Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Ficheall wrote: »

So me getting and passing it on to my family could reduce the overall percentage of community transmission cases..

(Edit: not disagreeing with you that that's how it's done.)

I believe that's how it's classed. Clusters have to come from somewhere and it's why community spread is a serious issue.

Thierry12 wrote: »

We don't test 0-14

We would need to mass test them like care home staff, hospital staff etc to see that % tick up

We have been for the past month.

Instances of the virus detected in that age group has nearly doubled.

If it turns out they are actually able to spread it more than is alleged.

Then they will have to rethink the schools.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What do you mean we don't test 0-14,

A 14mt old was sent for a test in my daughters creche, my mates daughter was tested and she's only about 10mts old.
If it can move it's tested regardless of age...
We should not be sticking that thing up young kids noses..

We dont 'mass' test kids, only if they show symptoms or are close contacts. Thankfully they are bringing in nasal swab testing not like up into deepest recesses np tests for kids.

Think of how many kids might asymtomatic, maybe some mass testing of some classes might help give and idea of prevalence?

Wolf359f wrote: »

If schools are driving cases even before they were opened, how come we can't see an noticeable spike in the % of cases in the 0-14 age range?
If they are driving cases, you would expect to see an increase in the % of cases in those age ranges.

I really like your colorful graphic Did you do it yourself? Well done.

Surely instead of shutting business down, left, right and centre and costing economy billions, it would be better to invest in resources that equips businesses to be as safe as possible, which includes investment in better ventilation systems, support for outdoor dining areas that can be used during the winter etc?

Spend money on a more robust testing and tracing system that increases capacity while alleviating pressure on our already stretched lab teams who have the world on the shoulders, and identify the places in which the virus is prevalent. Talk to countries that are containing pandemic and not experiencing resurgence, and implement their recommendations as best as is possible, we need to learn from others. Ramp up funding for research which looks at prevalence of virus in areas by studying sewage system samples. Throw the sink at it and then we can truly live with the virus. If NPHET and relevant sub-committees ask for more resources, give it to them, whether that's more personnel or funding, be proactive. Fund our health service, help our frontline workers, stop paying lip service!!.

Sure it's going to cost a lot of money, but so will this never-ending uncertainty and restrictions.

How is it possible that people can be so dim ???

It isn't complicated,

You could have the virus (but not have any symptoms) and be infecting the people you are in contact with.
However, you may never know, because you haven't been tested.

Therefore, limit contacts for the time being.

speckle wrote: »

I really like your colorful graphic Did you do it yourself? Well done.

Yeah. When people say schools were causing the spread weeks before they were opened, I was curious.

BringBackMick wrote: »

Surely the elephant in the room is the schools.

When did they open up? When did our cases begin to surge?

Nobody in political life seems brave enough to call this out

The surge happened at the beginning of August, so not connected to the schools at all.

Wolf359f wrote: »

If schools are driving cases even before they were opened, how come we can't see an noticeable spike in the % of cases in the 0-14 age range?
If they are driving cases, you would expect to see an increase in the % of cases in those age ranges.

Why would you expect to see an appreciable increase in those age ranges ?
Are you assuming that CARRIERS in that age range would show symptoms en masse ?

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Well if their dying wish is to have their entire family there then perhaps they should hold their funeral in their school.

It would still be subject to the restrictions that funerals are subject too though.

Curious_Case wrote: »

How is it possible that people can be so dim ???

It isn't complicated,

You could have the virus (but not have any symptoms) and be infecting the people you are in contact with.
However, you may never know, because you haven't been tested.

Therefore, limit contacts for the time being.

Whats the time being, 3 weeks, 3 months, a year, until a vaccine comes.

Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 19 September @ 8:00 hrs CET



The numbers of reported positive cases in Europe now appear to be higher than they were at the height of the first wave.

France and Spain are the major contributors, with worrying increases in the Czech Republic, Romania, The Nederlands and the UK.

The sawtooth graph recently is due to the fact that Spain (yellow) does not report over the weekends, leading to a huge figure on Mondays.

Very worrying developments...

Clickable larger version here :- https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Curious_Case wrote: »

Your point was that they could have more funeral attendees in a school !!!

Go back and read it.
It wasn't.

Anyone know if there's a backlog? haven't been keeping track

drunkmonkey wrote: »

So we test people who aren't sick to find kids who are asymptomatic non spreaders to bring more restrictions on our lives, sounds like a cunning plan.

well if we did a bit of targeted mass school class testing, we then wouldnt have to rely on data from other countrys with bigger classrooms with less kids in them.

If it turns out that many kids here dont have it, or are non infectious but asymtomatic in the vaste majority of cases, all the better, parents would be relieved.


When we had tb here, some kids without symtoms were tested also.


Other tests that I am thinking off are the rapid spit/ saliva antigen test only turn positive if you are in the infectious stage that could be used at home. I hope we get acess to them in Ireland and they will do away with the vaste amount of restrictions.