Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Funsterdelux · 19-09-2020 09:54AM

eagle eye wrote: »

I think it's blatantly obvious that our government are targeting herd immunity.
They won't admit it though because it's not even proven yet if immunity lasts beyond three months.

At this rate it would take the guts of 20-30 years to get up to approx 60% of the population.

With a vaccine it would still be a few years.

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Originally Posted by eagle eye View Post
It's all smoke and mirrors which is typical FF.
Your kids are being used for herd immunity.
We have cases in schools all over the country now. The Cellbridge situation is being kept as quiet as possible due to there being a cluster.
The lockdown is to try prevent 1000 cases per day by October, 3000 per day by early November. They want to do it at a slow rate to prevent hospitals being overrun.

I dont think they are smart enough for such a sinister plan. Though I agree our kids are being used as guinea pigs to some extent. Not knowing the full implications of how this virus may effect people/children even with low or no symptoms.

lawred2 · 19-09-2020 09:56AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Conspiracy theories are far fetched ideas, this isn't.

FF coordinating a covert herd immunity strategy

Ahahaha

Happydays2020 · 19-09-2020 09:56AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Been a good few times and they are taking it so seriously ...if some of those pubs and others , had taken it as seriously we might not be here now .

The problem is that the vast majority did take it very seriously. When things get back, we need a proper enforcement plan for those who did not - the powers are in place, they just need to be organised in doing so. Plus better communication in respect to this.

lawred2 · 19-09-2020 09:58AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Yeah Donnelly said he has pushed for it

A good step forward. Data is good

It is good

But this data was available to nphet, the HSE and the government. It's just being made public now.

Questions will be asked why other parts of the country with similar case numbers are not seeing a level 3 lockdown!?

caveat emptor · 19-09-2020 09:59AM

Contact tracing non existence in crèche.

https://twitter.com/samhold21632854/status/1307041717892325377?s=21

is_that_so · 19-09-2020 10:02AM

lawred2 wrote: »

It is good

But this data was available to nphet, the HSE and the government. It's just being made public now.

Questions will be asked why other parts of the country with similar case numbers are not seeing a level 3 lockdown!?

They have the data but it's not intentionally hidden. It's now there because people asked for it. It was the same back in the early days when journalists were clamouring for all manner of numbers. Holohan asked them what specific data they wanted, more than once.

TonyMaloney · 19-09-2020 10:08AM

Lead story on the Irish times is about how NPHET didn't recommend level 4 restrictions because they were worried the gov would reject it.

We're now looking at a few weeks of this crap not working before they feel they have to recommend level 4 to get in top of things.

This is a complete shambles and it's going to cost all of us

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-public-health-experts-considered-moving-dublin-to-level-4-1.4358843?mode=amp

giveitholly · 19-09-2020 10:11AM

You can't beat stupid,surely there should be repercussions or a fine for idiocy like this

https://twitter.com/FintanYTWalsh/status/1307228718566461440?s=19

Funsterdelux · 19-09-2020 10:15AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is Cork cases mostly from schools as in school kids?

Quite a few of them at the moment. Someone with more time on their hands could fish out the data

Funsterdelux · 19-09-2020 10:19AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Contact tracing non existence in crèche.

https://twitter.com/samhold21632854/status/1307041717892325377?s=21

Looking at that HSE letter about Blarney case last night EiN1aXRWsAA_vjL?format=jpg&name=large

"There have been no close contacts identified in the school"

I dont know the particulars but this seems unlikely

Roger_007 · 19-09-2020 10:21AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Looking at that HSE letter about Blarney case last night

"There have been no close contacts identified in the school"

I dont know the particulars but this seems unlikely

Obviously a very unpopular child?

coastwatch · 19-09-2020 10:21AM

lawred2 wrote: »

It is good

But this data was available to nphet, the HSE and the government. It's just being made public now.

Questions will be asked why other parts of the country with similar case numbers are not seeing a level 3 lockdown!?

According to the IT , NPHET did discuss moving the whole country to level 3 and will re-assess next week,

If infection rates continue to grow significantly, the group may recommend a nationwide move to Level 3 next week, it is understood.

s1ippy · 19-09-2020 10:29AM

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

At last, this is being updated in "real-time", whatever that means.

robbiezero · 19-09-2020 10:34AM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Lead story on the Irish times is about how NPHET didn't recommend level 4 restrictions because they were worried the gov would reject it.

We're now looking at a few weeks of this crap not working before they feel they have to recommend level 4 to get in top of things.

This is a complete shambles and it's going to cost all of us

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-public-health-experts-considered-moving-dublin-to-level-4-1.4358843?mode=amp

Hardly surprising. They don't seem to have a clue where cases are coming from, so their only approach is the sledge hammer.

Charles Babbage · 19-09-2020 10:34AM

giveitholly wrote: »

You can't beat stupid,surely there should be repercussions or a fine for idiocy like this

https://twitter.com/FintanYTWalsh/status/1307228718566461440?s=19

This is shocking, you would expect a bit of loyalty towards your team mates whatever about the general public. Sporting bodies should ban such people for life.

jackboy · 19-09-2020 10:41AM

lawred2 wrote: »

FF coordinating a covert herd immunity strategy

Ahahaha

If our current plan is not herd immunity then what is it?The current plan guarantees lots of Covid in the population with no effort to eliminate it or even keep it really low.

TonyMaloney · 19-09-2020 10:43AM

robbiezero wrote: »

Hardly surprising. They don't seem to have a clue where cases are coming from, so their only approach is the sledge hammer.

The point is NPHET are having to dilute their expert advice to make it more palatable for the ****ing clowns in charge, who've been publicly undermining them for weeks.

And as a result we all have to suffer for longer. We're stuck with harsh but not harsh enough restrictions until the gov get frightened enough to put their faith in the experts again.

TonyMaloney · 19-09-2020 10:45AM

jackboy wrote: »

If our current plan is not herd immunity then what is it?The current plan guarantees lots of Covid in the population with no effort to eliminate it or even keep it really low.

The current plan is to keep the schools open. It's as simple and stupid as that.

eagle eye · 19-09-2020 10:48AM

Funsterdelux wrote:

At this rate it would take the guts of 20-30 years to get up to approx 60% of the population.

With a vaccine it would still be a few years.

Well they can't let it get to a stage where hospitals are overrun.

Funsterdelux wrote:

I dont think they are smart enough for such a sinister plan. Though I agree our kids are being used as guinea pigs to some extent. Not knowing the full implications of how this virus may effect people/children even with low or no symptoms.

There's almost 1 million Irish children in schools. With the amount of them that don't show any symptoms we won't know if any if them have contracted the virus unless they are tested for antibodies inside the next two months.

That's 20% of our population.

If kids bring it home, and I suspect this is the real reason for the jump in home cases, then we'll be up to 65% pretty quickly.

What I'm wondering about is contracting it from an asymptomatic person. I've heard suggestions that you get a milder dose of the virus from an asymptomatic person. I have no proof of that, it's just something being suggested by a few friends in the medical profession. I believe it's being studied at the moment.

Hopefully we have a vaccine by late February or early March. I just don't like that kids are in school right now.

robbiezero · 19-09-2020 10:49AM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

The point is NPHET are having to dilute their expert advice to make it more palatable for the ****ing clowns in charge, who've been publicly undermining them for weeks.

And as a result we all have to suffer for longer. We're stuck with harsh but not harsh enough restrictions until the gov get frightened enough to put their faith in the experts again.

The last time they simply rubber stamped a set of restrictions from NPHET was a cluster **** and while the govt are absolutely a circus I can understand why they are slow to do the same again.

owlbethere · 19-09-2020 10:54AM

giveitholly wrote: »

You can't beat stupid,surely there should be repercussions or a fine for idiocy like this

https://twitter.com/FintanYTWalsh/status/1307228718566461440?s=19

There's nothing to deter people from behaving wrecklessly and behaving in such a manner. I would be in favour of the government introducing some large penalties for anyone caught doing similar. Like for anyone waiting in test results and not restricting their movements. For people who have a positive result and they don't isolate themselves according to the guidelines. For anyone encouraging large indoor gatherings and crowds and parties etc. Like a €2000 or €2500 or €3000 euro fines for people. If you're following the guidelines and a lot of people are - you have nothing to worry about with the potential of a fine. If you're behaving like a selfish dick, making up your own rules to suit yourself, good luck.

Roger_007 · 19-09-2020 10:54AM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

The point is NPHET are having to dilute their expert advice to make it more palatable for the ****ing clowns in charge, who've been publicly undermining them for weeks.

And as a result we all have to suffer for longer. We're stuck with harsh but not harsh enough restrictions until the gov get frightened enough to put their faith in the experts again.

What you seem to be overlooking is that the alleged experts are not very expert abou this virus. Whenever any of them are asked questions about transmission, incubation, Immunity, reinfection, or anything else they invariably answer with maybe, could be, possibly could be. They have absolutely no idea how the disease is moving around the country citing “community transmission” as an excuse for not bothering their ar$ses to investigate how it’s being transmitted.
In, short we are being advised by a bunch of chancers purporting to be experts.

Happydays2020 · 19-09-2020 10:57AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

What you seem to be overlooking is that the alleged experts are not very expert abou this virus. Whenever any of them are asked questions about transmission, incubation, Immunity, reinfection, or anything else they invariably answer with maybe, could be, possibly could be. They have absolutely no idea how the disease is moving around the country citing “community transmission” as an excuse for not bothering their ar$ses to investigate how it’s being transmitted.
In, short we are being advised by a bunch of chancers purporting to be experts.

This.

We need NPHET to be disbanded and instead get advisors for the ECDC to formulate the advice to government. A common EU approach will harness the next experts rather than a misfire of administrators and others.

GooglePlus · 19-09-2020 11:10AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well they can't let it get to a stage where hospitals are overrun.

There's almost 1 million Irish children in schools. With the amount of them that don't show any symptoms we won't know if any if them have contracted the virus unless they are tested for antibodies inside the next two months.

That's 20% of our population.

If kids bring it home, and I suspect this is the real reason for the jump in home cases, then we'll be up to 65% pretty quickly.

What I'm wondering about is contracting it from an asymptomatic person. I've heard suggestions that you get a milder dose of the virus from an asymptomatic person. I have no proof of that, it's just something being suggested by a few friends in the medical profession. I believe it's being studied at the moment.

Hopefully we have a vaccine by late February or early March. I just don't like that kids are in school right now.

You seem to be married to the government looking for herd immunity idea but where do you think these discussions about these plans are being had? In the secret bunker under Leinster House or Micheál Martin's ultramodern cave?

This government can't hold their piss so if this was the case, it would have been leaked long ago. Our government is transparent so something like herd immunity plans would never be kept under wraps.

Funsterdelux · 19-09-2020 11:24AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well they can't let it get to a stage where hospitals are overrun.

There's almost 1 million Irish children in schools. With the amount of them that don't show any symptoms we won't know if any if them have contracted the virus unless they are tested for antibodies inside the next two months.

That's 20% of our population.

If kids bring it home, and I suspect this is the real reason for the jump in home cases, then we'll be up to 65% pretty quickly.

What I'm wondering about is contracting it from an asymptomatic person. I've heard suggestions that you get a milder dose of the virus from an asymptomatic person. I have no proof of that, it's just something being suggested by a few friends in the medical profession. I believe it's being studied at the moment.

Hopefully we have a vaccine by late February or early March. I just don't like that kids are in school right now.

Personally I would have written off this year completely or just continue distance/online learning past the winter 20/21.

But that would never happen in our 'civilised world"

Kh1993 · 19-09-2020 11:26AM

Interesting morning in Dublin. The anger is widespread. People out supporting businesses that have been decimated on short notice once again.

There’s certainly not a fear that you’d think there is from reading Boards, Twitter and FB. There’s no going back to the stay at home watching Netflix.

There’s a fish supplier (SSI) who had 30k worth of fresh stock for restaurants. They’ve decided to sell their stuff at outdoor markets as they’ve been left high and dry. I’ve never seen bigger queues for a shop or market, even during lockdown.

Sierra Oscar · 19-09-2020 11:28AM

Kh1993 wrote: »

Interesting morning in Dublin. The anger is widespread. People out supporting businesses that have been decimated on short notice once again.

There’s certainly not a fear that you’d think there is from reading Boards, Twitter and FB. There’s no going back to the stay at home watching Netflix.

There’s a fish supplier (SSI) who had 30k worth of fresh stock for restaurants. They’ve decided to sell their stuff at outdoor markets as they’ve been left high and dry. I’ve never seen bigger queues for a shop or market, even during lockdown.

No one is requesting that people go home and lock themselves in their houses for three weeks watching Netflix.

People aren't restricted from being out and about. There is life beyond pubs.

19-09-2020 11:31AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Looking at that HSE letter about Blarney case last night

"There have been no close contacts identified in the school"

I dont know the particulars but this seems unlikely

If they were in school last Friday, off Saturday Sunday, symptoms Monday so kept home, got tested Tuesday / Wednesday and results Thursday, it’s entirely plausible that there were no close contacts

KrustyUCC · 19-09-2020 11:32AM

coastwatch wrote: »

According to the IT , NPHET did discuss moving the whole country to level 3 and will re-assess next week,

If infection rates continue to grow significantly, the group may recommend a nationwide move to Level 3 next week, it is understood.

NPHET have lost the plot

There is no justification for level three everywhere in Ireland

prunudo · 19-09-2020 11:36AM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

No one is requesting that people go home and lock themselves in their houses for three weeks watching Netflix.

People aren't restricted from being out and about. There is life beyond pubs.

Actually they are, they can't leave the county, people can't go to their county, they can't go to cafes, they can't go to restaurants.
I wish people would stop assuming that its only pubs that are effected by these restrictions.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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