Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Deleted User wrote: »

I don’t think the government care about the economy or anything anymore. Covid is now the only issue.

At least Dublin will now prove that lockdown doesn’t work.

Lockdown is like social distancing. Both work, been proven to work, but when people disregard either or both... that’s when things get bad, are getting bad.

Deleted User wrote: »

I don’t think the government care about the economy or anything anymore. Covid is now the only issue.

At least Dublin will now prove that lockdown doesn’t work.

Unless they waited til the case numbers were stabilizing anyway,(because of government dithering) which makes it easier to push cases down with restrictions, then they will say oh look what works... really depends on whether kids, they transmit onwards or not, at a rate that increases household and community(we don't know where it comes from at all because we are not funded enough to be able to check) cases.

Strumms wrote: »

Lockdown is like social distancing. Both work, been proven to work, but when people disregard either or both... that’s when things get bad, are getting bad.

They haven't been proven at all. If the cases correlate with assumptions we say 'proven' and if they don't correlate with assumptions we say 'oh people didn't lock down properly'.

Un-falsifiable. No objective criteria. No matter what happens it will be interpreted away.

John O.Groats wrote: »

Only if too many ****ing morons ignore the restrictions and continue to hold house parties etc. and ignore mask wearing and social distancing which has largely contributed to the situation that Dublin now finds itself in.

Listen I fully agree with masks but nobody wore them during the summer and our cases plummeted so I don't think the tiny minority not wearing them now is a major cause of cases rising. So if people still have house parties do we continue to leave 50k people out of work or do we change tact.

growleaves wrote: »

They haven't been proven at all. If the cases correlate with assumptions we say 'proven' and if they don't correlate with assumptions we say 'oh people didn't lock down properly'.

Un-falsifiable. No objective criteria. No matter what happens it will be interpreted away.

Its been proven in a number of countries.People listening to too much Ivor Cummins. The people who argue that their was no point in doing a lockdown as cases will just trend upwards when you open up I can understand but a better scenario is lockdown's of some sort at different stages to slow down transmission and by time for a vaccine and better treatment. Its very hard economically socially and mentally for people nut the alternative of just letting the virus spread hasn't worked either and is highly likely to much worse as seen in Belarus and Sweden. Theirs a reason the UK changed their initial approach, the virus is more serious that they anticipated and nothing has changed.

John O.Groats wrote: »

Facts are hardly an excuse. Well maybe they are for your brigade.

You don't have facts, you have simple cause and effect assumptions which have become the mental furniture in the living room of your mind.

You view things through the prism of these assumptions so considering that they might not be true never even comes up.

And by the way, NPHET themselves have not made definite claims like the ones on this thread. A few weeks before masks were made mandatory an expert from NPHET said the evidence around masks was "not fantastic".

NPHET are simply going with they believe is the best theory or set of theories because they were given a remit to take action to prevent covid.

It is only Joe Public, with no understanding of the rigorous standards of scientific proof, who claims that lockdown, social distancing and masks are proven facts like gravity.

AdamD wrote: »

Are we ignoring the elephant in the room that kids could be asymptomatically spreading this around the classroom, then bringing it home, causing a large increase in cases? Even without large increases in kids testing positive, they could still drive increases.

Kids have been testing positive at 0.5%. That's over 4 times less than the average positivity rate.
They are disproportionately being brought for testing because of all the usual sniffles they get from going back to school.

If schools were a huge transmitter, kids would be testing positive at much higher rates than the rest of the population.

Juwwi wrote: »

I disagree with all of that .

The government are clearly worried about the economy.

Its the lads who run from the pubs to bookies with no mask or hand sanitizer in sight that don't care about the economy .

The idiots who get on the bus with a mask on and then pull it down when they sit down that don't care about the economy .

The protests in Dublin against the government asking everyone to turn around and shake hands with the person beside you .

So the whole economy is based on a tiny minority of people who are acting like fools, we have no plan B, it doesn't matter if 99% of people comply with the restrictions.

niallo27 wrote: »

In fairness they have done 4 weeks work the poor little sods. They need a break.

They need a good fung up the hole.

Ridiculous carry on from them.

Let them strike till the cows come home.

Hego Damask wrote: »

What are they striking about ? that they have to work during all this ?
What do they want ? the whole 20/21 academic year off with full pay ?

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Among the issues of concern are physical distancing in schools, provision of PPE, definition of close contacts as well as testing and the turnaround times for those tests.

There is also concern over the provisions that are being made for high-risk staff members.

The ASTI said IT resources for students and teachers to facilitate remote teaching and learning is also a matter of concern.