Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

So we can have people going to hospitals with broken legs or other injuries, getting the mandatory covid test, testing positive (while displaying no symptoms and not being in a hospital for "covid treatment") and then Ronan Glynn saying on RTE at 6 o clock that covid hospitalizations are increasing?

A hospital full of people waiting on a test could explode and RTE would report it as 100’s of covid related deaths, so I’m sure Glynn would consider any case in a hospital as a such.... regardless of where the virus was caught! I’d expect nothing less from them at this stage

sabat wrote: »

You're only 16/17/18 once and most people have so many magic memories of the summers and other times being those ages. They've been swindled.

Big deal! They should just wait on a vaccine for 2-3 years or they may never have one ... patience!

The majority of people advocating for more lockdowns fit in to categories of the population which aren't affected by it that much, or at least nowhere near as much as younger people. It would appear in some cases restrictions or even lockdowns may actually suit them.

The two primary categories of such people would be (which are of course a large proportion of the population):

• Retired people
• Married couples/people in long-term relationships with public sector or secure WFH private sector jobs

You hear lots of people in these categories saying they have more time and money from not having to commute to work. Many, particularly those with kids, would have a much quieter social life than when they were younger and are happy to spend more time at home. For the most part the restrictions don't have a very negative impact on them and some may even regard it as positive.

The difference in how much the restrictions and lockdowns affect young people compared to the groups mentioned above is massive. It's not just young people either. It can equally apply to older single people and those with jobs in badly impacted industries (tourism, hospitality, aviation, entertainment).

There is no real college experience, no sporting activities, concerts, social activities, clubs or opportunities to travel or work/study abroad. Schools are probably the only area with some normality. Many of the jobs young people would have worked in (hospitality for instance) are not around anymore. For single people it is very difficult to meet anyone.

During the March lockdown, the vast majority of young people were willing to put there lives on hold (in a way) for a few months. No there seems to be no end in sight to the restrictions and more lockdowns seem imminent. I really feel for those starting college this year in particular, where there will be near zero social life for a long time in all likelihood.

I would add that it's not just young people who have been worst affected. Elderly people, particularly those who live alone are finding it very hard in many cases. Virtually all their social outlets are gone (clubs, outings, bingo nights etc). I've aware of elderly people living alone whose friends (and even family) are too afraid to visit their home.

There is substantial cohort who simply aren't affected much by the restrictions or even benefit from them. These are the people pushing for more restrictions or lockdowns without caring about those most affected.

road_high wrote: »

How’s the sacred vaccine coming along that was supposed to be here by Christmas? Last I heard the Oxford trials were stalled.
As if it could be magicked up, tested and registered, produced, administered within months

Oh i agree. My point about them waiting was sarcasm of the highest order !

Wait on the " experts" mickey mouse and that other snake making it up as they go along! Id believe someone appearing at my door selling me magic beans tomorrow, before id believe that band of fools!

Captain_Crash wrote: »

A hospital full of people waiting on a test could explode and RTE would report it as 100’s of covid related deaths, so I’m sure Glynn would consider any case in a hospital as a such.... regardless of where the virus was caught! I’d expect nothing less from them at this stage

That’s the kind of story George lee would really get off on!

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

If they are too stupid or ignorant to listen to advice then the law needs to step in. Large fines, criminal records, jail time etc. That will soon force a bit of cop on into these brain dead idiots who can’t just do the very simple thing of staying at home and not spreading the virus.

Now off you go and stay home. Also cut off your gas, electricity, internet, TV and live of the produce of your own garden.
Because it is your irresponsibility shopping for food, cooking, watching TV and constantly sitting on boards trying to educate people which is putting people lives at risk. Yes, you selfishly expect shops to be open so you can go buy things, you expect maintenance and technicians to show up for work so you can go on internet and TV.

Cut it all off and then preach. From your balcony.

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

You have the will power to talk rubbish so I’m sure you can give me confirmed verified numbers to show Ireland’s death rate is lower than what I have shown.

You are just another covid denier, a Facebook hoax story masquerading as a poster.

As a number of people here pointed out there is a major flaw in your thinking. If the death rate or risk associated with this virus are a foundation for your beliefs with regard to the strategy currently implemented by the government, the only thing I can suggest is that you sit down and re-evaluate. Quite possibly you are wrong by an order of magnitude. I rest my case at this point.

walus wrote: »

i'll be watching closely the news coming from France, where they have got now double the cases and 1/20 of actual deaths. I know someone shortly will instruct me that France is not Ireland, that they drink wine and not Guinness, and that Irish are halfwits that need to be led by their hands by a paternalistic government and the French don't, and for all those reasons the French lesson will never be useful here. Our healthcare system is so bad and all that malarkey. It will be an interesting exercise nevertheless.

BTW, I'm sick hearing of all these idiotic excuses why Irish as a nation cannot considered on equal terms with the Germans and the likes, and that we need a different approach to pretty much everything that we do. If we think we are lesser then the them all, we surely always be just that. Terrible mindset for a nation with such a huge potential. We will only get what we think we deserve, not more. end of the rant.

On a more positive note this morning, I think I have figured out why no lockdown strategy implemented by Sweden would never work in Ireland. You see, in Sweden everything comes in flat-packs and thus the Swedes are used to following instructions. In Ireland flat-packs are relatively a new thing...

walus wrote: »

On a more positive note this morning, I think I have figured out why no lockdown strategy implemented by Sweden would never work in Ireland. You see, in Sweden everything comes in flat-packs and thus the Swedes are used to following instructions. In Ireland flat-packs are relatively a new thing...

Well, that made me laugh. A bit of humour always helps.

deisedevil wrote: »

Or maybe, just maybe, the vaccine will do exactly what it says on the tin.

Exactly. Let's hope that it will be much better than the one for swine flu.

Do we know what is the criteria to move from level 2 down to level 1 restrictions or are they just making it up as they go along?

Gael23 wrote: »

Do we know what is the criteria to move from level 2 down to level 1 restrictions or are they just making it up as they go along?

Those levels have no more relevance than the supposed Green list did.

Spoke to my elderly grandad yesterday after he went to the pub to see his friends. He paid for his two pints upfront, and they were brought to him while he caught up with his friends.

He went 7 months alone, without having any real anyone social interaction with anyone (bar a relative through a window). When he was telling me on the phone, you could tell he was trying his best not to cry.

7 months to an octogenarian is a long f*cking time.

I'm absolutely delighted for him.

Situations like the above are all over Ireland. Yesterday was a great day for many people.

The problem I see with the numbers over the next couple of weeks is were dammed if we do dammed if we dont....

Dublin has 0 cases.... NPHET: "We were right as always and now lets move to level 7.5a to get cases below 0"

Dublin has 224 cases.... NPHET: "Now can you imagine how many there would have been if we didn't pace Dublin under additional restriction.. we're right your wrong.... level 8.55.b(d) incoming"