Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

prunudo · 19-09-2020 07:22PM

I suspect the reason they've stopped releasing the ages of the current death and simply adding them to the total is to stop the perception that its only serious and deadly to older people.
They need to keep people on board with the seriousness of it, by announcing another 3 people in their 80s has passed away, right or wrongly will dilute the message for the people they're trying to get on board.
Ultimately, and I've said before, these latest restrictions won't make a blind bit of difference because the people who have been sticking to the guidelines will still do so, its the minority who are having large gatherings and not taking even the minimum of precautions will contuine to do so with not a care for anyone else.

Dionaibh · 19-09-2020 07:23PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Austria and Spain

Thanks. That Spain is ridiculous with its helicopters flying around telling people to go home. I didn't know about Austria.

JP Liz V1 · 19-09-2020 07:24PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Balbriggan includes skerries where there was an outbreak with loads of teenagers on ticktok.

I think I'm with Trump on closing down TikTok

Dionaibh · 19-09-2020 07:24PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Parts of UK, Australia, etc have all had restrictions reimposed to some degree

It's frightening what's going on in Victoria. That Andrews guy is out of control.

Dionaibh · 19-09-2020 07:25PM

prunudo wrote: »

I suspect the reason they've stopped releasing the ages of the current death and simply adding them to the total is to stop the perception that its only serious and deadly to older people.
They need to keep people on board with the seriousness of it, by announcing another 3 people in their 80s has passed away, right or wrongly will dilute the message for the people they're trying yo get on board.

So more dishonesty

prunudo · 19-09-2020 07:26PM

Dionaibh wrote: »

So more dishonesty

More being efficient with the truth.

19-09-2020 07:27PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

It's the wrong way to look at it. You should count deaths by a time frame and not just singular days. Deaths happen around 6-10 weeks of having covid so 300 cases today doesn't mean there will be 6 deaths today. Look at Spain, 400 deaths, this virus hasn't weakened.

Is 20 days equal to 6 weeks. Because that’s the mean time

niallo27 · 19-09-2020 07:28PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Parts of UK, Australia, etc have all had restrictions reimposed to some degree

Ya parts of UK you can't get a pint after 10pm, that's what they call restrictions reimposed there.

caveat emptor · 19-09-2020 07:29PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

That's about half right. You go ask a bank for a loan, yes they create this money in the modern system, it doesn't come from existing deposits, or at least they get this money a central bank who has gotten it from a larger again entity who ultimately creates the money from "thin air" as it is.

Unfortunately when times get tough these entities start to say no, why would we create more for you, you have X amount outstanding that is unlikely to be paid back, the bank at the bottom of the chain then says no to new customers and gas to chase up those non paying customers often with no success, so no lending can occur, investment decreases only those with cash reserves can play the game and economies shrink.

So while money can be created, it just won't be indefinitely.

Sure.....

https://twitter.com/schuldensuehner/status/1307355612959866882?s=21

ilovesmybrick · 19-09-2020 07:30PM

Dionaibh wrote: »

Thanks. That Spain is ridiculous with its helicopters flying around telling people to go home. I didn't know about Austria.

There's nothing of the sort in Austria. They are increasing some of the restrictions on catering and gatherings from Monday, but they're donig their best to avoid another lockdown, despite a far greater increase in cases.

Polar101 · 19-09-2020 07:31PM

Dionaibh wrote: »

Out of interest, apart from Ireland and the UK, are there any other countries in the world where the people are being threatened with more and more lockdowns? Israel is the only other one I can think of.

Denmark seems to be heading in that direction (not nationwide), but they've only gone to what I'd say is Ireland's level 2 at the moment. They had a record number of cases today (589, population 5.8 million).

But if you were making the point that very few countries are _currently_ moving towards lockdowns, I'd probably agree.

ExMachina1000 · 19-09-2020 07:34PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Parts of UK, Australia, etc have all had restrictions reimposed to some degree

France also

Jim_Hodge · 19-09-2020 07:39PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Ya parts of UK you can't get a pint after 10pm, that's what they call restrictions reimposed there.

Not doing their numbers much good though.

ExMachina1000 · 19-09-2020 07:40PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Ya parts of UK you can't get a pint after 10pm, that's what they call restrictions reimposed there.

You can get a pint here until 11 o clock

igCorcaigh · 19-09-2020 07:41PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Ya parts of UK you can't get a pint after 10pm, that's what they call restrictions reimposed there.

Would it not make better sense to extend opening hours to reduce density while giving businesses the chance to increase revenue?

TonyMaloney · 19-09-2020 07:43PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Denmark seems to be heading in that direction (not nationwide), but they've only gone to what I'd say is Ireland's level 2 at the moment. They had a record number of cases today (589, population 5.8 million).

But if you were making the point that very few countries are _currently_ moving towards lockdowns, I'd probably agree.

Really?

I'm struggling to think of many countries that aren't facing, or are currently living with, harsh restrictions

niallo27 · 19-09-2020 07:44PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

You can get a pint here until 11 o clock

Not in counties that are in lockdown, I'm comparing lockdowns between here and the UK.

Klonker · 19-09-2020 07:46PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Is there any records of the deaths from September, the mean age, did they go to hospital. Its important to know how deadly this diseases actually is.

George Lee said 3 quarters of the 20 deaths in September didn't go to hospital. I don't know where he got the stats from.

prunudo · 19-09-2020 07:47PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Would it not make better sense to extend opening hours to reduce density while giving businesses the chance to increase revenue?

I just don't understand the logic in closing early, you'd just encouraging a greater volume of people all leaving premise and congregating on the streets.
Likewise closing pubs and restaurants in Dublin, the people who were planning on meeting up this weekend will still do so, except now they'll do it in the uncontrolled environments of private homes.

Gruffalux · 19-09-2020 07:48PM

Klonker wrote: »

George Lee said 3 quarters of the 20 deaths in September didn't go to hospital. I don't know where he got the stats from.

Only a small percentage of the Covid deaths in March-June took place in hospital.

ExMachina1000 · 19-09-2020 07:48PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Not in counties that are in lockdown, I'm comparing lockdowns between here and the UK.

No you said restrictions.
.

Boggles · 19-09-2020 07:48PM

Nolan said last night at least 13 of the 17 deaths were not from care homes or facilities, they came from the community.

niallo27 · 19-09-2020 07:48PM

Klonker wrote: »

George Lee said 3 quarters of the 20 deaths in September didn't go to hospital. I don't know where he got the stats from.

58% of all deaths didn't even go to hospital, what is that telling you. Their lives didn't even matter enough to try extend them by bringing them to hospital or were they gone too far already.

niallo27 · 19-09-2020 07:49PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

No you said restrictions.
.

Well do you think dublin is in lockdown or does it have restrictions.

spookwoman · 19-09-2020 07:51PM

Jim_Hodge · 19-09-2020 07:52PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Well do you think dublin is in lockdown or does it have restrictions.

Restrictions.

ExMachina1000 · 19-09-2020 07:52PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Well do you think dublin is in lockdown or does it have restrictions.

Restrictions

They are two different countries with different infection rates, demographics, population density, governments, laws, rules , etc etc etc

Even lockdowns in the UK mean different things with different restrictions in different areas.

It's like comparing an apple to a steering wheel

19-09-2020 07:57PM

Are we ignoring the elephant in the room that kids could be asymptomatically spreading this around the classroom, then bringing it home, causing a large increase in cases? Even without large increases in kids testing positive, they could still drive increases.

niallo27 · 19-09-2020 07:59PM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Restrictions

They are two different countries with different infection rates, demographics, population density, governments, laws, rules , etc etc etc

Even lockdowns in the UK mean different things with different restrictions in different areas.

It's like comparing an apple to a steering wheel

Ok let's compare restrictions they put in place in Manchester compared to ones in Dublin. Very close to each other, one place has restaurants closed and pubs never even opened and the other set a curfew of 10pm

ExMachina1000 · 19-09-2020 08:01PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Ok let's compare restrictions they put in place in Manchester compared to ones in Dublin. Very close to each other, one place has restaurants closed and pubs never even opened and the other set a curfew of 10pm

They aren't in the same country!

It's not a comparison

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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