Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

harr · 20-09-2020 10:44AM

It seems contact tracing has gone tits up .. was speaking to a young lad this morning who’s football team have halted all activities because a player on the team has tested positive. The player in question had no symptoms and was working , training and playing games for nearly a week before HSE informed him he might have been in contact with a positive case .
None of his close contacts have been contacted yet by tracing, the club in question has suspended all activities and has told all players to get tested and to inform close contacts ..

pjohnson · 20-09-2020 10:47AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

People are picking apart the schools just because they believe they should be closed.

1) Schools aren’t closing - some need to get that into their heads.
2) If the kids were contacts, they would be feckin tested.

Yep. Be very interesting to see an open school with teachers outside striking.

niallo27 · 20-09-2020 10:48AM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

...."not needlessly extend their lives".

Says it all really.

That's the opinion of families, nursing home and doctors not the poster. Extending someone's lives is not always the right thing to do. This accounts for 1040 of our covid deaths.

20-09-2020 10:52AM

Peter Flynt wrote: »

...."not needlessly extend their lives".

Says it all really.

If you actually read what I wrote you would have seen I was talking about how the very old are treated when they get pneumonia, from any cause, not just Covid. It is humane to ease someone’s discomfort as the die rather than inflict needless invasive treatment that is not going to work.

is_that_so · 20-09-2020 11:06AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Is that not why we have drink driving laws. The risk is increased exponentially with each drink. How is it controlled and prohibited in one scenario but not in another.

The very act of having several pints decreases your risk perception.

That man clearly didn’t know he was soaking his drinking buddy. I’m sure he’d try not spit on him if he could see the video.

Same way a drink driver doesn’t know that they are not in control.

It's in an environment set up to be controlled and sure it can but far less risky IMO than a big family get together without drink.

is_that_so · 20-09-2020 11:07AM

harr wrote: »

It seems contact tracing has gone tits up .. was speaking to a young lad this morning who’s football team have halted all activities because a player on the team has tested positive. The player in question had no symptoms and was working , training and playing games for nearly a week before HSE informed him he might have been in contact with a positive case .
None of his close contacts have been contacted yet by tracing, the club in question has suspended all activities and has told all players to get tested and to inform close contacts ..

Ah my grandfather's fifth cousin's neighbour's story!

Boggles · 20-09-2020 11:17AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

1) Schools aren’t closing - some need to get that into their heads.

I think you need to re-calibrate your crystal ball you were saying the same thing about pubs and restaurants in Dublin on Thursday.

I wouldn't be predicting that schools won't close at some stage because it states it in some aspirational vague horse shít document.

Boggles · 20-09-2020 11:22AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Now if the teacher was not adhering to the guidelines that that judgement was based on, they should declare that when contact tracing is done.

You mean the "guidelines" that state there is no such thing as "airborne transmission"?

ACitizenErased · 20-09-2020 11:23AM

AdamD wrote: »

Sorry but this just seems blatantly untrue going off the stories coming out of schools.

Public health teams make a risk analysis? This is exactly what is happening. Why would they not test people? No reason not to.

Blondini · 20-09-2020 11:29AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

If they were contacts they’d be tested. You’d wanna calm down, you’re getting yourself worked up for no reason.

They should be tested by they are not in some cases. I know from personal experience.

Also, you're the only one worked up here, I can nearly feel your spittle through the screen.

harr · 20-09-2020 11:34AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Ah my grandfather's fifth cousin's neighbour's story!

What do you want a sworn statement... or maybe I should get the young lad to give you a ring himself.

is_that_so · 20-09-2020 11:37AM

harr wrote: »

What do you want a sworn statement... or maybe I should get the young lad to give you a ring himself.

It's an anecdote and not evidence of a widespread phenomenon, certainly not your "tits up" claim.

harr · 20-09-2020 11:39AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's an anecdote and not evidence of a widespread phenomenon, certainly not your "tits up" claim.

But it does show that contact tracing isn’t working like it should be ..

is_that_so · 20-09-2020 11:41AM

harr wrote: »

But it does show that contact tracing isn’t working like it should be ..

It shows one example of where it might not be, not that it's not. These stories appear regularly.

Newbienoob · 20-09-2020 11:43AM

One school in Tallaght currently with two confirmed cases of Corona in two different classes. One class all children sent home, the other only with my relative in it, the pod sent home. Why has the HSE made such discrepencies between both classes?
Plus the school went ahead with the Communion on Friday rushed prior to the new regulations of level 3, despite having two classes with confirmed cases, which was then celebrated and praised on RTE...ya couldn't make it up!!

Charles Babbage · 20-09-2020 11:49AM

Newbienoob wrote: »

One school in Tallaght currently with two confirmed cases of Corona in two different classes. One class all children sent home, the other only with my relative in it, the pod sent home. Why has the HSE made such discrepencies between both classes?
Plus the school went ahead with the Communion on Friday rushed prior to the new regulations of level 3, despite having two classes with confirmed cases, which was then celebrated and praised on RTE...ya couldn't make it up!!

Schools have different sizes of classroom a different response maybe needed for a crowded one than an uncrowded one.

Fr_Dougal · 20-09-2020 11:49AM

Newbienoob wrote: »

One school in Tallaght currently with two confirmed cases of Corona in two different classes. One class all children sent home, the other only with my relative in it, the pod sent home. Why has the HSE made such discrepencies between both classes?
Plus the school went ahead with the Communion on Friday rushed prior to the new regulations of level 3, despite having two classes with confirmed cases, which was then celebrated and praised on RTE...ya couldn't make it up!!

It’s grand sure, they can blame the cases on bars.

iamwhoiam · 20-09-2020 11:51AM

Newbienoob wrote: »

One school in Tallaght currently with two confirmed cases of Corona in two different classes. One class all children sent home, the other only with my relative in it, the pod sent home. Why has the HSE made such discrepencies between both classes?
Plus the school went ahead with the Communion on Friday rushed prior to the new regulations of level 3, despite having two classes with confirmed cases, which was then celebrated and praised on RTE...ya couldn't make it up!!

I heard Cillian de Gascun explain this a few days ago . He said the protocol for different age groups are different , the younger the children the less chance of spread so the treat each class in a slighlty different way regarding testing etc

And the school I think you are talking about are two different schools as such
The cases are in the senior school and Communion class in the junior school

is_that_so · 20-09-2020 11:53AM

Newbienoob wrote: »

One school in Tallaght currently with two confirmed cases of Corona in two different classes. One class all children sent home, the other only with my relative in it, the pod sent home. Why has the HSE made such discrepencies between both classes?
Plus the school went ahead with the Communion on Friday rushed prior to the new regulations of level 3, despite having two classes with confirmed cases, which was then celebrated and praised on RTE...ya couldn't make it up!!

The HSE are making public health calls on each one of these as they've repeatedly said so you can expect a lot more of these types of decisions.

iamwhoiam · 20-09-2020 11:54AM

antigravity2 wrote: »

same where I am, a child in the local playschool tests positive and the pod sent home. A child in a national school 8 miles away tests positive and the class are sent home. First communions went ahead yesterday and I saw a photo with approx 16 people in it from 5 different households on Facebook this morning. Same locality.

The protocol is different for different age groups and set out on advise from NEPHET

ACitizenErased · 20-09-2020 12:01PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The HSE are making public health calls on each one of these as they've repeatedly said so you can expect a lot more of these types of decisions.

This. Every single school/class is not going to have the same outcome. People need to realise that it’s not as simple as “someones positive”.

Newbienoob · 20-09-2020 12:10PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I heard Cillian de Gascun explain this a few days ago . He said the protocol for different age groups are different , the younger the children the less chance of spread so the treat each class in a slighlty different way regarding testing etc

And the school I think you are talking about are two different schools as such
The cases are in the senior school and Communion class in the junior school

No it's 4th and 5th Class in the same school.

iamwhoiam · 20-09-2020 12:11PM

Newbienoob wrote: »

No it's 4th and 5th Class in the same school.

The cases are in the Senior side . The Communion on the junior side .

Newbienoob · 20-09-2020 12:13PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The HSE are making public health calls on each one of these as they've repeatedly said so you can expect a lot more of these types of decisions.

Yes the worry is they are making it up as they go along. I'm wondering was it a case of not wanting 2 classes from one school sent home, to avoid panic or the sceptic in me thinks anything to avoid drawing attention to the covid crisis in school. This was 4th and 5th class both similar sizes exact same school.
Even more worrying why would they go ahead with a Communion? It's i
infuriating and surely against legislation?

Newbienoob · 20-09-2020 12:14PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The cases are in the Senior side . The Communion on the junior side .

Families of siblings in those classes attended. And the staff? Certainly not safe or in line with protocol. A serious breech!

is_that_so · 20-09-2020 12:24PM

Newbienoob wrote: »

Yes the worry is they are making it up as they go along. I'm wondering was it a case of not wanting 2 classes from one school sent home, to avoid panic or the sceptic in me thinks anything to avoid drawing attention to the covid crisis in school. This was 4th and 5th class both similar sizes exact same school.
Even more worrying why would they go ahead with a Communion? It's i
infuriating and surely against legislation?

If they review each situation they are probably not making it up. A positive case can have different outcomes for others. It wasn't illegal at that point and I'd imagine it was to get it over with. One would assume they talked to the parents first.

20-09-2020 12:31PM

Newbienoob wrote: »

Families of siblings in those classes attended. And the staff? Certainly not safe or in line with protocol. A serious breech!

That one should be taken up with the Catholic Church. Department of Ed are not responsible for religious indoctrination

20-09-2020 12:37PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That one should be taken up with the Catholic Church. Department of Ed are not responsible for religious indoctrination

I think Archbishop Diarmuid Martin is going to be speaking about all of this shortly on Radio 1.

political analyst · 20-09-2020 12:38PM

Young people who gather at house parties or at raves are being blamed for spreading the virus. But vulnerable people - those with cystic fibrosis and under underlying health problems and the elderly - are maintaining distance from other people. So how is it possible for young people who break the rules to transmit the virus to vulnerable people?

xhomelezz · 20-09-2020 12:40PM

political analyst wrote: »

Young people who gather at house parties or at raves are being blamed for spreading the virus. But vulnerable people - those with cystic fibrosis and under underlying health problems and the elderly - are maintaining distance from other people. So how is it possible for young people who break the rules to transmit the virus to vulnerable people?

Are they going back home?

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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