can ensure they are kept home.

Them parents should be named and shamed to the rest of the school, pure scum.

My daughter and wife developed symptoms last weekend. Organised a test and kept my daughter off school for three days after a negative result just to be sure. Informed the other parents through a WhatsApp group. The mind boggles that this isn't the norm.

22-09-2020 09:55AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

That’s the same as giving a speeding ticket to a toddler in a car seat because daddy was speeding.

It's absolutely not. It's not allowing a child to attend a school because the person in charge of them can't be trusted to not endanger the health of everyone else.

facehugger99 · 22-09-2020 09:58AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Very easy to hide that fact from a school if you want to.

Much like the contact tracing stuff. I know of a few people who would have been considered close contacts of people who tested positive who asked those who were tested not to put them forward as close contacts. Totally selfish.

As it should be.

Fair dues to those parents, they obviously place greater value on their children's education than on placating the hysterical nonsense of some other parents. I applaud their decision and would do the same myself.

Why should their kids have to miss school time while they wait for a statistically-likely negative result for a virus that is to all intents, mostly harmless?

lawrencesummers · 22-09-2020 09:58AM

Boggles wrote: »

So the alternative is to sanction the parents as I stated.

Pick one.

Because this will be with us for a while and will become more common.

The school and BOM have a responsibility first and foremost to the health and safety of everyone in the school, it's not in their remit to sanction parents directly.

Simply tut tutting and claiming ignorant cúnts will just be ignorant cúnts is not a viable strategy going forward.

You can’t pick one when neither are options.

The school can only do what it can do. The principle isn’t psychic, if a parent decides to hiDe a child’s medical background in relation to a contagious disease (which includes a lot of them) currently there is nothing a school can do.

If something needs to change it needs to change at a legislative level allowing for schools to be informed of the pupils who are in any stage of testing up to complete and negative, but your going to have medical privacy, GDPR and civil liberties issues to contend with there.

History Queen · 22-09-2020 10:02AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

As it should be.

Fair dues to those parents, they obviously place greater value on their children's education than on placating the hysterical nonsense of some other parents. I applaud their decision and would do the same myself.

Why should their kids have to miss school time while they wait for a statistically-likely negative result for a virus that is to all intents, mostly harmless?

Seriously?

lawrencesummers · 22-09-2020 10:03AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's absolutely not. It's not allowing a child to attend a school because the person in charge of them can't be trusted to not endanger the health of everyone else.

Have a coffee.
Take your time.
Read it again.
Understand it this time.

alroley · 22-09-2020 10:09AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

As it should be.

Fair dues to those parents, they obviously place greater value on their children's education than on placating the hysterical nonsense of some other parents. I applaud their decision and would do the same myself.

Why should their kids have to miss school time while they wait for a statistically-likely negative result for a virus that is to all intents, mostly harmless?

Sounds like your kids would need all the education they can get.

kilburn · 22-09-2020 10:14AM

facehugger99 wrote:

As it should be.

facehugger99 wrote:

Fair dues to those parents, they obviously place greater value on their children's education than on placating the hysterical nonsense of some other parents. I applaud their decision and would do the same myself.

facehugger99 wrote:

Why should their kids have to miss school time while they wait for a statistically-likely negative result for a virus that is to all intents, mostly harmless?

Wow just wow

22-09-2020 10:15AM

alroley wrote: »

Sounds like your kids would need all the education they can get.

They won’t be learning much at home anyway judging by the level of intelligence on display here....

wirelessdude01 · 22-09-2020 10:22AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

As it should be.

Fair dues to those parents, they obviously place greater value on their children's education than on placating the hysterical nonsense of some other parents. I applaud their decision and would do the same myself.

Why should their kids have to miss school time while they wait for a statistically-likely negative result for a virus that is to all intents, mostly harmless?

What a horrendously selfish attitude you have.

Quite similar to the mother who refused to take her obviously sick child home from our school last week saying that her child had been denied enough education.

Attitudes like these are why children miss more days than they should.

DSN · 22-09-2020 10:26AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

GDPR blah, blah, blah.

Three of my children have been tested over the past 12 days. All three parents emailed the school to keep them in the loop but also emailed me separately to let me know what was going on. Reason given for emailing me was that they knew the school weren't meant to tell me but that they felt as the class teacher I had a right to know.

Then you have the utterly scummy attitude shown by those parents.

Am curious, what did the school or yourself do with the information. While in theory out of courtesy an email the school as an FYI if we waiting on results if a good thing & I'd happily do that if I thought it was helpful. But am wondering what can they do with that info unless the child was a close contact or until there's a positive result? Would it cause the principle & staff more anxiety & worry every time they get a mail about someone just going for a test?

wirelessdude01 · 22-09-2020 10:31AM

DSN wrote: »

Am curious, what did the school or yourself do with the information. While in theory out of courtesy an email the school as an FYI if we waiting on results if a good thing & I'd happily do that if I thought it was helpful. But am wondering what can they do with that info unless the child was a close contact or until there's a positive result? Would it cause the principle & staff more anxiety & worry every time they get a mail about someone just going for a test?

We did nothing. Why would we? It was a courtesy from parents just letting us know what was going on. Greatly appreciated by me anyway as I like to know what's going on.

One of the children I already knew about before the parents emailed me as other children in the class told me.

I'm sure some teachers would become more anxious with that sort of news but parents would be aware of that and maybe not add to it.

Neyite · 22-09-2020 10:33AM

combat14 wrote: »

lads the pubs have to be causing the spike in numbers they are back open today that must be it ..

its definitely not the schools sure they have been open 2 or 3 weeks now at this stage so all is going well with them

The pubs will blame the schools and the schools will blame the pubs for a spike in numbers. Government will bluster a bit and say they'll launch an enquiry and it will come to nothing.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Why should their kids have to miss school time while they wait for a statistically-likely negative result for a virus that is to all intents, mostly harmless?

Because the child they sit next to has a grandmother at home undergoing chemo? Because the teacher has serious underlying respiratory conditions?

If a child is referred for a test it's because they have symptoms of a respiratory illness AND fever. My lad was exhausted just lying on the sofa during those days. He wasn't fit for school. I knew it wasn't Covid. So did the GP, but he got referred anyway and I kept him home until after I got the negative result because he just wasn't well enough to concentrate in class, and because it's the rules. And because I also didn't want other children to get it from him and also miss days off school and inconveniencing other households.

I'd like to see fines issued for parents who send their kids in against public health guidelines. If you care about your child's education that much you can ask the school for a list of study material while they are absent.

Lillyfae · 22-09-2020 10:33AM

DSN wrote: »

Am curious, what did the school or yourself do with the information. While in theory out of courtesy an email the school as an FYI if we waiting on results if a good thing & I'd happily do that if I thought it was helpful. But am wondering what can they do with that info unless the child was a close contact or until there's a positive result? Would it cause the principle & staff more anxiety & worry every time they get a mail about someone just going for a test?

He does nothing except complain, repeat "optics!" over and over and accuse people of teacher bashing or being jealous of his holidays if they don't agree with him. Oh, and call new staff at his school "randomers" when the principal hasn't run the new hire by him, even though they're replacing people out on Covid related leave. Optics, sure.

I'd love to know how his three colleagues with gastro picked it up though, if they're distancing from each other and practicing good hygiene.

washman3 · 22-09-2020 10:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

kept my daughter off school for three days after a negative result just to be sure.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry after reading this.!!

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