Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Plumbthedepths · 21-09-2020 03:38PM

eagle eye wrote: »

You can have virtual classrooms.

Mental health? I remember being a child and all my great memories are if the summer holidays, most of them at home.

You can have virtual classrooms if you have good internet access. Many don't.
That was great for you but the majority of children need socialisation.

Necro · 21-09-2020 03:39PM

Hurrache wrote: »

You're still at this crap?

I've not a clue what's going on, I'm supposed to come up with evidence to back up his claim masks are unsafe

ixoy · 21-09-2020 03:39PM

eagle eye wrote: »

You can have virtual classrooms.

For younger, primary aged, children school can be vital for socialising as much as actual learning. They need to learn to interact with their peers in person and a computer screen isn't the same - and not all will have siblings, or neighbours, to play with.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 03:41PM

Anyone advocating for 'virtual classrooms' clearly has absolutely no idea how difficult online learning is. Ridiculous suggestion.

KrustyUCC · 21-09-2020 03:41PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Appears to be a situation developing in Wilton. I wonder how quick MM will be to lock down his own constituency

What are you hearing case wise?

spookwoman · 21-09-2020 03:47PM

blowitupref wrote: »

How many tests was Sunday?

The don't release the positive number on a Sunday

billybonkers · 21-09-2020 03:49PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

And there never can be as the virus was unknown then.

So it was here before the outbreaks in the rest of Europe? China? The World?

I just so happened it didn't affect people in the same way the symptoms did in January in the rest of the world? Didn't spread as quickly? Wasn't as deadly?

Seriously... :rolleyes:

tobefrank321 · 21-09-2020 03:50PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Sure, but the probability of someone who has just died, but happens to have an unrelated covid infection is the same as the incidence of any random person having covid at a particular time.

Which surely is very very small, right?

So the deaths "with covid" should be insignificant, am I right?

Those who end up in hospital for any reason tend to be tested, both here and in the UK. So if they are in for a car accident or any accident, or cancer treatment, stroke, heart attack and so on, they will probably get a test. They may then die of the other condition. So seriously ill people would be more likely to be tested than healthy people. The Oxford study found that many people who died of other things had covid on their death cert. We already know they had to remove 5000 from the death stats because doctors registered deaths of people who were diagnosed at least two months before. So it appears doctors in the UK are making a lot of mistakes registering covid deaths.

blowitupref · 21-09-2020 03:51PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

10000

A nice even number.

So the last seven days compared to last week had 668 more cases from almost 13,000 extra tests carried out.

billybonkers · 21-09-2020 03:51PM

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

Yes, there's no proof, but the claim was anecdotal. It does not mean it's either true or false. There is a research paper that was pre peer review that I saw that claimed to have found it in waste water dated March 2019 in Barcelona. Strangely enough it was not found in such samples again until November 2019.

Just the March 12th sample and absolutely non of the others around that time...

"A curious thing about this finding is that it disagrees with epidemiological data about the virus. The authors don’t cite reports of a spike in the number of respiratory disease cases in the local population following the date of the sampling.

Also, we know SARS-CoV-2 to be highly transmissible, at least in its current form. If this result is a true positive it suggests the virus was present in the population at a high enough incidence to be detected in an 800ml sample of sewage, but then not present at a high enough incidence to be detected for nine months, when no control measures were in place.

So, until further studies are carried out, it is best not to draw definitive conclusions."

Boggles · 21-09-2020 03:52PM

The disease was no where near Europe in October, let alone Ireland.

They have retrospectively tested samples from last year all over Europe, the earliest confirmed case is the end of December.

billybonkers · 21-09-2020 03:52PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Who said there is? I said that's what they believe. People on here tend to trust the professionals, I'm going to as well.

Come on. Do you really think it was in Cork in October last year?

igCorcaigh · 21-09-2020 03:53PM

billybonkers wrote: »

So it was here before the outbreaks in the rest of Europe? China? The World?

I just so happened it didn't affect people in the same way the symptoms did in January in the rest of the world? Didn't spread as quickly? Wasn't as deadly?

Seriously... :rolleyes:

I'm skeptical of these reports too, but the possibility is interesting. With a IFR of 0.6, could it have gone unnoticed? I don't know.

It doesn't sit with the scenes we witnessed in Italy and Spain though. I don't know what to think.

s1ippy · 21-09-2020 03:53PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Who said there is? I said that's what they believe. People on here tend to trust the professionals, I'm going to as well.

They don't believe that though.

GooglePlus · 21-09-2020 03:53PM

billybonkers wrote: »

So it was here before the outbreaks in the rest of Europe? China? The World?

I just so happened it didn't affect people in the same way the symptoms did in January in the rest of the world? Didn't spread as quickly? Wasn't as deadly?

Seriously... :rolleyes:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/french-hospital-discovers-it-had-case-of-coronavirus-in-december-1.4245275

As early as December anyway.

is_that_so · 21-09-2020 03:53PM

ixoy wrote: »

For younger, primary aged, children school can be vital for socialising as much as actual learning. They need to learn to interact with their peers in person and a computer screen isn't the same - and not all will have siblings, or neighbours, to play with.

Passed a school in Dublin today at lunchtime with a cacophony of noise from the yard. Happy children is one of the nicest natural sounds and makes things seem just a little bit normal.

JP Liz V1 · 21-09-2020 03:53PM

billybonkers wrote: »

There is absolutely no proof what so ever that Covid was here in October last year.

And is their proof it wasn't, no tests were done then so we don't know for sure

caveat emptor · 21-09-2020 03:54PM

You can really see the spread to all age groups.

https://twitter.com/marc362/status/1307970981441556481?s=21

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 03:54PM

billybonkers wrote: »

Come on. Do you really think it was in Cork in October last year?

I worked in a pharmacy up until February. Never seen so many sick people. Not sure if anyone here knows Bronchostop, the popular cough bottle, but it went out of circulation over Christmas, especially the kids version. May not have been COVID, may have been, but there was something very funky going around Cork from October on.
Not sure why you're disputing an opinion from nurses? Nobody said there was evidence. It's anecdotal.

DangerScouse · 21-09-2020 03:54PM

Tin foil hats on sale this weekend I see.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 03:55PM

It's grand for some on here to spout anecdotal evidence like there's no tomorrow about re-infections, double lung transplants etc.
When someone else does it, the stakes come out. Some need to get a grip.

is_that_so · 21-09-2020 03:57PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

And is their proof it wasn't, no tests were done then so we don't know for sure

Absence of evidence doesn't work either way. The earliest it may have been found in Europe is a case in France from December and some waste water samples on one day in Barcelona in November.

Icantthinkof1 · 21-09-2020 03:58PM

Jesus it’s unreal that grown ass adults can’t discuss different opinions without being jumped on.
Some believe the virus was here earlier than Feb; some don’t

caveat emptor · 21-09-2020 03:58PM

Nurses in Beaumont hospital believe it arrived large scale in February and early March.

December did have lots of flu infections.

Of course I offer no evidence for this claim but I just thought I’d post something generalising what a group of people think to back up my opinion.

How many of these nurses you ask?

Loads I’d reply. Nearly all of them.

igCorcaigh · 21-09-2020 03:58PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I worked in a pharmacy up until February. Never seen so many sick people. Not sure if anyone here knows Bronchostop, the popular cough bottle, but it went out of circulation over Christmas, especially the kids version. May not have been COVID, may have been, but there was something very funky going around Cork from October on.
Not sure why you're disputing an opinion from nurses? Nobody said there was evidence. It's anecdotal.

There was definitely a bad bug season last winter and spring. Everyone was coughing, and it was the first time I got night sweats from a chest infection.

I'm still very skeptical it was covid though. Just a bad season.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 03:59PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

There was definitely a bad bug season last winter and spring. Everyone was coughing, and it was the first time I got night sweats from a chest infection.

I'm still very skeptical it was covid though. Just a bad season.

As I said, it's entirely anecdotal. Symptoms of whatever was going around late last year are almost identical to COVID, which is interesting.

is_that_so · 21-09-2020 04:00PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

Jesus it’s unreal that grown ass adults can’t discuss different opinions without being jumped on.
Some believe the virus was here earlier than Feb; some don’t

De Gascun did say in March when we had 20K a day looking for tests that people had "other things". There are lots of viruses out there and quite a few with similar symptoms.

Plumbthedepths · 21-09-2020 04:01PM

Soldiers from many European countries took part the games in Wuhan last year, including our own.

http://iaba.ie/irish-army-deploy-bog-guns-world-military-games/

Non solum non ambulabit · 21-09-2020 04:01PM

Figures from UK today. Shows cases in under 10s are not growing as fast as the rest of the community. Reinforces that schools are not an issue for spread as these kids are mixing way more than everyone else yet they are not getting infected in anything like the numbers of older people, that are wearing masks and socially distancing.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 04:01PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Soldiers from many European countries took part the games in Wuhan last year, including our own.

http://iaba.ie/irish-army-deploy-bog-guns-world-military-games/

Christ you're asking for it now :pac::pac::pac::pac:

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