Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Ficheall · 19-09-2020 08:41PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

So. If the Dublin lockdown has no major impact on cases, what's next? If it does have a good impact on figures, we open up again. And cases go back up. What's next. How is this 'living with the virus'?

The dubs will spread it around the rest of the country while they're in level 3, so that Dublin will no longer stick out as problematic, and people will stop calling for something to be done about it.

Happydays2020 · 19-09-2020 08:43PM

How many ICU beds will be added to capacity?

How many additional hospital beds?

How many tests will actually be performed?

Will serial testing in risk areas continue to be suspended?

If private bed capacity is bought. Will it actually be used this time?

Have we achieved the optimum contact tracing time?

What the hell have the HSE and NPHET been doing for the last six months between their weekly finger wagging.

BringBackMick · 19-09-2020 08:45PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

We certainly can have a rational discussion. Provide any data you have that supports your made-up theory that kids are causing the virus to spread, and I'll happily discuss with you.

Look at Nolan's post on twitter, replace his reference to pubs/restaurants with schools and increase the amounts of interactions and lack of distancing in those settings./

Everybody wants kids to be in school, it is necessary for our survival.

However, it is hard to deny that it is very likely there is asymptomatic children bringing the virus home to family.

spookwoman · 19-09-2020 08:47PM

caveat emptor · 19-09-2020 08:48PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Yeah, it doesn't feel like there's any plan. To be honest, I think NPHET just want to go back to full lockdown. They are taking a very narrow view of the world.

What do you think happens when infection goes out of control? Everyone will get sick.

Teachers won’t teach.
Utilities won’t function
Hospitals won’t be open for normal procedures and people will die unnecessarily (far more for reasons other than covid)

Lockdown is not some sadistic fantasy.

Polar101 · 19-09-2020 08:48PM

growleaves wrote: »

If cases go up and deaths don't do we admit the virus has weakened? (Answer: No)

Or alternatively, if cases go up and deaths do as well, do we admit the virus has not weakened? (Answer: No)

I reckon we'll have to wait a while to have enough data to make reliable comparisons, even though some of the numbers are promising.

ACitizenErased · 19-09-2020 08:51PM

Lads, the plan is very clear.

We're living with it.
But we're not.
But some are.
And some aren't.
And screw the levels.
Add a .5 to the end of it.
Feck the restaurants, cafes and pubs.
But we're living with it.

See?

BringBackMick · 19-09-2020 08:57PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Lads, the plan is very clear.

We're living with it.
But we're not.
But some are.
And some aren't.
And screw the levels.
Add a .5 to the end of it.
Feck the restaurants, cafes and pubs.
But we're living with it.

See?

Only saving grace was today's numbers weren't the worst and thinks seem relatively stable last 4 or 5 days?

MerlinSouthDub · 19-09-2020 08:58PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

What do you think happens when infection goes out of control? Everyone will get sick.

Teachers won’t teach.
Utilities won’t function
Hospitals won’t be open for normal procedures and people will die unnecessarily (far more for reasons other than covid)

Lockdown is not some sadistic fantasy.

I didn't suggest it was. NPHET are well intentioned, but they don't have a long term plan. The only long term plans that I can see are elimination of the virus or the Sweden approach to living with the virus. There are good arguments for both. But we (and most of Europe) can't or won't pick between these two approaches, and we are just stumbling along.

froog · 19-09-2020 09:02PM

what exactly are the garda checkpoints in dublin doing if they can't force people not to travel?

podgeandrodge · 19-09-2020 09:04PM

froog wrote: »

what exactly are the garda checkpoints in dublin doing if they can't force people not to travel?

Relying on the natural inclination of people not to want to have to explain something that they shouldn't be doing!

froog · 19-09-2020 09:08PM

teachers talking about strikes.

smellyoldboot · 19-09-2020 09:10PM

The narrative around children has been funny itself. First they were super-spreaders and weren't even allowed in shops. Then they were immune to CoVid, then as September approached and their attendance at school became critical to the economy the situation is : they can catch it but not be affected by it, oh btw they are likely to contract the virus at home where in some cases they only see mam and dad than in the school environment where they sit shoulder to shoulder with 30 others for 7 hours a day.

Make sense?

humberklog · 19-09-2020 09:12PM

I've been following Denmark as a comparative to Ireland since the beginning of the outbreak. Whilst DK got off to a shaky start (skiing holiday returnees being blamed) they were really quick at getting a handle on it and would be one of the best in class in the EU with regards to infections and deaths. However in the last couple of weeks their infection rates are way higher than hours. Over 500 today and figures regularly over 300. Their deaths are still very low.

I suppose schools going back is causing a big jump up. This was a country that took it seriously from the start and got great results in keeping figures low. 'Tis a slippery little fukcer of a virus.

John O.Groats · 19-09-2020 09:14PM

doc22 wrote: »

Exactly, What else opened in September that wasn't open in August.

The Dail but I doubt that contributed much to the spread of the virus.

podgeandrodge · 19-09-2020 09:15PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

The narrative around children has been funny itself. First they were super-spreaders and weren't even allowed in shops. Then they were immune to CoVid, then as September approached and their attendance at school became critical to the economy the situation is : they can catch it but not be affected by it, oh btw they are likely to contract the virus at home where in some cases they only see mam and dad than in the school environment where they sit shoulder to shoulder with 30 others for 7 hours a day.

Make sense?

When you put it like that!

DebDynamite · 19-09-2020 09:21PM

humberklog wrote: »

I've been following Denmark as a comparative to Ireland since the beginning of the outbreak. Whilst DK got off to a shaky start (skiing holiday returnees being blamed) they were really quick at getting a handle on it and would be one of the best in class in the EU with regards to infections and deaths. However in the last couple of weeks their infection rates are way higher than hours. Over 500 today and figures regularly over 300. Their deaths are still very low.

I suppose schools going back is causing a big jump up. This was a country that took it seriously from the start and got great results in keeping figures low. 'Tis a slippery little fukcer of a virus.

If you’ve been following Denmark, you’d know they reopened their schools all the way back in May.

JP Liz V1 · 19-09-2020 09:26PM

Have we heard of any positive cases from golfgate, the big golf Oireachtas event?

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 19-09-2020 09:27PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Exactly. Cases have been increasing for the last 2 months. No evidence that opening schools has made that worse. The anti children agenda is quite weird, to be honest.

You seem intent on shutting down any discussion concerning the role of schools in the increase in cases, with this anti children bull****. If someone questioned whether restaurants were contributing to the increase would you frame it as anti-diner? Or meat factories, would that be anti meat factory workers rhetoric? Stop being so hysterical.

I do not think it is unreasonable to question whether if in a community where case numbers are already rising, that shoving hundreds or thousands of pupils indoors for hours each day, where social distancing is nothing but a charade in a lot of cases, where it is more likely that those infected will be asymptomatic and where there are obvious shortfalls in contacting tracing, that maybe, just maybe, this has steathly contributed to the rise in cases seen

humberklog · 19-09-2020 09:28PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

If you’ve been following Denmark, you’d know they reopened their schools all the way back in May.

More just on the numbers is where I've been looking. I know nothing of Denmark, been once (which was enough). Interesting about schools going back in May.

What Username Guidelines · 19-09-2020 09:29PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

If you’ve been following Denmark, you’d know they reopened their schools all the way back in May.

Personally I don’t believe kids are immune or that schools are some magical place where it doesn’t spread, but I can’t see the current rise in cases tied to reopening schools, as it’s likely too soon.

They’ve been back 3 weeks now and for them to pick it up, become infectious, and pass it around to family and vulnerable to the point where they then become sick and end up in hospital or icu is too small a window in that time, given we’ve seen a big increase in the last 7-10 days.

19-09-2020 09:31PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

So. If the Dublin lockdown has no major impact on cases, what's next? If it does have a good impact on figures, we open up again. And cases go back up. What's next. How is this 'living with the virus'?

Country goes to level 3, Dublin to level 4, for 3 weeks. I think that there’s a good chance of that TBH

DebDynamite · 19-09-2020 09:33PM

humberklog wrote: »

More just on the numbers is where I've been looking. I know nothing of Denmark, been once (which was enough). Interesting about schools going back in May.

There was an Irish guy working as a teacher in Denmark who would talk to Matt Cooper on The Last Word the odd time back then. It all just sounded so positive. Given where we were in our own lockdown at that stage, it sounded like a dream that we could get to where they were.

Happydays2020 · 19-09-2020 09:46PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Have we heard of any positive cases from golfgate, the big golf Oireachtas event?

There are very very long odds against. Low risk situation.

niallo27 · 19-09-2020 09:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Country goes to level 3, Dublin to level 4, for 3 weeks. I think that there’s a good chance of that TBH

Any thought for the economy in all this.

19-09-2020 09:50PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Any thought for the economy in all this.

I don’t think the government care about the economy or anything anymore. Covid is now the only issue.

At least Dublin will now prove that lockdown doesn’t work.

ACitizenErased · 19-09-2020 09:51PM

Looks like there's been a couple of discharges from ICU today, going by the hub, good news.
We shall see in the update later on.

Hawthorn Tree · 19-09-2020 09:52PM

froog wrote: »

teachers talking about strikes.

Not a bit surprised.

declanflynn · 19-09-2020 09:55PM

froog wrote: »

teachers talking about strikes.

Didn't take them long to have their hands out for more €, even after 6 months holidays with full pay, hope the government tell them where to go.

Hawthorn Tree · 19-09-2020 09:56PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Look at Nolan's post on twitter, replace his reference to pubs/restaurants with schools and increase the amounts of interactions and lack of distancing in those settings./

Everybody wants kids to be in school, it is necessary for our survival.

However, it is hard to deny that it is very likely there is asymptomatic children bringing the virus home to family.

I keep hearing the school buses are a major problem. CIE as inept as usual. They are packed. No social distancing.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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