Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

19-09-2020 07:06PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

So even if the kids haven't tested positive, haven't any symptoms and probably don't have Covid, you're going to blame them anyway?

I'm not blaming anyone. Can we not have a rational discussion without moving to this kind of language? Covid isn't anyone's fault

doc22 · 19-09-2020 07:07PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

It's not even a could be. All the data since schools returned suggests this is exactly what's occurring but there is too much political/economic skin in the game of schools returning to even investigate this.

Exactly, What else opened in September that wasn't open in August.

Roger_007 · 19-09-2020 07:07PM

Boggles wrote: »

Nolan said last night at least 13 of the 17 deaths were not from care homes or facilities, they came from the community.

I wonder how many of them were in the possible/probable category?

MerlinSouthDub · 19-09-2020 07:08PM

AdamD wrote: »

I'm not blaming anyone. Can we not have a rational discussion without moving to this kind of language? Covid isn't anyone's fault

We certainly can have a rational discussion. Provide any data you have that supports your made-up theory that kids are causing the virus to spread, and I'll happily discuss with you.

caveat emptor · 19-09-2020 07:10PM

AdamD wrote: »

I'm not blaming anyone. Can we not have a rational discussion without moving to this kind of language? Covid isn't anyone's fault

People’s livelihoods are at stake so a balanced discussion about what is best for the country is invariably coloured by people’s own circumstance. 100% understandable that people using here as a soap box.

tom1ie · 19-09-2020 07:13PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Dolphins barn on hyper local lockdown.

https://twitter.com/jftaxi/status/1307391709169553410?s=21

Photo shoot.

prunudo · 19-09-2020 07:15PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Photo shoot.

And just pisses off normal people going about their normal Saturday business.

JojoLoca · 19-09-2020 07:15PM

billybonkers wrote: »

How do we do that? Lock them away? Have no one care for them?

They are locking young and healthy at the moment. Is that the best solution you think?

tom1ie · 19-09-2020 07:16PM

doc22 wrote: »

Exactly, What else opened in September that wasn't open in August.

What about the possibility Covid was building in the community before schools opened and has now reached a critical level where we are seeing high numbers not necessarily due to schools?

quartz1 · 19-09-2020 07:17PM

I am not in to conspiracy theories and no agenda. I know that children need to be in school for lots of very valid reasons but is it possible that the virus is going to be carried into homes and transmitted to family members.
Are we going to discover in a few weeks that if Schools remain open that our ability to halt the spread is doomed . By the time this conclusion is reached potentially the virus will be even more embedded . There's no easy answers I accept.

MerlinSouthDub · 19-09-2020 07:17PM

tom1ie wrote: »

What about the possibility Covid was building in the community before schools opened and has now reached a critical level where we are seeing high numbers not necessarily due to schools?

Exactly. Cases have been increasing for the last 2 months. No evidence that opening schools has made that worse. The anti children agenda is quite weird, to be honest.

tom1ie · 19-09-2020 07:18PM

quartz1 wrote: »

I am not in to conspiracy theories and no agenda. I know that children need to be in school for lots of very valid reasons but is it possible that the virus is going to be carried into homes and transmitted to family members.
Are we going to discover in a few weeks that if Schools remain open that our ability to halt the spread is doomed . By the time this conclusion is reached potentially the virus will be even more embedded . There's no easy answers I accept.

Well, what countries have had schools back much earlier than us?
Surely that will show us how this trends no?

tom1ie · 19-09-2020 07:19PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Exactly. Cases have been increasing for the last 2 months. No evidence that opening schools has made that worse. The anti children agenda is quite weird, to be honest.

Weird indeed.
In this thread it’s quite normal!

spookwoman · 19-09-2020 07:19PM

19-09-2020 07:20PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Exactly. Cases have been increasing for the last 2 months. No evidence that opening schools has made that worse. The anti children agenda is quite weird, to be honest.

Anti children agenda? Jesus christ you're having a conversation with yourself at this point

MerlinSouthDub · 19-09-2020 07:22PM

AdamD wrote: »

Anti children agenda? Jesus christ you're having a conversation with yourself at this point

Just produce the data to support your theory. Thanks.

quartz1 · 19-09-2020 07:22PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Well, what countries have had schools back much earlier than us?
Surely that will show us how this trends no?

Absolutely you are correct but are their family systems similiar to ours. Driving through town recently I couldn't help notice how many Grandparents were collecting or walking kids home from school. I am also aware how much the kids would suffer if the schools were closed. It's a serious problem

screamer · 19-09-2020 07:22PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Well, what countries have had schools back much earlier than us?
Surely that will show us how this trends no?

Scotland, Germany two I can think of.
I think complacency is more to blame than schools being back. I even remember in August the car park at the local book shop being jammers with people in getting school books and supplies, which these days can be bought online. I think people are just so desperate to get their old lives back, they’re just going on as normal, but we can’t go back to normal till this thing burns itself out or we get vaccines. The quicker people reconcile themselves to that, the quicker it’ll be over.

ExMachina1000 · 19-09-2020 07:23PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Who are we supposed to compare ourselves to so, any country in Europe maybe.

We can compare ourselves to how the situation looked here last week.

tom1ie · 19-09-2020 07:24PM

quartz1 wrote: »

Absolutely you are correct but are their family systems similiar to ours. Driving through town recently I couldn't help notice how many Grandparents were collecting or walking kids home from school. I am also aware how much the kids would suffer if the schools were closed. It's a serious problem

It is indeed.
But I imagine in the country where schools opened early (Iceland?) they have grandparents collecting kids or not even collecting them but coming into contact with the kids during the week/weekend were they would be in the crosshairs of c19.

SPDUB · 19-09-2020 07:26PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Dolphins barn on hyper local lockdown.

https://twitter.com/jftaxi/status/1307391709169553410?s=21

Given the area I'm fairly certain that has a dual purpose

tom1ie · 19-09-2020 07:28PM

screamer wrote: »

Scotland, Germany two I can think of.
I think complacency is more to blame than schools being back. I even remember in August the car park at the local book shop being jammers with people in getting school books and supplies, which these days can be bought online. I think people are just so desperate to get their old lives back, they’re just going on as normal, but we can’t go back to normal till this thing burns itself out or we get vaccines. The quicker people reconcile themselves to that, the quicker it’ll be over.

Yeah I think it is complacency tbh.
But again virus won’t burn out (herd immunity) until 70% and hopefully we get a vaccine by next year at some stage and then hopefully uptake is above 70% globally.

screamer · 19-09-2020 07:28PM

I can’t find the numbers in Scotland for schools but here’s what I could find:

School education
On Wednesday 16 September 2020, provisional figures show that:

There were 10,000 pupils absent either for all or part of the school day because of COVID-19 related reasons.
The overall attendance rate at local authority primary, secondary and special schools was 93.3%
% of school openings where pupils were not in school for COVID-19 related reasons was 1.4%, and for non COVID -19 related reasons was 5.3%.

podgeandrodge · 19-09-2020 07:38PM

So. If the Dublin lockdown has no major impact on cases, what's next? If it does have a good impact on figures, we open up again. And cases go back up. What's next. How is this 'living with the virus'?

MerlinSouthDub · 19-09-2020 07:40PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

So. If the Dublin lockdown has no major impact on cases, what's next? If it does have a good impact on figures, we open up again. And cases go back up. What's next. How is this 'living with the virus'?

Yeah, it doesn't feel like there's any plan. To be honest, I think NPHET just want to go back to full lockdown. They are taking a very narrow view of the world.

growleaves · 19-09-2020 07:40PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

So. If the Dublin lockdown has no major impact on cases, what's next? If it does have a good impact on figures, we open up again. And cases go back up. What's next. How is this 'living with the virus'?

If cases go up and deaths don't do we admit the virus has weakened? (Answer: No)

Ficheall · 19-09-2020 07:41PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

So. If the Dublin lockdown has no major impact on cases, what's next? If it does have a good impact on figures, we open up again. And cases go back up. What's next. How is this 'living with the virus'?

The dubs will spread it around the rest of the country while they're in level 3, so that Dublin will no longer stick out as problematic, and people will stop calling for something to be done about it.

Happydays2020 · 19-09-2020 07:43PM

How many ICU beds will be added to capacity?

How many additional hospital beds?

How many tests will actually be performed?

Will serial testing in risk areas continue to be suspended?

If private bed capacity is bought. Will it actually be used this time?

Have we achieved the optimum contact tracing time?

What the hell have the HSE and NPHET been doing for the last six months between their weekly finger wagging.

BringBackMick · 19-09-2020 07:45PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

We certainly can have a rational discussion. Provide any data you have that supports your made-up theory that kids are causing the virus to spread, and I'll happily discuss with you.

Look at Nolan's post on twitter, replace his reference to pubs/restaurants with schools and increase the amounts of interactions and lack of distancing in those settings./

Everybody wants kids to be in school, it is necessary for our survival.

However, it is hard to deny that it is very likely there is asymptomatic children bringing the virus home to family.

spookwoman · 19-09-2020 07:47PM

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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