Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

majcos · 22-09-2020 02:22AM

GT89 wrote: »

You clearly don't know the defintion of PPE so.

PPE is to protect the user of the the PPE not to protect others from the wearer. Locking up a third of the population is surely better than locking up the entire population and it's only certain underlying that would put a person at risk of covid so it wouldn't be a third of the population.

People who come into contact with vulnerable people could be tested constantly. And vulnerable people can reduce their contacts also these measures would be voluntary not mandatory.

PPE in healthcare is always to protect both. Doctors wear gloves to protect their patients from contracting infections from them and to protect themselves from contracting an infection from the patient.

With public mask wearing, the mask is perhaps more protective to others from the wearer than it is for user of the mask. ‘I protect you and you protect me’, and varieties of this, is being used as a slogan by many health authorities.

22-09-2020 02:22AM

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-covid-really-rising-in-spain-a-look-at-the-data

majcos · 22-09-2020 02:28AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

90 in total in ROI hospitals with Covid now?

Yes. HSE operations report for 21st of September gives figure of 90 in hospital as of 8pm with 17 in ICU as of 6.30pm.

eagle eye · 22-09-2020 04:12AM

Deleted User wrote:

you're either with us, or against us. I can't see the value in opposing the efforts against a national crisis, no matter how important you feel hitting 'send' on a post that sticks it to the man.

I'm against the government because they are not doing enough to prevent this virus spreading and clearly don't care about our kids.
I've every right to have and to post my opinion.
I've said months ago that I never even considered that I could run a country or anything like it but after seeing the level of stupidity running the show in this country since this virus arrived I'm confident I'd do a better job than any of them.
And I'm not all about me either, I look around the world and see who is having success in the battle against this virus and take in board what they are doing but our government aren't doing that.

It's quite clear they are happy to let this thing continue sinking as the numbers remain low enough so our hospitals don't get overrun.

Wanderer78 · 22-09-2020 05:59AM

eagle eye wrote:

I'm against the government because they are not doing enough to prevent this virus spreading and clearly don't care about our kids. I've every right to have and to post my opinion. I've said months ago that I never even considered that I could run a country or anything like it but after seeing the level of stupidity running the show in this country since this virus arrived I'm confident I'd do a better job than any of them. And I'm not all about me either, I look around the world and see who is having success in the battle against this virus and take in board what they are doing but our government aren't doing that.

I'm afraid, it takes a particular level of arrogance and narcissism to think one could run a country better, this is highly unlikely, including for myself, it's one hell of a sh1t job, politicans certainly don't get paid enough, for what they're trying to do, particularly right now. it's a balancing act, while walking across a tight rope, while the rope is only truly secure at one end, and you're bollcok naked, its one hell of a sh1t job

22-09-2020 06:08AM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Thought she was superb. Finally putting a view across that doesn't toe the party line and actually describes a high percentage of people feelings on it. Let actions be statistic based and not hysteria based

A good rule of thumb. If you find yourself agreeing with Niamh horan’s opinion on anything it’s a clear indication your wrong

OscarMIlde · 22-09-2020 07:32AM

GT89 wrote: »

Where is the panic talk about ICU bed availability every winter? We could all end up in ICU at any given time due to RTCs, heart attacks, strokes etc. not something I spend my day worrying about it. The chances of a healthy person ending up in ICU with covid are about the same as ending up in ICU because of a car crash, heart attack, stroke, one punch assault, falling down the stairs or workplace accident.

The vulnerable can take measures to protect themselves whilst the healthy should really be getting on with their lives.

A 24 year old cousin of someone I know endes up in ICU in a coma due to covid 19 earlier this year. He was apparently very fit, used to run regularly. No known underlying conditions. Granted his is a rare case, but some young people are struck very hard by this.

Notwithstanding that, anyone over 70 is at very high risk from this, and that is not an old age. My mother is in her 70s, is regularly digging up her allotment and swims and cycles. There are many like her who have a decade or two at least of life yet who could be seriously affected by covid 19. I cannot get over the absolute selfish gall of people who think congregating in pubs and the freedom to not wear a mask is more important than the lives of a significant proportion of our population.

We are not living in a police state. We can see friends as long as we are cautious to limit how many at once and how we meet. Shops, restaurants, and pubs are open, we just can't have quite the level of fun and abandonment in them as we did before this. We can get on a bus or train and head to the shopping centre or town, as long as you properly wear a mask.

If everyone used the freedoms we had responsibly there would be no need for lockdowns like Dublin.

OscarMIlde · 22-09-2020 07:35AM

John O.Groats wrote: »

But you constantly claim that mask wearing is useless, so why is it now suddenly something that you would recommend? Is the penny beginning to drop?

Because it's part of their continuing narrative that they don't want to be inconvenienced in any way so other people need to adapt or die.

22-09-2020 07:38AM

OscarMIlde wrote: »

A 24 year old cousin of someone I know endes up in ICU in a coma due to covid 19 earlier this year. He was apparently very fit, used to run regularly. No known underlying conditions. Granted his is a rare case, but some young people are struck very hard by this.

Notwithstanding that, anyone over 70 is at very high risk from this, and that is not an old age. My mother is in her 70s, is regularly digging up her allotment and swims and cycles. There are many like her who have a decade or two at least of life yet who could be seriously affected by covid 19. I cannot get over the absolute selfish gall of people who think congregating in pubs and the freedom to not wear a mask is more important than the lives of a significant proportion of our population.

We are not living in a police state. We can see friends as long as we are cautious to limit how many at once and how we meet. Shops, restaurants, and pubs are open, we just can't have quite the level of fun and abandonment in them as we did before this. We can get on a bus or train and head to the shopping centre or town, as long as you properly wear a mask.

If everyone used the freedoms we had responsibly there would be no need for lockdowns like Dublin.

It is not true to say that anyone over 70 is at very high risk. 80% of those in care homes who got this recovered, so anyone over 70, in good health, has an excellent chance of recovery. I even know of someone in their late 70's with emphysema who recovered

Peter Flynt · 22-09-2020 07:40AM

Why is there a separate definition for a 'close contact' by the HSE for those working in schools?

In society a 'close contact' is someone who has interacted with a person (who has tested positive) for 15 minutes whilst less than 2 m apart OR not wearing a mask or visor.

In schools a 'close contact' is someone who has interacted with a person (who has tested positive) for 15 minutes whilst less than 1 m apart AND not wearing a mask or visor.

Funsterdelux · 22-09-2020 07:42AM

Deleted User wrote: »

A good rule of thumb. If you find yourself agreeing with Niamh horan’s opinion on anything it’s a clear indication your wrong

I was going to ask what she said then I googled her and I remembered who she is.

zerosugarbuzz · 22-09-2020 07:47AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I'm afraid, it takes a particular level of arrogance and narcissism to think one could run a country better, this is highly unlikely, including for myself, it's one hell of a sh1t job, politicans certainly don't get paid enough, for what they're trying to do, particularly right now. it's a balancing act, while walking across a tight rope, while the rope is only truly secure at one end, and you're bollcok naked, its one hell of a sh1t job

If it’s such a **** job why oh why do they keep competing for re-election. They literally have to be thrown out by the electorate unlike the rest of us who move on to another job. Methinks they know they haven’t the skills or talent to get the mercs and perks elsewhere.

Funsterdelux · 22-09-2020 07:59AM

Face shields ineffective at trapping aerosols, says Japanese supercomputer

link

Gruffalux · 22-09-2020 08:02AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

link

It took a supercomputer to figure that out

Daft looking yokes.

is_that_so · 22-09-2020 08:10AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

link

Be better for all of us if the supercomputer was simulating other things like possible drugs and treatments that could actually help with the virus. Some people won't or can't wear face masks so it really doesn't matter. TBH this masks battleground is really tiresome and apart from adding to that fire does little to help us understand the virtually blank canvas of the virus itself but it's pleasing for the media because it's something they can understand.

The discovery linked to on the vaccines thread about the Linoleic acid in COVID is real research and far more useful to us. Here's an RTE version of it.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0922/1166648-covid-19-drug/

screamer · 22-09-2020 08:19AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Be better for all of us if the supercomputer was simulating other things like possible drugs and treatments that could actually help with the virus. Some people won't or can't wear face masks so it really doesn't matter. TBH this masks battleground is really tiresome and apart from adding to that fire does little to help us understand the virtually blank canvas of the virus itself but it's pleasing for the media because it's something they can understand.

Yep, do like I do, buy some ffp3 masks, for yourself, and let the other gob****es who won’t wear masks off to drown in their own secretions.
I’m really adopting a look after myself approach to COVID-19 these days, whereas before I’d be angry with non mask wearers, now I just move along with myself, safe in the knowledge I’m well protected from their ignorance.

Boggles · 22-09-2020 08:23AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Be better for all of us if the supercomputer was simulating other things like possible drugs and treatments that could actually help with the virus. Some people won't or can't wear face masks so it really doesn't matter. TBH this masks battleground is really tiresome and apart from adding to that fire does little to help us understand the virtually blank canvas of the virus itself but it's pleasing for the media because it's something they can understand.
The discovery linked to on the vaccines about the Linoleic acid in COVID is real research and far more useful to us. Here's an RTE version of it.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0922/1166648-covid-19-drug/

Yeah, it's doing that too.

experts are hoping it will help identify treatments for Covid-19 from about 2,000 existing drugs, including those that have yet to reach the clinical trial stage

Also

The 130bn yen (£970m) supercomputer has also run simulations on how respiratory droplets spread in partitioned office spaces and on packed trains when the carriage windows are open

How the virus spreads and what we should do to combat it until effective treatments or vaccines arrive is hardly of "little help".

It's vital.

is_that_so · 22-09-2020 08:27AM

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah, it's doing that too.

Also

How the virus spreads and what we should do to combat it until effective treatments or vaccines arrive is hardly of "little help".

It's vital.

I see an understanding of how the virus is structured of far more importance. That's still extremely limited. It's not as if we don't have about 4000 papers on mask usage already.

Funsterdelux · 22-09-2020 08:29AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Be better for all of us if the supercomputer was simulating other things like possible drugs and treatments that could actually help with the virus. Some people won't or can't wear face masks so it really doesn't matter. TBH this masks battleground is really tiresome and apart from adding to that fire does little to help us understand the virtually blank canvas of the virus itself but it's pleasing for the media because it's something they can understand.

The discovery linked to on the vaccines thread about the Linoleic acid in COVID is real research and far more useful to us. Here's an RTE version of it.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0922/1166648-covid-19-drug/

Oh i agree and Ive seen that supercomputers are being used to treatments etc.

I was just sharing it, Ive no opinion on shields

is_that_so · 22-09-2020 08:30AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Oh i agree and Ive seen that supercomputers are being used to treatments etc.

Real research is glacial stuff and this IMO is really just going over fairly old ground.

Wanderer78 · 22-09-2020 08:32AM

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

If it’s such a **** job why oh why do they keep competing for re-election. They literally have to be thrown out by the electorate unlike the rest of us who move on to another job. Methinks they know they haven’t the skills or talent to get the mercs and perks elsewhere.

...because most of them believe in what theyre doing, is the right thing for society, even if people like myself, completely disagree with their thinking and ideologies, it really is a sh1t job

22-09-2020 08:36AM

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm against the government because they are not doing enough to prevent this virus spreading and clearly don't care about our kids.
I've every right to have and to post my opinion.
I've said months ago that I never even considered that I could run a country or anything like it but after seeing the level of stupidity running the show in this country since this virus arrived I'm confident I'd do a better job than any of them.
And I'm not all about me either, I look around the world and see who is having success in the battle against this virus and take in board what they are doing but our government aren't doing that.

It's quite clear they are happy to let this thing continue sinking as the numbers remain low enough so our hospitals don't get overrun.

your qualifications and experience?

Boggles · 22-09-2020 08:36AM

is_that_so wrote: »

I see an understanding of how the virus is structured of far more importance. That's still extremely limited. It's not as if we don't have about 4000 papers on mask usage already.

But yet you still call it a "battleground".

Peter Flynt · 22-09-2020 08:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

your qualifications and experience?

What are your qualifications & experience?

This is a forum where people leave opinions/posts, not an interview.

is_that_so · 22-09-2020 08:45AM

Boggles wrote: »

But yet you still call it a "battleground".

Not necessarily of scientists' making but yes it is. It's become a battle of political and personal views and is very much subject to extreme intolerance on both ends of the spectrum.

Boggles · 22-09-2020 08:45AM

Deleted User wrote: »

A good rule of thumb. If you find yourself agreeing with Niamh horan’s opinion on anything it’s a clear indication your wrong

Never heard of her, why she was involved is a complete mystery.2 health professionals and "Niamh" in her parents kitchen via Zoom.

Also what was with the GP given the "celebs" only a score of 3 when they were clearly getting the answers right.

Harsh.

22-09-2020 08:46AM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

What are your qualifications & experience?

This is a forum where people leave opinions/posts, not an interview.

as i was clear to point out, its those geniuses in our midst who have big alternative plans and strategies to our experts that have the onus to declare why they should be taken in any way seriously.

me? happy to let the experts get on with it. i might moan a bit but seeing as my experience lies in a totally unrelated field id feel like a completely pompous ass if i were to keep typing up amateur tracts critiquing or advising them.

so my qualifications and experience are irrelevant.

see how that works?

Boggles · 22-09-2020 08:47AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Not necessarily of scientists' making but yes it is.

So still work to be done.

The point is, if the computer is essentially figuring how to live with the virus, right now the information is vital, not just for public health, but society and the economy.

That doesn't negate other important work, it's a billion dollar computer, I imagine it can walk and chew gum at the same time, which it is doing.

KrustyUCC · 22-09-2020 08:58AM

Long way away but this hopefully sounds positive way forward

'Game changer' find could lead to Covid-19 'blocker'

"Scientists believe they may have discovered a new way to combat the Covid-19 virus.

An international team from Bristol University believes that small molecule anti-viral drugs could be developed to help stop the virus from infecting human cells.

The scientists have found a "druggable" pocket within a Sars-CoV-2 spike protein which they hope could lead to new anti-viral drugs to shut down and eliminate the virus before it enters human cells."

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0922/1166648-covid-19-drug/

Drumpot · 22-09-2020 09:08AM

I’m curious as to how much cultural traits are playing a role in the spread.

In short, some countries whose population lack discipline and objective perspective are fairing poorly. It’s a virus, freedom to do what you want and a belligerent response (fatigue) to measures to mitigate it are basically undermining the authorities efforts.

People selectively point at other countries who have better numbers but I don’t see people discussing why these countries strategy works better. What works in one country may not in another for a multitude of reasons.

Where I fear our authorities/government have let us down mostly us by not using the time well since March. Are we ready for the next surge? Why not? Anybody in medicine could tell you months ago that the likelihood would be that winter could be a very big test.

Efforts to improve our contact tracing and plain old communication to the public could and should of been done much much better. There is no excuse as far as I am concerned that these elements have been deficient at times.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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